Steve is no longer at the helm because he is dead. I doubt he would have been discharged. As to his personal traits I do not know the man.
He got results. Corporations like that.
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Phil Schiller, Scott Forstall May Testify in Apple v. Samsung Damages Retrial
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Steve is no longer at the helm because he is dead. I doubt he would have been discharged. As to his personal traits I do not know the man.
He got results. Corporations like that.
No way. I hate what Ive has done to ios. He hasn't even changed it that much and yet he's made it a less intuitive, uglier and more boring. Some skumorphism done the right ways is useful and entertaining.
I love Ive on the hardware side but his not a software/GUI guy.
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I love how Samsung copies everything and apple doesn't copy anything from anyone ever. Apple wasn't the first smart phone. You could easily say they copied elements from palm and blackberry. How does one make the same type of product without using some similar elements is beyond me.
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Scott: "Your honor, I don't know what you are talking about??" "Apple, what Apple? Samsung owes Apple 1 Billion bucks?? That's just plain, flat, crazy like whacky colors, and light, thin fonts on white, and wait a minute! Isn't that Android?? Has Apple paid Samsung AND GOOGLE for that?!!"
Seriously, though apple figured out how to copy Android/Samsung but make it ugly. WTG!!
If Steve was such a brilliant genius and CEO, why are people questioning his choice of CEO?
And why did Maps have so many problems when it was released if Forstall is such a perfectionist?
We'll never know the whole story but rumor has it that he was too fixated on the notion of what Steve Jobs would have done, something which Jobs himself told Tim Cook to never think about.
I really hope Scott come some day back to Apple:
- he is truly the father of iOS
- he made the most consumer used Unix ever
- he really knew how to program
- he was on Apple hand picked by Steve Jobs, from the OSX era until iOS. The golden era of Apple in the 2nd coming of Steve
People who hate Scott hates him based on rumors and, I'm sad to say, rumors approved by current Apple exec team.
I hope he is well and enjoying live.
Come back Scott, come back ...
- he is truly the father of iOS
- he made the most consumer used Unix ever
- he really knew how to program
- he was on Apple hand picked by Steve Jobs, from the OSX era until iOS. The golden era of Apple in the 2nd coming of Steve
People who hate Scott hates him based on rumors and, I'm sad to say, rumors approved by current Apple exec team.
I hope he is well and enjoying live.
Come back Scott, come back ...
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Don't worry you can always keep running iOS 6.
Have fun with your leather stitching
At least the leather stitching works. iOS 7 is a mess.
Don't worry you can always keep running iOS 6.
Have fun with your leather stitching
I'd love to go back that's why I said what I said.
http://www.mactrast.com/2013/10/ios-7-dominates-competition-user-experience-study/
Poor Windows 8.
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So Steve made a mistake by not making Scott Forstall CEO? Had he done that Mansfield, Ive and possibly others might have left. Without Mansfield Apple probably wouldn't have a 64 bit mobile chip right now. I don't think it's a coincidence he decided to stay on at Apple after Forstall was given the boot. Read Cook's Businesweek interview from last December. Clearly he thinks keeping guys like Mansfield and Ive is more important than the loss of Forstall. But hey, maybe he's completely wrong. And maybe Steve made the biggest mistake in Apple's history handing over the reigns to Cook and not Forstall. I guess time will tell.
Poor Windows 8.
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So Steve made a mistake by not making Scott Forstall CEO? Had he done that Mansfield, Ive and possibly others might have left. Without Mansfield Apple probably wouldn't have a 64 bit mobile chip right now. I don't think it's a coincidence he decided to stay on at Apple after Forstall was given the boot. Read Cook's Businesweek interview from last December. Clearly he thinks keeping guys like Mansfield and Ive is more important than the loss of Forstall. But hey, maybe he's completely wrong. And maybe Steve made the biggest mistake in Apple's history handing over the reigns to Cook and not Forstall. I guess time will tell.
I think when it came to his perfectionist side, Steve saw eye-to-eye with Scott, but it takes more than that, to successfully run a company so he picked Tim, an excellent negotiator and a man with a proven track record on the supply-side of things --two qualities where Scott might have been lacking-- to take on the helm, in the knowledge that Jony was still there to look after the aesthetics part of the business.
Even perfectionists fail sometimes. Maps was on the shoulders of Scott, and I believe that it is there, where he sealed his fate at Apple. He should have manned-up, and publicly apologized for Maps' many shortcomings, rather than let Tim do his 'dirty work'.
If he had swallowed his pride, and publicly apologized for the MAPS disappointment, TC would have not been in such a hurry to purge him from the team. SCOTT could have taken a cue from BOB MANSFIELD, who publicly acknowledged that withdrawing from EPEAT was a mistake. http://www.apple.com/environment/letter-to-customers/ Letting the CEO do the 'dirty' work, is never a good thing.
As far as your third observation is concerned, it is indeed ironic that in spite of Steve's wishes to not be concerned with thinking what he might have done in a particular situation, that is exactly what even now, two years later, still crops up with regularity, here, and on other rumor sites and tech blogs.
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R.I.P Steve, Thanks for your many contributions!I think when it came to his perfectionist side, Steve saw eye-to-eye with Scott, but it takes more than that, to successfully run a company so he picked Tim, an excellent negotiator and a man with a proven track record on the supply-side of things --two qualities where Scott might have been lacking-- to take on the helm, in the knowledge that Jony was still there to look after the aesthetics part of the business.
Even perfectionists fail sometimes. Maps was on the shoulders of Scott, and I believe that it is there, where he sealed his fate at Apple. He should have manned-up, and publicly apologized for Maps' many shortcomings, rather than let Tim do his 'dirty work'.
If he had swallowed his pride, and publicly apologized for the MAPS disappointment, TC would have not been in such a hurry to purge him from the team. SCOTT could have taken a cue from BOB MANSFIELD, who publicly acknowledged that withdrawing from EPEAT was a mistake. http://www.apple.com/environment/letter-to-customers/ Letting the CEO do the 'dirty' work, is never a good thing.
As far as your third observation is concerned, it is indeed ironic that in spite of Steve's wishes to not be concerned with thinking what he might have done in a particular situation, that is exactly what even now, two years later, still crops up with regularity, here, and on other rumor sites and tech blogs.
10/05/2011-10/05/2013
I agree to a point - but ultimately - the buck stops at the CEO - the CEO is the face of the company first. I see no problem with Tim making the apologies.
I also don't think it's "fair" to put all the blame on Scott re: Maps. Ultimately, again - it was Tim's decision to release Maps.
Apple and technology in general is not infallible. There will always be bumps along the way.
If I get a $100 million, please fire me anytime you want. I'll even help at the Apple vs. Samsung trial.
**** you who are against Forstall. You're nothing but fanboys that think Apple can do no wrong. Tim, Craig and Ive completely ruined iOS, and are going in a bad direction. Forstall worked his ass off to change the mobile industry, to put the internet in your pocket and you criticize him over maps and his actually good UI design? Tim is the CEO (unfortunately) and he is the one that wanted maps shipped. And you blame Forstall? You think maps was was bad software shipped? Take a look at iOS 7. Forstall, I hope you testify against Apple and when they fail I hope you're back on top there.
former apple fan with an iPhone 5 with iOS 6
former apple fan with an iPhone 5 with iOS 6
Like Jobs was... in trying to avert the prophecy foretold, they fulfill it.
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No. A lot of people think that iOS 7 would have looked a lot better if Scott was still on the team.
Skeuomorphism is okay when it's used tastefully. Scott just got a little too carried away with it. He presided over Leopard interface design, and I remember that most people hated Tiger's inconsistent interface themes before Leopard was released. He went back to the studio with his tail between his legs and gave us a unified window theme in time for Leopard.
I bet he would have done the same with iOS 7 if he was allowed to.
Jony killed it. He should stick with hardware.
I agree. If flat were great we'd all be using windows mobile, heck even windows 8.
iOS 7 is too bright like a box of melted crayons fell on the iPhone. Colors, fonts and icons are it's not easy on the eyes. The parallax effect tires the eyes - there are even reports of users getting I'll because of it.
The UI is inconsistent/inefficient, for example too much space in some areas (grouped apps, etc...). Some areas aren't clearly defined/distinguishable and blend into each other. Buttons for example are text with a right or left chevron < > which blend into the content.
I hate the blurs used all over for overlaid HUDs.
I could go on, but to summarize just sloppy rushed work.
iOS 6 has character with attention to detail iOS 7 is just dull (regardless of the overuse of color)
iOS 7 is too bright like a box of melted crayons fell on the iPhone. Colors, fonts and icons are it's not easy on the eyes. The parallax effect tires the eyes - there are even reports of users getting I'll because of it.
The UI is inconsistent/inefficient, for example too much space in some areas (grouped apps, etc...). Some areas aren't clearly defined/distinguishable and blend into each other. Buttons for example are text with a right or left chevron < > which blend into the content.
I hate the blurs used all over for overlaid HUDs.
I could go on, but to summarize just sloppy rushed work.
iOS 6 has character with attention to detail iOS 7 is just dull (regardless of the overuse of color)
This is pretty much how I feel about it as well.
I was never a bigger Scott Forstall fan than after seeing what iOS has turned into without him. I revile iOS 7.
Jony Ive is great with hardware design, but I think iOS 7 shows beyond the shadow of a doubt that he is NOT a software/UI guy.
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Agreed. This whole focus on "content" like it's some holy grail is absurd. The point of a UI is to help you manipulate, use, and compose your content. Phones and electronics are not picture frames; I want to USE it, not view "content." I don't care about "elevating" content, I care about getting stuff done with my content. If I'm viewing an email, I want to get in there, reply, add an attachment, and send it off quickly as possible, not stare at the edge-to-edge photos with a hard-on.
Scott Forstall. The man that won't just piss off and leave Apple alone. He did good initially but he slowly became a cancer on Apple and was rightfully booted. I never want to see his face around anything Apple again.
Just seeing his face on the MR front page makes me feel sick. I know that's the point of MR, to write articles that bring about emotions in their readers. But I really think this kind of emotion is bad for the website.
Just seeing his face on the MR front page makes me feel sick. I know that's the point of MR, to write articles that bring about emotions in their readers. But I really think this kind of emotion is bad for the website.
With all due respect, you don't need "litigation" to see how Samsung ripped off Apple. They even went as far as carbon-copying cables/adaptors and even packaging.
If you genuinely feel ill when seeing Forstall's photo, I pity you. He didn't commit genocide. He's probably a good person.
I don't usually say this, but I think your health may be better off less focused on Apple.