Class action lawsuit for mental distress caused by how much of this drama we have to read about?
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Phil Schiller, Scott Forstall May Testify in Apple v. Samsung Damages Retrial
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Not to mention - I think it's in bad taste to reference that he was a "cancer" to Apple. Not only is that hyperbole - but given Jobs' demise - it's just in poor taste.
And I'm usually not one to comment on such matters and I don't think Jobs needs to be canonized at every turn.
But this post you are referring to is just so off the chart wrong
Why the hate towards Scott Forstall? I don't get it.
He was engaging during his presentations, and oversaw the development of one of the greatest innovations in smartphones: iOS. Up until the release of iOS 7, we (well, a lot of us I dare say) have been enjoying his work. Many still do (green felt aside)
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Personally, I still wish he was at Apple, overseeing iOS. I do not like what Ive's done with it (his work with hardware is another story). I feel Scott went out trying to make iOS better (Maps-gate)
A man of Jobs's vision and ability saw value in Forstall's skills. That says something.
So really, why the hate? Is it personal?
He was engaging during his presentations, and oversaw the development of one of the greatest innovations in smartphones: iOS. Up until the release of iOS 7, we (well, a lot of us I dare say) have been enjoying his work. Many still do (green felt aside)
.Personally, I still wish he was at Apple, overseeing iOS. I do not like what Ive's done with it (his work with hardware is another story). I feel Scott went out trying to make iOS better (Maps-gate)
A man of Jobs's vision and ability saw value in Forstall's skills. That says something.
So really, why the hate? Is it personal?
http://www.mactrast.com/2013/10/ios-7-dominates-competition-user-experience-study/
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Poor Windows 8.
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So Steve made a mistake by not making Scott Forstall CEO? Had he done that Mansfield, Ive and possibly others might have left. Without Mansfield Apple probably wouldn't have a 64 bit mobile chip right now. I don't think it's a coincidence he decided to stay on at Apple after Forstall was given the boot. Read Cook's Businesweek interview from last December. Clearly he thinks keeping guys like Mansfield and Ive is more important than the loss of Forstall. But hey, maybe he's completely wrong. And maybe Steve made the biggest mistake in Apple's history handing over the reigns to Cook and not Forstall. I guess time will tell.
Now that would've been interesting. I would have loved to see what would've happened to Apple if Forstall was in charge, even with Ive and everyone else leaving. Would we have seen radical changes in hardware? More choices? I think there are people waiting in line to take Apple to the next level. The positions would've been filled quickly perhaps.
I wonder if Forstall would've been more daring. Have better taste. Who knows?
I do know this: I don't like iOS 7. Not even a little. This is the first major "post-Jobs, post-management-shakeup" Apple product, and for the first time in 12 years, I don't like Apple's direction (well, the elimination of the 17in MBP was my first).
I was waiting to see what Apple would do "post-Jobs"; I was afraid of this. In my (very personal) view, strike one Apple.
The Mac Pro is next, and its detractors are already pretty vocal (Personally, I like it, but I don't need one). For some, that's strike two.
You are right, time will tell.
Why the hate towards Scott Forstall? I don't get it.
He was engaging during his presentations, and oversaw the development of one of the greatest innovations in smartphones: iOS. Up until the release of iOS 7, we (well, a lot of us I dare say) have been enjoying his work. Many still do (green felt aside)
Personally, I still wish he was at Apple, overseeing iOS. I do not like what Ive's done with it (his work with hardware is another story). I feel Scott went out trying to make iOS better (Maps-gate)
A man of Jobs's vision and ability saw value in Forstall's skills. That says something.
So really, why the hate? Is it personal?
And a man of Jobs's vision and ability didn't make Forstall the next CEO of Apple. In fact, he gave Jonathan Ive more operational power than anyone at Apple other than himself. He didn't do that for Forstall.
And what do you not like about iOS 7? I personally find a lot of things to like about it:
- The UI looks a lot cleaner. Having used iOS 7 for a little while now, the gloss of iOS 6 looks tacky to me.
- Safari is better. Again, the UI is more simplistic and the left/right swipe gestures are very useful.
- The notification center is a lot more useful. The first thing it tells you is the today's weather. It also you calendar events. At the bottom, you can see if you have any alarms set.
- And many people have criticized the color schemes of iOS 7 but they're pretty similar to what iOS 6 and previous versions had. It's just that the tones are much more solid now that iOS 7 is devoid of the gloss that was in previous versions.
Those who are good in Systems Software are not good in developing Application Software. It was a big mistake for Forstall to lead Apple Maps product.
My theory Jobs wanted Forstall to just play around with Maps as a special project and never plan release it. Cook probably never got that memo. When other developers are making Billions on apps using iOS eco system, Cook couldn't resist and got burnt with Maps release.
Best would have been to hire a leader who is good at Apps.
Actually that is the point. What he did at Apple work wise was nothing short of amazing. But as a person he was arrogant and no one else at Apple wanted to be in the same room as him.
You brought the Jobs cancer reference. I didn't and I said it without any reference to Jobs. I didn't think of that when I said what I said. You are the one making the reference here. So I stand by what I said as it's not related to jobs at all.
Someone was a cancer and someone had cancer are two very different things. Unrelated and I didn't bring up any notion of a relation there because it was not needed, and it would be wrong.
Also there is this:
You remember how Jobs died. I remember how Jobs lived.
Jobs had cancer? Not important.
Jobs lived an amazing life and did so much to improve so many lives around the world? That is what is important.
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Knowing how the US court system is these days, we'd probably have a good chance of winning.
If the trial is just to determine the damages amount because the infringement has not changed, why they have to declare?
Your post speaks for itself. And that's quite a bit of redundancy above which comes off as defensive (at least to me).
Ultimately - I don't really care. I just think your initial post indicates someone who has some over the top visceral reaction to a picture on a website.
And please don't try and tell me what I remember or what I don't about Jobs. You don't know a thing about me.
I'm not telling you what you do or do not remember. My post is saying your attitude is all wrong. You are focusing on someone's death when you should be focusing on their life instead.
Also I said how my post was written and what my meaning behind it was. It had nothing to do with Jobs. Others made that connection, not me. You are free to take that however you wish.
You say: "Ultimately - I don't really care." If that was the case you'd not bother to reply. You cared enough to reply.
And I think we all have proved you can't say the word cancer on these forums without people crying "but Jobs died of cancer". Move on people. Not everything with the word cancer in it is a stab at jobs.
I think that Jony is a sexy guy...but I haven't once noticed his chest hair.
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I've spoken to dozens of real world users of ios 7 and not one of them has complained about the ui. Crashes yes, angst over typography and colors...nope...not so much.
Somebody's got a crush. I also think that Scott might soon have a stalker. Creepy, dude!
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Now that REALLY would make Apple a religion!
Not need for the insults. Is is it so hard to accept that not everyone likes iOS7 as much as you do?
I like certain features of iOS 7, but i think iOS 6 was better designed. Certainly don't like the icons. I think it does take after Android / Windows phone too much.
Don't insult me dude. Don't insult me just because I recognize that thanks to Scott we are using OSX on the iPhone. Tony wanted to have Linux on our iPhones and with that you would have to say good bey to the app store.
Regarding Scott Forstall I think it's easy to find reasons to pick on him given the circumstances made public pertaining to his departure. However in reading his history clearly he is really smart and apparently was a strong contributor at Apple for a long time.
Unfortunately as one progresses upward through any competitive organization, organizational politics often blunts one's ability to leverage their talents, unless the politics happens to work in their favor. Numerous times in my career I had seen this sort of thing play-out for very talented engineering types promoted into senior management positions where the politics eventually went against them enough to push them out.
Unfortunately as one progresses upward through any competitive organization, organizational politics often blunts one's ability to leverage their talents, unless the politics happens to work in their favor. Numerous times in my career I had seen this sort of thing play-out for very talented engineering types promoted into senior management positions where the politics eventually went against them enough to push them out.
Maps and Siri both have exposed Apple more to public criticism, bashing and jokes than anything else in regards to the iPhone and iOS. Justified or not...
I don't believe in the "Steve would/n't have"-stuff, but what I do think is that Steve Jobs passed away at a time where the market has been changing dramatically. Nobody knows how he would have adjusted to the competition by lower cost phones with alternative systems, so really we can only go by what Apple delivered - and in the case of Maps and Siri it was pretty controversial quality. Maps is only 2-3 years behind covering the town I live in, a few new malls are shown as green land (and the street names aren't shown/known), our nice landscaped interlocking brick back yard still shows the plain green lawn from 4 years ago when using the satellite view. But then, we're only Canada, they are still working on giving us the radio
. And Siri, I like it, I use it all the time for alarms, timers and stuff, even with my weird accent it's fine, it has improved big time. I wonder if she does miss Scott.
You really think the big dogs at Apple just one day woke up and gave him the finger and said "Nice knowing you, you suck."?
Companies have to move on sometimes and sometimes you have to let someone goes, especially people who aren't onboard with what is happening. Unless I am just missing some report that states he was let go in a very wrong way, I would be willing to bet a large sum of money that Apple just didn't give him the finger and he was gone.
This wasn't just some random software guys. He wasn't just some random lead programmer/software designer. The guy was inside Steve Jobs very limited and exclusive "circle of trust." I'm sure he was let go and "phased out" in a respectful type manner.
Both Apple and Samsung have to drag out the same expert witnesses (or replacements, in the case of at least one witness who has since died) to persuade the jury about how much each infringement is worth.
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To recap, the reason why some damage amounts are being retried, is because later calculations clearly showed (right down to the dollar) that the jury had relied on suggested award numbers from a particular Apple witness.
The problem was, that particular Apple witness had used an illegal method (*) of calculation, and so the jury had been instructed to ignore his method. It was obvious that the jury and its foreman didn't pay any attention at all to this instruction.
Another part of the new trial will be over damages incurred for any sales since the last trial. These were impossible to calculate because of the last jury's mistakes.
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(*) Utility patent awards are a reasonable royalty rate, and sometimes lost profits. Instead, he had included Samsung's profits in his utility patent calculations, an award method that only applies for design patents and trade dress, and which greatly inflated some amounts.