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The second one is the iPhone.

Quite obvious. Even at the tiny size you uploaded them in, you can see way better detail and sharpness in the camera shot. Not to mention way more detail and much less noise in the left hand side of the photo with the iPad. More details in the rocks on the right side as well.
 
There is nothing new in the hardware
But Apple's made software improvements that it's not bringing to the 11 series.

I do agree that upgrading from an 11 Pro to a 12 Pro for the camera alone is probably a waste of money, but most people will probably be coming from something a lot older.
 
That says it all. Apple making people idiots. They could have brought software to 11 Pro, hardware is the same. No, thanks!

But Apple's made software improvements that it's not bringing to the 11 series.

I do agree that upgrading from an 11 Pro to a 12 Pro for the camera alone is probably a waste of money, but most people will probably be coming from something a lot older.
 
There is nothing new in the hardware
Really?

12 Pro
Pro 12MP camera system (Ultra Wide, Wide and Telephoto)
Wide: ƒ/1.6 aperture

11 Pro
Triple 12MP Ultra Wide, Wide and Telephoto cameras
Wide: ƒ/1.8 aperture

I don't know what the change of name (Triple to Pro) implies, if anything! But the Wide camera has a larger aperture. Sure, that isn't a massive change, but it is new.
 
Really?

12 Pro
Pro 12MP camera system (Ultra Wide, Wide and Telephoto)
Wide: ƒ/1.6 aperture

11 Pro
Triple 12MP Ultra Wide, Wide and Telephoto cameras
Wide: ƒ/1.8 aperture

I don't know what the change of name (Triple to Pro) implies, if anything! But the Wide camera has a larger aperture. Sure, that isn't a massive change, but it is new.
and if you get the Max you get a larger sensor too
 
There is nothing new in the hardware
There is plenty new, if not potentially minor changes in the hardware, save the big change in sensor size for the max. That’s a huge difference. But it doesn’t make previous models ‘lesser’ cameras, or somehow lessen your ability to shoot with them. But there ARE differences, and the sensor size particularly is a big upgrade.

Edit- nice pics by the way.
 
..and sensor shift stabilization, which stabilizes the sensor and is a big upgrade over OIS, which only stabilizes the lens.
IBIS isn't inherently better than OIS because they stabilize different kinds of movement. They says the "tele" camera has "sensor-shift optical image stabilization" which probably means that it is IBIS & OIS and combining the two is usually good for a stop or two more stabilization. IBIS more useful on wide focal lengths which is why it's weird that Apple put it in the "tele" camera. This shows the difference.
 

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IBIS isn't inherently better than OIS. They call it "sensor-shift optical image stabilization" which probably means that it is IBIS & OIS. This is good since they stabilize different kinds of movement, OIS is good for pitch and yaw tilting movement, but combining them is usually good for a stop or more stabilization. IBIS more useful on wide focal lengths which is why it's weird that Apple put it in the "tele" camera. This shows the difference.
IS is far more useful for tele lenses handheld. Wide lenses need less stability handheld, and more so considering long exposures are generally and obviously preferably done using a tripod, phone or not.
 
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IS is far more useful for tele lenses handheld. Wide lenses need less stability handheld, and more so considering long exposures are generally and obviously preferably done using a tripod, phone or not.
Much briefer response. OIS is less useful at wider focal because the elements can't move far enough to provide a lot at wide and ultra wide field of views. Also weird that Apple didn’t put it open their most commonly used lens.

But I agree with you that extra stabilization i great on longer focal lengths.
 
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All taken with 11 Pro. I see no value in getting 12 Pro as it adds NOTHING relevant when it comes to photography.
Is the ability to autofocus in total darkness not “relevant”? It is to me! My “real” camera can’t do that without shining an obnoxious focus assist light, for starters...
 
Much briefer response. OIS is less useful at wider focal because the elements can't move far enough for a lot of stabilization a wide and ultra wide field of views which is why IBIS would have been great on the other cameras. But extra stabilization on a longer focal length is great.

But I agree wight you that stabilization is more useful at longer focal lengths.
Not sure what you’re trying to say here is relevent to be honest.
In real life, with a telephoto lens, IS helps no end.
In real life, with an ultra wide or even a fairly wide, IS make no real difference unless shooting long exposures. In which case you need a tripod regardless.
Shooting something like 1/30 or potentially even lower is no problem on a wide without IS, depending on sensor size. Not possible on a tele.
 
I'm a photographer and I use my iPhone 11 Pro more than my Sony a7R III. It doesn't take better pictures, but it's always on me and it takes really good pictures for what it is. That's why I'm getting the iPhone 12 Pro Max. Really looking forward to the larger sensor, the better sensor stabilization, and a little bit of extra optical zoom. I'm also hoping these improvements can come to the smaller iPhone Pro next year. The new Qualcomm 5G modems are moving to 5nm process so they should be more energy efficient, so maybe they could make the battery slightly smaller to accommodate a better camera system inside. I really don't prefer the Max size!
 
This is a large problem
It's like saying, this car can do this.....

But they used special gas that's 10x the price, hired the current formula 1 racing driver, fitted expensive tyres and other things.

Yes, you, the typical owner could pay all that extra, but you are not.

It's tantamount to lying if you sell "Product A" But you need to use Product B, C, D and E to show off Product A, as most people will simply expect Product A to do what they see.
Same as 'Shot on an iPhone'. Yes, attached to $60,000 rigging gear and edited using a team working for months.
 
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Travel photographer Austin Mann usually performs an in-depth review of new iPhone models to test their camera performance in real-world scenarios. To test Apple's new iPhone 12 Pro, Mann traveled to Glacier National Park, Montana.

Mann focused on some of the biggest camera upgrades with the iPhone 12 Pro, including the upgraded Wide lens, Ultra Wide Night mode, and LiDAR autofocus, across a range of conditions and environments.

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The upgraded 26mm Wide angle lens with a f/1.6 aperture performed better in low light, according to Mann. In a 30-second exposure shot with almost no visible light (above), he found that Night mode and the Wide lens worked extremely well together.

When investigating the new seven-element Wide lens for better edge-to-edge sharpness, Mann shot images with lots of detail in the corners of the frame, but did not see better results than on the iPhone 11 Pro.

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On the other hand, Mann observed that Night mode on the Ultra Wide lens significantly improved low-light performance. Where the iPhone 11 Pro's Ultra Wide lens produced a mostly black frame that was full of noise, the iPhone 12 Pro delivered an immeasurably improved clear image.

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He found that the low-light improvements to the Ultra Wide also made indoors photography with the lens much more viable and crisp.

Mann noted reasonable improvements with Smart HDR 3, but the more striking difference was seen in taking portraits with Night mode. After sunset with very little available light, the computational improvements of better OIS, faster ISO, and LiDAR, allowed the portrait to remain surprisingly color accurate and sharp.

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Mann found that the LiDAR Scanner significantly improved low-light portraits, with the focus locking to the subject's face and creating an accurate depth map where needed.

Elsewhere, Mann praised a range of minor software improvements. In particular, he appreciated that it is now possible to lock exposure adjustment without it reverting to auto mode every time a picture is captured or when switching between lenses. This allows the iPhone 12 Pro to behave much more like a manual camera.

See Mann's full report for more images and additional information about the technical capabilities of the iPhone 12 Pro's camera setup.

Article Link: Photographer Austin Mann Tests the iPhone 12 Pro's Camera
Just one word. Awesome!
 
It looks like there is SO much room for improvement on that LiDAR portrait shot. Very blurry.
You do know that photo was shot holding with ONE hand for 3 seconds in a complete darkness, while another hand hold another phone to fill light?

Context matters.
 
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I disagree. If a pro photographer is reviewing consumer gear it's quite obvious the result is not comparable to our own pictures, with or without pro addons. If we average joes had access to all this crap we still wouldn't pull off the same shots.

It's not the gear, it's skill.
Absolutely.

To repeat, his photos all were shot in stock photo app. Some are lightly edited with just Auto function. The one using 30 seconds long exposure used tripod. That’s all. That’s very basic.
 
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