I can't possibly see how changing the OS menu to Japanese would affect nudging a text field within an app. I'm just saying, he's describing the bug in a way that makes no sense, suggesting that he doesn't really understand OS X or what's going on.
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Photoshop Project Manager Clarifies Position on Creative Suite 3 Compatibility With Snow Leopard
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I can't possibly see how changing the OS menu to Japanese would affect nudging a text field within an app. I'm just saying, he's describing the bug in a way that makes no sense, suggesting that he doesn't really understand OS X or what's going on.
Which they have done with this statement. To spell it out, basically nothing will break with Snow Leopard.
It is not difficult to envision that changing the language to one which uses a completely different 'character' representation (unless everything is in Unicode) might result in a few more changes than just modifying a number of strings. Thus, opening the possibility of a bug to show up if you change the OS.
Really? I don't think so. Can you show me where Adobe officially supported non-current releases on new OS versions?
Yeah, I know. If all mutterings of 'things aren't what they used to be' were actually true, humanity would have been in a downwards spiral since about when they invented language.
As a recent first time buyer of an Apple computer (MacBook Pro) and being a long-time user of Windows and wanting to test out the Mac platform....this is quite disappointing how all this is going down.
For the most part....since Windows XP....most apps are compatible with Vista (except where new drivers are needed) and also which I understand...also compatible with Windows 7. And they also had incorporated an emulator per se for apps really not compatible with XP and onwards.
Snow Leopard being an "update" with a bunch of stuff changed under the hood and as well 7GB smaller....is almost coming across like it's a whole new version really....esp. where too much talk of breaking backward compatibility is out there but yet it's just a "refinement" of Leopard....??
My thinking is that since Apple made these changes under the hood only they should know (or I would think they would) the changes they make would or would not affect compatibility...and I've yet to see any formal word from Apple how it will affect existing (Leopard compatible) applications....despite whatever testing should be conducted on any upgrade to an OS.
At the same time....Adobe should really test their previous suite since alot of users have it and still on Leopard...and now wanting to go to the "updated Leopard"....it's not a new OS.....just an update, so they owe it to their longtime customers. As big as Apple and Adobe are....both of their teams should get together, sit down at the big round table and discuss and work towards making all of their customers happy and not make customers feel like they are being taken advantage of to shell out more cash because of a OS update. If Snow Leopard has been changed that much....then it should be dubbed a new OS, but it's not.
Of course...coming from Windows....this makes windows virtualization software all the more justifiable as there are more competitive software for average users (like me) on the Windows platform at a much lower price point....i.e. Serif, CorelDraw, etc.
If you are mad....the best thing to do is hit them where it hurts the most - in their back pocket.
For the most part....since Windows XP....most apps are compatible with Vista (except where new drivers are needed) and also which I understand...also compatible with Windows 7. And they also had incorporated an emulator per se for apps really not compatible with XP and onwards.
Snow Leopard being an "update" with a bunch of stuff changed under the hood and as well 7GB smaller....is almost coming across like it's a whole new version really....esp. where too much talk of breaking backward compatibility is out there but yet it's just a "refinement" of Leopard....??
My thinking is that since Apple made these changes under the hood only they should know (or I would think they would) the changes they make would or would not affect compatibility...and I've yet to see any formal word from Apple how it will affect existing (Leopard compatible) applications....despite whatever testing should be conducted on any upgrade to an OS.
At the same time....Adobe should really test their previous suite since alot of users have it and still on Leopard...and now wanting to go to the "updated Leopard"....it's not a new OS.....just an update, so they owe it to their longtime customers. As big as Apple and Adobe are....both of their teams should get together, sit down at the big round table and discuss and work towards making all of their customers happy and not make customers feel like they are being taken advantage of to shell out more cash because of a OS update. If Snow Leopard has been changed that much....then it should be dubbed a new OS, but it's not.
Of course...coming from Windows....this makes windows virtualization software all the more justifiable as there are more competitive software for average users (like me) on the Windows platform at a much lower price point....i.e. Serif, CorelDraw, etc.
If you are mad....the best thing to do is hit them where it hurts the most - in their back pocket.
this shows how little you know or can read.
the current statement ONLY references photoshop cs3, NOT the CS3 suite of apps which in the US cost $1600+. so in fact this statement by adobe is hollow and incomplete.
as for non-current releases, i've pointed out already, adobe has in fact been supporting cs3, for the last 2+ yrs that cs4 has been out, with regular updates and fixes through the updater program.
if you had read what i have been saying, i'm not suggesting that adobe fix any of the problems that may arise from upgrading to SL, just test and let the large cs3 user base they have know what they can expect to have happen if they decide they want to take advantage of SL's additional capabilities.
Adobe like Apple is out there to make money. Everyone raves about Apple's high profit margins and I applaud Adobe for possibly having one even higher. If you don't like it, don't buy it. That's capitalism for you.
Agreed. That's why many people choose to pirate their software, it leaves them in control.
This is not completely true. I'm a win switcher. And, when Vista appeared. Many softwares were not working. A name? Well, Adobe Acrobat!
Not only, but my then new HP scanner stopped working.
Adobe Sucks and Owes Us all some Respect
Yes it's even more ridiculous how this company that used to be a class act now has become the worst in the industry in the strong arming of it's captive client base into forced upgrades while not responding to any complaints, requests or feedback. Basically - They don't give a ****.
For Example:
They charge for every Tech support call if it's not within the 1st days of the $1000+ product and before you have this privilege of paying, they rout you through about 2 or 3 tech support bureaucrats in India...
When you do get the privilege of talking to an Adobe tech support person, they aren't knowledgeable to the extent they need to be for a paid call and are arrogant rude and obnoxious. Try escalating a matter or trying to make a complaint and healthcare HMO's seem like a breeze in comparison.
Many people were forced into CS4 just for the sole reason of that RAW photography is not supported in CS3 and hence CS3 was rendered useless ( EOL'd) if you needed RAW within about a year. Then they have the audacity of not providing RAW profiles for some of the most popular and widely acclaimed pro cameras in the industry, such as the Panasonic DMX-LX3.
Adobe for some years now has been giving less and taking more in general but even more so with the Mac community pros which are the ones that made Adobe the industry standard. We are always second to windows and with that market Adobe the whore goes there first. Without Apple there would hardly be an Adobe, Apple put Adobe on the map, but since they started coveting the Windows crowd they decided to join that whole mentality and started raping everyone they can and charging top dollar - Their users that is . For a company that markets the finest graphic design tools, their vanilla - packaging and bare bones manuals, are disgraceful and evidence of their detachment greed and lack of any connection or care.
We won't even get into how Flash screws Macs and Adobe doesn't know how to be compatible...
They are not a class act any more and may well end up on the short end of a class boycott or revolt one day if not a class action.
Here's urging all Adobe users everywhere: Boycott Adobe if you can and if you can't, be creative...
Yes it's even more ridiculous how this company that used to be a class act now has become the worst in the industry in the strong arming of it's captive client base into forced upgrades while not responding to any complaints, requests or feedback. Basically - They don't give a ****.
For Example:
They charge for every Tech support call if it's not within the 1st days of the $1000+ product and before you have this privilege of paying, they rout you through about 2 or 3 tech support bureaucrats in India...
When you do get the privilege of talking to an Adobe tech support person, they aren't knowledgeable to the extent they need to be for a paid call and are arrogant rude and obnoxious. Try escalating a matter or trying to make a complaint and healthcare HMO's seem like a breeze in comparison.
Many people were forced into CS4 just for the sole reason of that RAW photography is not supported in CS3 and hence CS3 was rendered useless ( EOL'd) if you needed RAW within about a year. Then they have the audacity of not providing RAW profiles for some of the most popular and widely acclaimed pro cameras in the industry, such as the Panasonic DMX-LX3.
Adobe for some years now has been giving less and taking more in general but even more so with the Mac community pros which are the ones that made Adobe the industry standard. We are always second to windows and with that market Adobe the whore goes there first. Without Apple there would hardly be an Adobe, Apple put Adobe on the map, but since they started coveting the Windows crowd they decided to join that whole mentality and started raping everyone they can and charging top dollar - Their users that is . For a company that markets the finest graphic design tools, their vanilla - packaging and bare bones manuals, are disgraceful and evidence of their detachment greed and lack of any connection or care.
We won't even get into how Flash screws Macs and Adobe doesn't know how to be compatible...
They are not a class act any more and may well end up on the short end of a class boycott or revolt one day if not a class action.
Here's urging all Adobe users everywhere: Boycott Adobe if you can and if you can't, be creative...
if you use adobe professionally for work then you should be using cs4 anyway, considering all the amazing upgrades from cs3. If you just play around with it for fun or as a hobby then either just stick with leopard or try it out of SL. Like adobe said, it works, just not to their standards of testing enough to SUPPORT it. Who cares, in a year or less they will be releasing CS5 and maybe you'll want to upgrade then.
Adobe also said 64 bit version wasnt supported on windows xp, and only vista, but they provided a work around to make it work at your own risk, and it has worked flawless for me at work. I think this whole "not supported" thing is a bit out of hand. If your company makes money by putting out new product, you aren't going to always want to support your old stuff. Supporting cs4 is a job in itself I'm sure. I realize not many feel this way... just my opinion of course
Adobe also said 64 bit version wasnt supported on windows xp, and only vista, but they provided a work around to make it work at your own risk, and it has worked flawless for me at work. I think this whole "not supported" thing is a bit out of hand. If your company makes money by putting out new product, you aren't going to always want to support your old stuff. Supporting cs4 is a job in itself I'm sure. I realize not many feel this way... just my opinion of course
Apple started the transition from PPC to Intel 4 years ago. They didn't just dump PPC support one year in like Adobe is doing with CS3. Very little code in CS3 should even be PPC code. They write to the API's which don't change. I can see certain things like plugins may have more architecture dependent code, but not the main product and those by now should have been updated. That is what CS3 was all about anyway...I don't see anyone asking for CS1,CS2 support, but CS3 is a 1 year old product!
Seriously, no developer should be complaining about updating PPC code when they've had 4 years to make the transition. That excuse in the early days of OS X was that they didn't want to throw away legacy code which led to the creating of Carbon. That is understandable, but it's been nearly a decade since then. The big boys have had ample time to do it.
I don't even believe it's an issue of legacy code. It's them trying to force an upgrade to CS4 and using this lack of support as a way to do it. Even MSFT supported NT 4.0 until 2005! 8-9 years after release...
Great way to lose sales for Snow Leopard.
I think I'll wait a while to upgrade as I currently use CS3 and can't afford to upgrade. Apple, you can thank Adobe for one less family pack sale. I am sure I am not the only one... Nice work.
I think I'll wait a while to upgrade as I currently use CS3 and can't afford to upgrade. Apple, you can thank Adobe for one less family pack sale. I am sure I am not the only one... Nice work.
Like everyone posting to this and the previous thread on this subject, I was a bit worried about SL and CS3 compatibility. SL is in the post to me and hopefully will arrive tomorrow.
Since the original post by Adobe there has been some clarification forthcoming although not the "you'll be OK" kind of reassurance that we're all really after, however I read this article earlier that made me calm down a bit:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nrcoxl
I apologise if this has already been covered elsewhere, I've read through many of the posts to both threads on Mac Rumors about this subject but not all of them.
I feel a bit more relaxed about things now...
Since the original post by Adobe there has been some clarification forthcoming although not the "you'll be OK" kind of reassurance that we're all really after, however I read this article earlier that made me calm down a bit:
http://preview.tinyurl.com/nrcoxl
I apologise if this has already been covered elsewhere, I've read through many of the posts to both threads on Mac Rumors about this subject but not all of them.
I feel a bit more relaxed about things now...
I recommend
I recommend You all just setup an pirate version of CS4, Font Explorer X etc programs needed to upgrade. Everything can be easily found from demonoid, piratebay etc.
Updating software once a year and forcing people to pay hundreds and even thousands is something that we as a user community could fight against with civil disobedience.
It's not that I don't want to pay at all - but come on, with in limits.
And as an unhappy apple user, disappointed in the performance of their new soft and hardware, I think even the 30EUR for a point something update is too much, it really should be free. And luckily even that can be found from same places, charge free. This, like the Ipod touch 3.0 upgrade for 8EUR - it's a "no brainer" to pay.
Just get everything free from the internet. You're already paying them thousands for the overpriced, poorly performing hardware.
My two cents.
Staying in my pocket.
I recommend You all just setup an pirate version of CS4, Font Explorer X etc programs needed to upgrade. Everything can be easily found from demonoid, piratebay etc.
Updating software once a year and forcing people to pay hundreds and even thousands is something that we as a user community could fight against with civil disobedience.
It's not that I don't want to pay at all - but come on, with in limits.
And as an unhappy apple user, disappointed in the performance of their new soft and hardware, I think even the 30EUR for a point something update is too much, it really should be free. And luckily even that can be found from same places, charge free. This, like the Ipod touch 3.0 upgrade for 8EUR - it's a "no brainer" to pay.
Just get everything free from the internet. You're already paying them thousands for the overpriced, poorly performing hardware.
My two cents.
Staying in my pocket.
well...you must be using some unique applications as I cannot think of one app I have used since XP that broke in Vista....and I've got all kinds of stuff...including Delphi 2007.
Anyway, that's why I said "most apps"....not "all", but drivers was/is a different story. I have Acrobat Pro v8 as well...and it worked fine in XP...and I haven't run into any issues in Vista with it. At least MS has a "compatibility mode" that allows you to emulate all the previous versions of Windows, which I never had a need for and no idea how well it works....at least it's there and still there since XP. For old kids games that were built for Windows 98/ME....this is definitely a handy feature.
I'm not aware that OSX has a "compatibility mode" feature, though, I have a pretty good feeling it doesn't, but am still learning my way around the system.
I can testify to that! I use my MBP to test the waters with every new 0.0.1 upgrade of OSX with Protools. I just upgraded my Mac Pro/Protools HD to Leopard and PT8 last week. Works like a charm.
Snow Leopard this weekend with the laptop...
Just what do you think their "extensive testing" is worth anyway? They tested CS3 "extensively" for Leopard and gave it two thumbs up, then a few days after the official release of 10.5 it turned out that if you were using Leopard + CS3 and saved Photoshop documents to a network share, the files became corrupted beyond repair. That's an extremely serious issue (it destroyed your effing files!) and dead easy to spot for anyone who used it for half an hour, yet it slipped through the "extensive testing". They addressed that with a maintenance update after a few weeks. CS3 *still* doesn't work properly on Leopard, it's a known problem that a few of the apps (Dreamweaver, Flash, possibly more) hang for a minute or two on launch unless you disable the Welcome screens, and compatibility with Spaces is dodgy at best. It's not like SL can make CS3 crappier on Mac than it already is (the Windows version always served me well, though).
Adobe are a bunch of clowns... out the companies whose software I have to use against my will in my line of work (Microsoft, Steinberg etc), Adobe are the absolute worst – yes, worse than M$. After the Macromedia acquisition they've become a complacent dinosaur that makes Microsoft look like a young sly go-getter... Adobe makes awful, insanely overpriced bloatware with barely any new features from version to version, the only thing you get is the same ancient bugs that they've left unfixed for aeons. And if you use CS on both Windows and OS X you have to buy two CS licenses (all the music/audio software I use ships with the PC and Mac versions on the same media and allow for two installations with any PC/PC, PC/Mac, Mac/Mac combo). Adobe is in dire need of serious competition that brings them down to planet Earth... or better yet, six feet under.
Oh, and their pesky little Flash plugin is the #1 source of crashes on both PC and Mac... nice job.
Nah, it's just part of their Lifecycle policy. They offer mainstream support (meaning widely available service packs, security updates etc) for a minimum of 5 years, and extended support (for business and developer products) for a minimum of 10 years. They decide on a case-by-case basis if it should extend beyond the 5/10 year marks, like they did with XP.
That's nothing like Adobe, who barely support their CURRENT products, let alone older ones...
I also believe it would stand to reason that the builders of an operating system would fully support its own hardware thats less than ONE year old. I am losing faith rather quickly in this industry. When it used to be a hefty price to pay for higher priced hardware that would last you 2 years or better seems now cheaper priced but requires replacement much more often to be fully supported.
Photoshop CS3 will run slower
CS3 PS will likely just run even slower than it already does... as OS X has to re-factor all the code to actually run... on the fly.
CS3 PS will likely just run even slower than it already does... as OS X has to re-factor all the code to actually run... on the fly.
Just what do you think their "extensive testing" is worth anyway? They tested CS3 "extensively" for Leopard and gave it two thumbs up, then a few days after the official release of 10.5 it turned out that if you were using Leopard + CS3 and saved Photoshop documents to a network share, the files became corrupted beyond repair. That's an extremely serious issue (it destroyed your effing files!) and dead easy to spot for anyone who used it for half an hour, yet it slipped through the "extensive testing". They addressed that with a maintenance update after a few weeks. CS3 *still* doesn't work properly on Leopard, it's a known problem that a few of the apps (Dreamweaver, Flash, possibly more) hang for a minute or two on launch unless you disable the Welcome screens, and compatibility with Spaces is dodgy at best. It's not like SL can make CS3 crappier on Mac than it already is (the Windows version always served me well, though).
Adobe are a bunch of clowns... out the companies whose software I have to use against my will in my line of work (Microsoft, Steinberg etc), Adobe are the absolute worst yes, worse than M$. After the Macromedia acquisition they've become a complacent dinosaur that makes Microsoft look like a young sly go-getter... Adobe makes awful, insanely overpriced bloatware with barely any new features from version to version, the only thing you get is the same ancient bugs that they've left unfixed for aeons. And if you use CS on both Windows and OS X you have to buy two CS licenses (all the music/audio software I use ships with the PC and Mac versions on the same media and allow for two installations with any PC/PC, PC/Mac, Mac/Mac combo). Adobe is in dire need of serious competition that brings them down to planet Earth... or better yet, six feet under.
Oh, and their pesky little Flash plugin is the #1 source of crashes on both PC and Mac... nice job.
I have to agree, it's ridcelous that the window and mac versions are not in the same package!