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Photo of 3 iPhones? VPN for iPhone?
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VPN is reportedly coming with Leopard, so putting it in the iPhone makes sense. Imagine being able to go back to your desktop machine and check a file over a secure VPN connection. I think they called it "Back to my Mac" or something like that in Leopard. It was part of that keynote that wasn't quite miraculous for everyone.
The beauty of iPhone is that the possibilities are limitless. A iPhone updates can bring new apps at will. I know one of the first updates will be a horizontal virtual keyboard to put to rest the difficult virtual typing questions.
None of the other phones out there can be improved on such a flexible way. What a concept!
VPN is reportedly coming with Leopard, so putting it in the iPhone makes sense. Imagine being able to go back to your desktop machine and check a file over a secure VPN connection. I think they called it "Back to my Mac" or something like that in Leopard. It was part of that keynote that wasn't quite miraculous for everyone.
The beauty of iPhone is that the possibilities are limitless. A iPhone updates can bring new apps at will. I know one of the first updates will be a horizontal virtual keyboard to put to rest the difficult virtual typing questions.
None of the other phones out there can be improved on such a flexible way. What a concept!
I did not know that. I thought all you need was the password to access Wi-Fi networks protected by WEP/WPA.
(I'm obviously not a university student at the moment, or I would know that already.)
No, you're correct. Most University WiFi has nothing to do with VPN. VPN is used to securely access programs and files on a remote network. I'm not sure what he's talking about.
My uni requires you to be connected to their vpn for access, all the access points around uni are open but essentially useless unless you are connected to the vpn
Apple doesn't sell it anymore, but it was a dock connector with a USB 2.0 cable and a FireWire cable.
giving out a WEP or WPA password wouldn't be secure, so the wireless network is left open and VPN is used to authenticate you to a central server with your university account, etc. i.e., the wireless network gives you a local address while VPN gives you an internet address.
It's probably the retail display dock with dedicated power and network connections.
Rocketman
I'm sure about that quote -- it's from 1996 or 1997, when Steve Jobs first came back to Apple.
I had one wonderfully horrible moment where I got VPN and VNC mixed up... VPN is great, especially for students (Cisco support?) but VNC would be so much cooler... everything you can't do on your iPhone, you can just connect to your Mac and do it. You'd need some serious bandwidth to do it, though.
AFAIK Tiger has VPN support, but the Cisco support if it exists doesn't work for me.
AFAIK Tiger has VPN support, but the Cisco support if it exists doesn't work for me.
hmmm...
wouldn't it be awesome if it's all about being able to VPN to your mac at home and use remote desktop which uses the resolution independent UI to basically give you access to your full mac from anywhere with wi-fi!?
As we all know it would be a little slow the way we do it now, but thats because it's refreshing those huge resolutions, if 10.5 can dynamically scale that for the iPhone connection you could actually have decent image refresh...
Man, that would rock.
I can dream right?
ha ha.
wouldn't it be awesome if it's all about being able to VPN to your mac at home and use remote desktop which uses the resolution independent UI to basically give you access to your full mac from anywhere with wi-fi!?
As we all know it would be a little slow the way we do it now, but thats because it's refreshing those huge resolutions, if 10.5 can dynamically scale that for the iPhone connection you could actually have decent image refresh...
Man, that would rock.
I can dream right?
ha ha.
No, actually, you're both wrong. As many can tell you (just look at some in this thread) many Universities use VPN (Virtual Private Networks) at their campuses. They've been doing it for years. I should know, Cisco is one of my biggest clients.
It's a lot more economical because they get the best of both worlds. They use PUBLIC "pipes" (the regular Internet) but get security. All without having to buy or lease expensive private data pipes. A basic definition is "A private network that is configured within a public network." This is why. They leave the LAN (Local Area Network) or WAN (Wide Area Network) open but "handshake" with a VPN system of encryption and security.
even if you are thinking of VNC, the VPN is nice for the secure connection... you then run the VNC through that. am I right?
That keynote blew me away! Leopard is such an amazing leap forward. What keynote did people watch? Back to my mac. Amazing! Built into the os! Quicklook, cover flow visauls. Wow! What's am I missing? The OS is so much better than I envisioned. Of course stacks and docks and stuff are fluffy, but stacks will be pretty powerful feature.
Right, so how many iPhone users are going to be shut out by Cisco's proprietary VPN since it's not built into OS X and there's no way to download it to the iPhone. I know of a few universitites that will be rendered "iPhone useless" by Cisco.
Yeah, Indiana University implements a VPN in the same way. Anyone can see the IU Network, but to gain access to the internet as well as network resources, you must connect over IPSEC or PPTP. The VPN connection is based off a "shared secret" phrase, plus your university username and password. Having access to this wifi network is HUGE for me as I'm a grad student who's on campus quite a bit.
I also am working for a Big 4 firm right now and we use a similar system at work. The network is open within the building or nearby, but you must authenticate through a VPN + your RSA token. I doubt I'd be able to connect to that VPN, although it's possible. Just having VPN access seems like a MAJOR plus, and one I guess I'd kind of thought was a given (although in retrospect, I suppose it wasn't).
I also am working for a Big 4 firm right now and we use a similar system at work. The network is open within the building or nearby, but you must authenticate through a VPN + your RSA token. I doubt I'd be able to connect to that VPN, although it's possible. Just having VPN access seems like a MAJOR plus, and one I guess I'd kind of thought was a given (although in retrospect, I suppose it wasn't).
http://d5.allthingsd.com/20070530/d5-gates-jobs-interview/
Steve: Gil was a nice guy, but he had a saying. He said, Apple is like a ship with a hole in the bottom leaking water and my job is to get the ship pointed in the right direction.
I'm pretty sure Steve was referring to Gil talking about himself here. When he says it at the recent Gates/Jobs All Things Digital interview, everyone laughs afterward as if it were a big joke on Gil and how misguided he was.
Actually, in my dealing with Cisco (I design many of their mini sites and consequently have to read up on a lot of Cisco literature and research), they rarely use proprietary VPN software in University settings. They generally keep them open since they are placed there to aid students with mobile devices. Since these devices are coming from a variety of sources, they do not want to alienate them. Plus this makes it easier to use, implement and distribute. Remember, college students always bring in a mixture of PCs, MACS, different PDAs, etc. Most of these college VPNs are either open source or non-proprietary Cisco systems.
As far as the VPN "not built into OS X" . . .uh. well . . . let me share a few screenshots with you of my Mac OS X Tiger.
You can set up a VPN via a L2TP over IPSec or via PPTP. I use it with certain clients all the time.
Enjoy . . .
At my university you just use your University username and password for the WPA enterprise credentials. A lot easier for students to set up, and easier to support.
I'd echo that sentiment. Cisco CEO John Chambers, an IU MBA grad, contributes a TON of money as well as hardware/software. The IU VPN is cisco-implemented, and there's no proprietary software. It runs with a variety of mobile devices and OS's. I've logged into the VPN through windows, unix, and os x.
I apologize, since it seems clear that a lot of Universities use VPN (not sure it's in their best interest though). None of the 3 universities I've attended used it, so I was making an assumption. I stand by my statement that it makes a lot more sense to use university id's and passwords for WPA2 Enterprise security.
Okay, I wasn't clear on that: if campus IT was to rely only on WEP/WPA password instead of VPN, they would probably make you register your device's network (MAC) address into their whitelist. Under this system, you wouldn't be able to just use your iPhone until you register the device's network address with campus IT.
Given the massive number of campuses across the country, I'm not surprised that we don't know for certain how many campuses use VPNs versus WPA/WEP + registering devices.
EDIT: Or university ID + password only for WPA...Okay, my head hurts from trying to talk about IT when I clearly don't work in IT. I'll stop.
*CISCO VPN* is not built in to OS X. At many Universities you have to download the Cisco client software or you get no access. Let's take UCLA for example:
UCLA VPN
Also holds true for Cal State Northridge... not sure about others. There is no way around using Cisco's client. *THE BUILT IN VPN FOR OS X WILL NOT WORK*. If you can figure out a way around it, there's at least two large universities that will be quick to shower you with kudos.
Here's the phrase that drives the point home: "Unfortunately, these PPTP does not work with OSX 10.3+. Those using OS 10.3 or higher will not be able to use the built in VPN to connect via PPTPyou will have to download the Cisco VPN client."
UCLA VPN PPTP Instructions
Enjoy indeed.
Docs match Think Secret
The docs match the description on Secret Notes from the 18th - they have a place to charge the Bluetooth head set
http://notes.thinksecret.com/
"Earlier this year, word leaked that the iPhone's dock would include a small port for charging Apple's tiny bluetooth headset. Think Secret sources that have been playing with recent preproduction iPhone units report that the port remains on the dock....
...Sources also report that the iPhone's docking cable has two cables going into the docking plug, although the purpose of the second is unknown. Think Secret sources have also been unable to confirm reports that third-party iPod accessories will be incompatible with the iPhone."
The docs match the description on Secret Notes from the 18th - they have a place to charge the Bluetooth head set
http://notes.thinksecret.com/
"Earlier this year, word leaked that the iPhone's dock would include a small port for charging Apple's tiny bluetooth headset. Think Secret sources that have been playing with recent preproduction iPhone units report that the port remains on the dock....
...Sources also report that the iPhone's docking cable has two cables going into the docking plug, although the purpose of the second is unknown. Think Secret sources have also been unable to confirm reports that third-party iPod accessories will be incompatible with the iPhone."
Ok, here we go. Which Cisco VPN system are we talking about? Seriously, do you want to get into this converstion? I do several VPN connections WITH Cisco every week. Just because certain Universities use a certain VPN client and software, doesn't mean ALL of Cisco's VPN software is the same. There are about 60 different ways to establish ONE type of VPN, let alone countless others. You're right. Cisco's VPN is Not built into OS X, but it has it AND it can work with many different types of Cisco's VPN architectures. Don't beleive me, check this out. It will give you a step-by-step process. Oh, and by the way, check out the part where it talks about Mac OS X (10.4):
"The Cisco VPN client supports Windows 2000, XP and Vista (x86/32-bit only); Linux (Intel); Mac OS X 10.4; and Solaris UltraSparc (32 and 64-bit). The Cisco VPN Client is compatible with the following Cisco products:
Cisco 6500 / 7600 IPSec VPNSM and VPN SPA IOS Software Release 12.2SX and later
Cisco VPN 3000 Series Concentrator Software Version 3.0 and later
Cisco IOS Software Release 12.2(8)T and later
Cisco PIX Security Appliance Software Version 6.0 and later
Cisco ASA 5500 Series Software Version 7.0 and higher"
Do you want other examples?
My main point is that many Universities use VPN, most of them compatible and this is good for the iPhone. That's it.