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Totally but the night shot doesn't look like night anymore

Quite agree, as MTB night ride enthusiast, I often testing bike light and with that settings it would not tell the story how beam pattern would like.

Niche case though, but still sometimes I need 'black crappy dark photo' as comparison to tell how strong is my light at max lumens.

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If that was my main concern I'd be shooting with medium format instead of APS-C, which I feel provides the best combination of easy carry and IQ over a small sensor. A larger sensor is just as capable of capturing photos which communicate while maintaining IQ you can later apply a lot of noise reduction to.

But photography is subjective and means different things to different people, but given the opportunity to choose between two almost identical photos, most people will not chose the smeary one.


News to me. I often soften (what you call smearing) photos in LR using negative clarity.


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I suppose it depends what your goal is. For me it has never been about creating tack-sharp photographs for the sake of being able to produce them. Photos that are more about technical aspects I usually find rather boring. Photos that move me stir my imagination releasing some kind of narrative.

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100% agree!

Good example. A camera is a tool, and a means to an end. Storytelling is what we’re looking for in photography, as with other art forms.

Having said that, I do prefer shooting with a full frame camera. Simply because it allows for a higher floor and ceiling in terms of processing and IQ, particularly for larger prints. Of course it doesn’t mean I don’t use my phone often for photography.
Me too. I love my proper gear, but... I AWAYS have my phone on me.

I'd like to see a true representation of what we are getting then some professional edited version.
How are these photos not true representations? They’re taken with the phone, maybe on a tripod (or steady surface) and lightly edited with software, to the point where he mentions he just pressed the auto edit function. Anyone can do it.
What isn’t a true there? The thing here is that he’s a photographer. And like many things, some people can do it better than others.
These are clear demonstrations on what’s possible with this camera. Not a reflection on what the average user could necessarily shoot with one
Nobody wants to see the average Joe’s efforts at photography plastered all over the marketing of new cameras.
 
It looks like there is SO much room for improvement on that LiDAR portrait shot. Very blurry.

Glad I got the 12 now and not the Pro. Didn't think anyone would benefit much from the LiDAR this year anyway.

Certainly haven't noticed it or needed it on my iPad Pro.
 
But that’s the question isn’t it? Only Apple knows for sure. With the 6 series phones OIS came to the smaller phone 1 year after the larger phone got it. Is that because it took them an extra year to figure out how to fit it in the smaller phone or was it a marketing decision? If the 13 Pro has some fo the features the 12 Pro Max had and the phone design is mostly unchanged then it will look more like a marketing decision than a space issue.
Quite agree that it could be a marketing decision. But there are several possible issues. Size and whether they could fit it in is certainly one. Also whether their supply chains were able to deliver enough to have added it to the Pro.
 
And to think this is just the Pro. The Pro Max with it’s larger sensor, larger pixels and sensor shift stabilization is going to produce even better photos. Can’t wait!
 
Speaking as a NON photographer for a minute: the problem is there aren't many quality pocket cameras left these days, due to the transition to much poorer sensor technology. The Sony RX100 series BARELY fits in your pocket, and while its 1" CMOS sensor has less noise and better detail than a phone, I find the iPhone algorithms can actually do better at night than the Sony. (I still get photos better than both with my old S95 CCD pocket camera.) We need either CCD sensors in cameras again or a full frame camera with a fixed zoom lens that fits in your pocket. (Or at least APS-C). I have considered full mirrorless cameras a lot, but I'm smart enough to know how seldom I'd drag one (and its lenses) with me, or how seldom I'd want to be walking around with a big camera around my neck. :)

That said, the latest iPhone looks like a decent replacement for a simple point and shoot. But what I dislike about all these new AI algorithms is the result is pure fiction - it may look decent, but it doesn't look like what you actually photographed. We're all moving to a pretend world, like remembering your past in a dream.
 
After looking at some of the photos, especially the one with the woman wearing a fur-lined hood, I thought to myself: but, it's still October. Surely it can't be that cold yet? Surprise, surprise. The area around Glacier National Park, Montana is currently forecasted to receive anywhere between 8-12" of snow, with temperatures barely above freezing during the day and well below that at night. Yikes!
 
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Can you turn all of these software tricks off and just take a straight up pic?
You can. And most of those shots would feature a nice black square. That's the point of most of them. When I compare what these cameras can do in low light with what my nice Panasonic Superzoom (FX-70) from 2005 was capable of (hint: very little in low light), its a miracle.

Any camera can take a photo at noon on a sunny day. But most people don't use cameras that way. I used to take photos of my kids playing basketball in what seemed like a decently lit gym with the aforesaid Panasonic. The pics were so blurry as to be unusable because the lens just could not gather enough light in the time needed to stop the action (<1/30th of second, generally). I had to upgrade to a DSLR to do that. Now, these phones can do what a 2008 DSLR can do with ease and without expensive fast lenses.
 
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This is a large problem
It's like saying, this car can do this.....

But they used special gas that's 10x the price, hired the current formula 1 racing driver, fitted expensive tyres and other things.

Yes, you, the typical owner could pay all that extra, but you are not.

It's tantamount to lying if you sell "Product A" But you need to use Product B, C, D and E to show off Product A, as most people will simply expect Product A to do what they see.

I disagree. If a pro photographer is reviewing consumer gear it's quite obvious the result is not comparable to our own pictures, with or without pro addons. If we average joes had access to all this crap we still wouldn't pull off the same shots.

It's not the gear, it's skill.
 
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It looks like there is SO much room for improvement on that LiDAR portrait shot. Very blurry.

Glad I got the 12 now and not the Pro. Didn't think anyone would benefit much from the LiDAR this year anyway.

Certainly haven't noticed it or needed it on my iPad Pro.
Did you read the conditions of the photo you say has so much room for improvement? It’s a fairly epic attempt considering the conditions and the inherent limitations of a phone camera.
 
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