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Phil Schiller Talks 16 GB iPhones and Thinness vs Battery Life Tradeoffs
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Apps ... the problem is the space apps take up ... which can't be stored in the cloud.
I think it's probably more to give the carriers a nearly useless device to advertise at a low price to get people in the door and then force upgrades. I don't even store much locally, but I'm not sure how people do it with a 16 GB model.
Also, storing stuff in the cloud sounds great until the reality of mobile data plans hits... and the ineptness of Apple's cloud. Maybe Phil's been dipping into the kool-aid a bit too much.
"Save money" for higher end components. The phone cost $290 to make and they sell it for $650...
Yes, exactly ... and ... you know ... the space apps take up.
They still have employees to pay ... and marketing ... and the ten million things that aren't free that lead to the end result of the production of the phone ...
And after paying a lot of $ for the extra storage, Apple turns around and uses cheap flash!
Umm, I have to disagree on that update frequency. Daring Fireball has been a part of my morning RSS routine for quite a while and it's quite rare not to have 2-5 (or more) new posts there. His commentary on links is indeed quite scarce typically, but the linked articles themselves have been interesting to read. I don't agree with everything he writes, but I see where his status comes from.
He isn't objective. Just like the Window's talking head who I can't recall his name.
My dislike for Gruber is slowly approaching the level of dislike for another talking fool named Mick. I won't use his full name. He is one of the few people that I'd love to slap silly like Charlie Murphy slapped Rick James.
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Phil, love ya most days, but tonight you were full of s***. iCloud isn't dependable enough to rely on and 16GB is just too small even with reduced upgrade requirements.
Don't delight your shareholders at the expense of your customers.
I've had a 4S and now a 5S with 16GB of storage. It's okay, but you have to make some concessions (e.g. not have all music on the device). I was disappointed last year that 6 and 6+ still had 16GB as basic version. With prices still dropping for storage I would have expected 32GB. It would have made sense: keep prices the same, but upgrade storage one step.
I think Apple have missed a chance and I don't think, they will change that this year. Although I'm still hopping for it (drop 16GB in favor of 32GB and lower price $50-80).
I think Apple have missed a chance and I don't think, they will change that this year. Although I'm still hopping for it (drop 16GB in favor of 32GB and lower price $50-80).
Apple wants everyone to use the cloud (and sync between devices), or backup.
for storing local only, and sync with iTunes.
(Plus with icloud having more problems than most others), well that in itself is a good enough reason against it.
It's tough when u introduce new features to make sure everything works. but Apple could do a little better.... Although there will always be problems, there are other cloud services that don't have as much as Apple seems to i would think.
for storing local only, and sync with iTunes.
(Plus with icloud having more problems than most others), well that in itself is a good enough reason against it.
It's tough when u introduce new features to make sure everything works. but Apple could do a little better.... Although there will always be problems, there are other cloud services that don't have as much as Apple seems to i would think.
While I understand the reason behind this decision on Apple part still a bad joke that after so many years they still selling the base model with 16gb. Come on at some point they must increase it. They make a boatload money already and passing this perk to the consumer is the least they can do at this point. Enough is enough.
That's his appeal to me. The ability to be able to say everything without needing to say anything at all. Very often, he just needs to quote a certain part of an article and somehow, I find my brain just filling in the blanks and narrating what I imagine he would be saying anyways.
I think it's a knack to be able to instinctively know what to exclude in your articles, and it's not something everyone can do well.
Things can be stored in the cloud. AT$T and Veri$on love this.
You can store your data in the cloud and they can charge you to access your data.
Riiiightttt.........
You can store your data in the cloud and they can charge you to access your data.
Riiiightttt.........
Stop dreaming guys. 16GB will be the standard in the foreseeable future unless usable space becomes less than 4GB or so. I know so many people who refused to pay $100 to upgrade to 32GB before are now upgrading to 64GB. This essentially increases the ASP by $100. They will keep the low end model at the barely breathable level. If future iOS takes up 12GB, they will increase the base model up to 20GB or 24GB. Price-conscious customers can live with this level. For people who can afford it but wasn't willing to pay extra Apple wants to "encourage" you to do so. It's that simple.
If this guy was truly concerned about an iPhone's battery taking too long to charge then he would push to include an iPad charger. Charging an iPhone 6+ with the included wall plug takes a ridiculously long time. And... do he and that other idiot honestly expect us to forget that other phones have fast charging?
In this day of age apple should get rid of 16gb and the 32gb should be the base line.
These are the two things that infuriate me about Apple.
They'd rather brag about shaving a millimeter of thickness off an already too-thin-to-safely-handle phone than use that space on battery capacity. When my phone is almost dead at 4:00 in the afternoon I couldn't care less how thin the thing is. Your engineers can make a thin phone, good for them. How about making one that will last a day instead.
And the 16GB thing has pissed me off for years now. It's not a matter of whether most people can get by on 16GB, I'm sure a large number of people can, it's the stubborn unwillingness to spend a couple extra dollars on a 32GB chip so customers can have that better experience just for the sake of having it. A 32GB flash chip must cost even less now than 16GB chips would have cost when Apple first started using them. They see the price of the better component fall to a price they were comfortable paying for the previous component, but instead of phasing in that new component for no extra cost they keep using the other one because they know every year that price will drop another dollar or two.
Charging another $100 for a storage upgrade that in reality might cost them an extra $10 is a whole other matter I won't even get into.
Stop nickel and diming and get with the times already. 16GB has been obsolete for a few years now with the size of apps growing, something that the cloud has no bearing on.
They'd rather brag about shaving a millimeter of thickness off an already too-thin-to-safely-handle phone than use that space on battery capacity. When my phone is almost dead at 4:00 in the afternoon I couldn't care less how thin the thing is. Your engineers can make a thin phone, good for them. How about making one that will last a day instead.
And the 16GB thing has pissed me off for years now. It's not a matter of whether most people can get by on 16GB, I'm sure a large number of people can, it's the stubborn unwillingness to spend a couple extra dollars on a 32GB chip so customers can have that better experience just for the sake of having it. A 32GB flash chip must cost even less now than 16GB chips would have cost when Apple first started using them. They see the price of the better component fall to a price they were comfortable paying for the previous component, but instead of phasing in that new component for no extra cost they keep using the other one because they know every year that price will drop another dollar or two.
Charging another $100 for a storage upgrade that in reality might cost them an extra $10 is a whole other matter I won't even get into.
Stop nickel and diming and get with the times already. 16GB has been obsolete for a few years now with the size of apps growing, something that the cloud has no bearing on.
Apple simply needs a reason for people to buy the "higher-end high-priced" models. Apple needs a reason for people to accept iCloud and to put data on iCloud. Apple needs a reason to make more money. It's the same thing with Macs. Phil knows that but he backs down in favour of market and advertising.
That's true, Apple will always flip flop on comments based on what they are trying to market.
"It turns out our vast App ecosystem, fantastic new Music service and incredible high fidelity cameras are so good - and our users were so excited to use them, they they're using up gigs of space on their <insert gimped low end model of phone here>. So we thought we would help users enjoy their phones even more. Starting today, the entry level iPhone will ship with a massive 32gig of storage. We think this is really great"
I disagree. I find the 16g model quite satisfactory for my use and the tradeoff in lower price worthwhile. I don't need a lot of storage since I don't use it for videos, songs, etc. It is strictly a way to get mail from my personal and corporate accounts, surf the web when I don't have my MB handy, and as a way to tether when I don't have wifi or don't have my data modem handy. If they decide to price a 32g model at the same or lower price point fine but I don't want to pay more for more storage I don'y need. YMMV.
Assuming that it is $5 for the upgrade it would cost apple approximately $3.5 billion after taking into consideration the amount of iPhone 6 sold.