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Recycling is good for the environment...

Not so much for rumors.

Yawn, saw this one a loooong time ago.
 
Excuse the harshness and sacrasm:p, but Vietnam has come a long way since the days of rice and rubber production, being victims of Napalm, making Nikes, and so on. Looks like Vietnam has the great privilege of becoming the new leader in spreading corporate leaks from its neighboring countries that have well established electronics manufacturing industries.
 
When the touch is upgraded to 128GB it's time for the iPod Classic to be laid to rest. Hard drives need to disappear. They have such a high failure rate.

I accept that like any mechanical device there is a given percentage of failures within a certain timeframe and the likelihood is that on an infinite timescale there will be a 100% failure rate, but don't SSDs have a set limited amount of times that each block can be written to? I've never been able to justify buying an SSD personally because I value storage over speed, but that being said, in 15 years of using HDD-based devices on a daily basis, I've never *touch wood* had a hard disk fail on me...

I'm guessing ol' Steve is going full-out Ballmer what with all these leaks; hurling chairs at walls, lifting up interns by the scruffs of their necks, etc etc :p
 
I have NEVER had even ONE iPod hard drive fail on me - ever. And I've owned every model and use them a LOT. I even have given away my old ones and I still don't think any of them have failed hard drives.
Your personal experience here isn't really relevant. Mechanical hard drives are prone to fail in portable devices—this includes the iPod Classic—because movement while in use, particularly the sort associated with activities like jogging, is detrimental to them. Apple does have a relatively high failure rate for hard drives in these devices and it isn't due to a design flaw. This may come as a surprise, but it is common knowledge for anyone who works with this type of hardware or who is responsible for servicing this sort of product.
 
The only reason I think this could be an old version is the 2 MP camera. While I understand that Apple wouldn't want to put the same quality of camera in the Touch as they would the iPhone, this is still below what's in the current iPhone. I would expect at least a 3 MP camera in any new versions of the iPod Touch.
 
This drives home the fact that Apple pulls features out of products simply to have something to put into the NEXT generation, so that fanboys will buy BOTH. There was really no other reason why the iPod Touch didn't have a camera last year - it was even in the prototype.
Wrong here, too. The purchases made by the 'Apple Fan Boys' (i.e. patrons of sites such as this) are, by way of comparison, near irrelevant to Apple's sales numbers, and even to an extent their product decisions (particularly in reference to consumer products such as this). The overwhelming majority of purchases come from people who just want an efficient tool or a cool toy—or just a good MP3 player. If any malious motive could be attributed to these decisions it would be deliberate differentiation to maintain interest in upgrades between models, standard practice in technology and unfortunately a pretty important part of doing business successfully. Though I think this particular case was probably just a technology or supply issue that mucked things up at the end—hard to say.
 
So Vietnam defeated America again?

Honestly, Apple is one of the most thought after companies right now. Everybody wants them. Hence they will be hunted down for all the moves they take. Good and bad for them at the same time. It won't make people buy their products much less. I rather think (and have read), that the ipad is more responsible for ipod jeopardizing than anything else...
 
Your personal experience here isn't really relevant. Mechanical hard drives are prone to fail in portable devices—this includes the iPod Classic—because movement while in use, particularly the sort associated with activities like jogging, is detrimental to them. Apple does have a relatively high failure rate for hard drives in these devices and it isn't due to a design flaw. This may come as a surprise, but it is common knowledge for anyone who works with this type of hardware or who is responsible for servicing this sort of product.

meh.... statistics. Mechanical HD do fail much more often but I still got a 60GB from 2005 that still runs like a champ with great battery life as well. Sure I have used it 90% of the time in the car but it serves its purpose as it holds my entire music library. I have owned 4 ipods with Mechanical HDs since 2002 and only 1 died due to HD failure. Mechanical HDs are far from perfect but if it means that in the future a 200GB+ ipod could be produced then so be it. Mechanical HDs will be dead when Apple can produce a 200GB+ ipod using a solid state drive for under $300.
 
I bet tensions are high at Apple HQ, and they have every right to be angry. Whats leaked has been leaked, nothing can be done about it - whats crucial is they find how on earth this stuff is getting leaked to Vietnam.
 
This drives home the fact that Apple pulls features out of products simply to have something to put into the NEXT generation, so that fanboys will buy BOTH. There was really no other reason why the iPod Touch didn't have a camera last year - it was even in the prototype.

True. And because I love my iPod touch so much, all they need to do is offer it in that sexy new design with a camera for me to upgrade. I love that device, and I found that the 32 isn't quite enough for me.

bump me up, Apple! Don't skimp on the camera, either!
 
Wrong here, too. The purchases made by the 'Apple Fan Boys' (i.e. patrons of sites such as this) are, by way of comparison, near irrelevant to Apple's sales numbers, and even to an extent their product decisions (particularly in reference to consumer products such as this). The overwhelming majority of purchases come from people who just want an efficient tool or a cool toy—or just a good MP3 player. If any malious motive could be attributed to these decisions it would be deliberate differentiation to maintain interest in upgrades between models, standard practice in technology and unfortunately a pretty important part of doing business successfully. Though I think this particular case was probably just a technology or supply issue that mucked things up at the end—hard to say.
Absolutely correct.

The desires and whims of the readers here are irrelevant to Apple. They make their devices for Joe Consumer, not for fanboys.

Apple knows that they cannot suspend the laws of physics or ignore the economics of consumer electronics manufacturing. Many Apple fanboys are oblivious to such matters, and blather inane ramblings from their hysterically naive dreamworlds.
 
Outsourcing

If Apple was really pissed off about leaks, they would stop outsourcing the manufacturing of their products. Of course, if they did that, a 13" MacBook Pro would cost $4000.00 and STILL have a Core2Duo (this coming from a guy who spent $1500.00 on a 13" MacBook Pro with a Core2Duo).

So, Apple needs to choose its battles. They can choose between LEAKS or decide to manufacture in fewer countries and where employees are paid higher wages (less incentive to spread trade secrets and probably less likely to commit suicide, though neither of these correlations can truly be made without a LOT of research). That said, if you were to ask me whether a Taiwanese employee is any more likely to spill the beans than an employee in America, I'd probably say 'no'.
 
I seriously hope Apple wouldn't use the same design for the iPod touch for 3 years on the trot!
 
meh.... statistics. Mechanical HD do fail much more often but I still got a 60GB from 2005 that still runs like a champ with great battery life as well. Sure I have used it 90% of the time in the car but it serves its purpose as it holds my entire music library. I have owned 4 ipods with Mechanical HDs since 2002 and only 1 died due to HD failure. Mechanical HDs are far from perfect but if it means that in the future a 200GB+ ipod could be produced then so be it. Mechanical HDs will be dead when Apple can produce a 200GB+ ipod using a solid state drive for under $300.

I for one still want EXTREME high capacity in my portable device - whether that be an iPod or iPhone, or preferably both. There is a LOT of media that I want to play (and don;t want to "maintain" in the device on a daily basis), and most is coming at higher and higher quality, which exponentially takes up more room on the device. And even games and other apps are becoming much higher in storage needs.

Unfortunately, over the last year, NAND flash memory has remained very high priced for larger capacity modules, so at this time, a HD is really the only thing that's POSSIBLE at a reasonable price point for capacities over 128GB. I'm not sure that prices of 64GB NAND flash module will even allow a 64GB iPhone or 128GB iPod Touch this year.

I don't necessarily care about whether the storage medium is flash or an HD, I just want high capacity. The iPod Classic is 160GB and even that is not enough. I'm not sure what the short term solution is for Apple, though, especially since we all know they are dying to get rid of the Classic. But unless they can match the current 160GB Classic, I hope they don't discontinue it.

Maybe a solution is to put more NAND flash SLOTS in the device so that they can use the much lower priced 32GB modules, but that's probably not feasible given the extremely thin profile that Apple seems (inflexibly) devoted to.

Tony
 
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