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Came here for the bitchy anti-Cook/anti-Schiller/anti-Apple comments. More salty than a force nine storm at sea. You guys should def. bitch more in every single article.

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He's right.

Nothing comes even remotely close to matching the iPhone experience.

Of course you'd say the same thing if Apple released a Pet Rock.
 
And by my anecdotal presumption, the future of smart phones can't be comparably noted unless something Can be widely as as available to the masses. It's only available in China thus far from my understanding, so it's the future of smart phones by China. That's a nice thought, but carries false modesty.

You're too focused on trying to knock Xiaomi.

When a magazine says something like Xiaomi's bezel-less display "is the future", they don't mean from just one brand.
 
Honestly, I'd like to see what would happen if Forestall was brought back and put in charge of the company.

I don't think you could replace Cook with some total outsider - it would have to be someone on the inside, but I am at a loss for who you could put in charge from the current crop of execs and bring that excitement back like there was 6-8 years ago.
 
You're too focused on trying to knock Xiaomi.

When a magazine says something like Xiaomi's bezel-less display "is the future", they don't mean from just one brand.

So, have you tested Xiaomi phones? Used the phone continuously and or can contribute to the hardware and over all experience? Curious to know your thoughts on this.
 
I use android for my job, and it still sort of sucks. I'm really not sure what it is, but Android really still feels like it's not totally together.
 
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10th annivisory of iPhone. This meens Steve Jobs was alive - for me, that's more feeling than any technology thing.
 
If your going to compare the iPhone against a smartphone, then it is just that, otherwise why would you do the comparison?

You don't have to be explicit. The comparison was implied that the iPhone was a smartphone.

Because back then, the iPhone was not marketed as a smartphone, but as a phone that was revolutionary on what it does vs what others (who call themselves smart) do.

In all honesty, the 1st Gen iPhone is a feature phone as that's how it was marketed. Just look at the ads from back then. All about the simple and easiness of using an iPhone. Can you recall a phone that did all that in a quick and simple manner?
 
When you put em together it becomes clear how little they have changed and how well they milked the product. Next iPhone is supposed to be the best one yet but I bet all the ideas will be from Samsung and others that has been around for years but hey let's keep giving them a pass for not innovating.
 
Because back then, the iPhone was not marketed as a smartphone, but as a phone that was revolutionary on what it does vs what others (who call themselves smart) do.

In all honesty, the 1st Gen iPhone is a feature phone as that's how it was marketed. Just look at the ads from back then. All about the simple and easiness of using an iPhone. Can you recall a phone that did all that in a quick and simple manner?

Other smartphones had GPS that could actually do turn by turn, install applications, support 3G, good quality cameras ( for the time ) etc etc.

Only thing iPhone could do well was a nice interface. Other aspects were pretty hohum.
 
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Phill Schiller.. what a complete k**b!
Wasn't 'groundbreaking' at the time and is certainly not 'unmatched' today, bless him and his pathetic sales promotion talk..

Go back and 'innovate' another new Mac Pro.

You don't think the original iPhone broke ANY new ground? Not a single innovative feature?

"Unmatched" is hyperbole, but you do realize he works for Apple, right? And some things about the iPhone still *are* unmatched- integration of hardware and software which among other things, allows for some of the best performance and quick updates. And Apple's SoC's *are* unmatched overall, year after year.

Come on, Apple whine is one thing, but you're being ridiculous.
 
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Just a heads up Phil, the iPhone display has been matched and beaten - in both overall quality and resolution - by the many manufacturers using OLED.

You might want to have a read of this review of the iPhone 7 display.
http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone7_ShootOut_1.htm

I'm not saying that OLED isn't the way of the future but there have been a lot of terrible OLED displays in recent years and it's only recently that they've finally been reaching the quality levels of the best LCD displays. The iPhone 7 can still hold its own perfectly well against the best OLED displays in most ways and I wouldn't be surprised if we see another iPhone or two with LCD displays before OLED takes over.
 
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It is absolute nonsense to describe the iPhone as 'earth-shattering'. It was a significant step forward in the art, but it was only an evolutionary step. Palm/Treo had been offering smart phones for a number of years before the iPhone emerged, and had a significant third-party developer base offering a wide-range of applications (including satnav).
I've been rockin' Palm OS devices since 2000. I stopped buying new ones around 2010 or so, but still lugging around a Palm Tungsten T3! :eek:

Before the Treo, non-cellular Palm OS devices were in full force, competing with Pocket PC/Windows CE/Windows Mobile(not to be confused with Windows Phone we have today). No cell connection, and wifi wasn't prominent in those days, so the main way to get apps on your Palm OS device was to download them from your desktop PC, and Hotsync them over. I remember more than one person who bought a Palm OS device or got one as a gift wanted apps, so they went out and bought a desktop PC and got an internet connection as an accessory for their PDA!
 
You might want to have a read of this review of the iPhone 7 display.
http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone7_ShootOut_1.htm

I'm not saying that OLED isn't the way of the future but there have been a lot of terrible OLED displays in recent years and it's only recently that they've finally been reaching the quality levels of the best LCD displays. The iPhone 7 can still hold its own perfectly well against the best OLED displays in most ways and I wouldn't be surprised if we see another iPhone or two with LCD displays before OLED takes over.

I don't disgree, but OLED has for the most part surpassed LCD in most aspects (For good quality panels). Display Mate said that the display in the iPhone is the best LCD Display. And were very specific to include that terminology.

Currently "BEST" display went to an AMOLED Samsung panel.

But I do agree. having both devices in front of you, you're really going to be hard pressed to find anything terribly wrong with the iPhone display. if the BEST amoled is rated at 98%(arbitrary number for comparitive purposes), the iPhone's LCD is a 97.5%. Splitting a lot of hairs overall. But its really only the last 2 years that AMOLED has caught up in this regard. prior to the S6, AMOLED did have significant drawbacks. While some of them are still around, they've been made much better. Burn in really isn't an issue in day to day usage anymore (yes, we've all seen the store display models with burn in, thats not normal usage). and yes, in 10 years time the display is possibly going to be dimmer (But smart phones are meant to be replacable after 2-5 years).

in day to day operation, most users aren't going to notice the difference, or frankly give a rats ass.
 
sure, iphone is awesome, Just the ios sucks, homekit sucks,macosx sucks, icloud sucks.
 
I will probably move away from the iPhone after my SE gives up the ghost. There are better value and options now and with my withdrawal of away from expensive and obsolete Macs continue I see no need to stay in the ecosystem at this point.
The problem I have with comments like this is that I wonder why 'better value' is important.

If I go out to buy to buy shirt or a shoes, I buy the ones that I like and nothing else. If there are shoes that are half the price but look a bit more weird, the rational man would say that those shoes are far better value. But in the end, I only want the shoes I really like, and if they cost twice as much, I'll buy those.

That's kinda how I feel about the iPhone. I could probably live my life quite happily owning a Galaxy or Huawei, but for me that's not an option. I just like the iPhone better and I don't see why I should leave it for something else. Even if that something else is cheaper that doesn't really matter to me, I use my phone daily, and for more than 2 years, from that perspectve a few hundred dollars in two years isn't that much. I simply like the iPhone better, it's my digital life, I'd gladly pay a little extra to have my digital version of me to be something I truly like.
 
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You don't think the original iPhone broke ANY new ground? Not a single innovative feature?

"Unmatched" is hyperbole, but you do realize he works for Apple, right? And some things about the iPhone still *are* unmatched- integration of hardware and software which among other things, allows for some of the best performance and quick updates. And Apple's SoC's *are* unmatched overall, year after year.

Come on, Apple whine is one thing, but you're being ridiculous.

Nope. Considering what was on the market the ONLY THING Apple did differently was use glass instead of plastic for the screen. I live in he UK, we had video calling for I think 2 years when the iPhone turned up and if I remember didn't even support 3G yet it cost more then other phones.

As for hardware integration? Your joking right? Apples in your face upgrade now or else policy every single time you unlock your iOS device, unless you search the Internet for workarounds.. but many don't and will give in and have a decide that's now much slower thanks to Apples built in destiny clocks with its iOS updates.

Google manages very well to integrate hardware and software just as well as Apple. SOC performance is only in paper, if Apple didn't deliberately slow down the iOS interface I'm sure they would actually feel fast, I've seen a full rest where the 6S was faster then the 7.

Yeah, I own an iPhone, have had several of them, but I don't hold the thing as Lord almighty in mobile phone land because they are most certainly not! And I would NEVER buy into anything some overpayed jumped up idiot Apple exec claims.
 
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Schiller is not thinking big enough. These are not revolutionary changes, these are refinements and hardware upgrades.

The App store was what revolutionzed the smart phone market.

Here are examples of what future revolutionary changes could look like:

- Wireless charging in your pocket and the iPhone acting wireless power supply to other wearables, such as glasses, watches, airpods, rings, tiles, shoes etc, when you are on the move.

- Be able to unfold the iPhone so you get a screen as large as an A4 paper.

- A Siri that you can have an actual conversation with, similar to a human

- Brain interface. no need to use you hands, just think and it will appear on the screen


You forgot anti-gravity boots and instantaneous teleportation to the centre of the galaxy.
 
Other smartphones had GPS that could actually do turn by turn, install applications, support 3G, good quality cameras ( for the time ) etc etc.

Only thing iPhone could do well was a nice interface. Other aspects were pretty hohum.
Pinch to zoom was big, as was an actual web browser on a phone.
 
Apple really needs to tone down the hyperbole. The more I hear Schiller, the less I take him seriously. Mind you, I haven't cared for the guy's public persona for a long time now....

Well, Schiller is the head marketing guy; so I expect much of what he says to be hyperbole. Show me a marketing guy who doesn't engage in hyperbole about the product or service they represent to some degree and I'll show you a marketing guy who's out of a job.

That's part of the reason I can't stand marketing -- though it is a necessary evil. As a support guy myself, I've spent years cleaning up messes caused by over-hyped expectations that were created by bad sales and marketing people.
 
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These guys have been drinking their own Kool-aide for too long.

"Personally, I still think the best intelligent assistant is the one that’s with you all the time." Right, unless that happens to be Siri, who can't consistently do 90% of the things she ought to be able to consistently do.
 
I started out with that very first iPhone all those years ago and it was the most amazing phone I used up to that point having owned cellphones since 1993.
I bought every single phone every year up until the iPhone 5. I bought my first Android phone that year because I felt that the iPhone was starting to get a bit stale. I used to defend the iPhone like it was my first born back then but the magic that once was, hasn't been there in a few years at least.

I also skipped the 6 and bought a 6S and 6S+. I also bought a Note Edge and a Note 4 that year.

Now I have skipped the 7 because I bought the Note 5 and S7 Edge. I feel that the OS on Android has just become so polished and amazing and it does everything I need it to do. It is solid. My Android phones never reboot like my iPhone do occasionally and I never apps crash. One of my three S7 Edge phones (I have four T-Mobile lines) is running the Nougat beta and the OS has only seemed to get better, so very close to perfection.

I can easily see myself never buying another iPhone again. I used to worry about the ecosystem that you hear people talk about so much but that is not a concern at all and probably never was in the first place. I still use iTunes to buy music and videos on. If I want to put music from iTunes onto my Android phone, I just plug the SD card into my Mac, copy the music over and plug the card back into my phone. I don't need iTunes or any syncing app for that.

My next phones will be a Samsung S8 and the next Note version. The iPhone is seriously so close to being in my rearview mirror.
 
All of this is unsurprising for what C level staff must say. There are many good things about iPhone but to say it is unmatched is silly.

Phil Schiller is the biggest bag of hot air (not counting president tweets-a-lot). Everything he says is some absurd mish-mash of corporate double-speak and wanna-be 'disruptor' tech bro:

- Unmatched
- Courage
- Can't innovate my a$$
- It's about making the best Mac we know how
- Customers have come to understand that Apple's products aren't priced high - they're priced on the value of what we build into them.
- It's a little counterintuitive to people, that doing what people don't expect ends up being what people do expect.
- If you want a product that's thicker with a bigger battery, it's also heavier, more costly, takes longer to charge.
 
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