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nope but it's certainly a utility vehicle. Unless you're towing a boat i think the caddy is overkill.

aslo the newer elements are tad nicer

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But its still just a Civic on steroids....;)
 
im trying not to judge, it's just i don't really understand the oversized luxury suv market but hey to each his own. I guess that user is paying the cost to be the boss though
 
im trying not to judge, it's just i don't really understand the oversized luxury suv market but hey to each his own. I guess that user is paying the cost to be the boss though

I'm so glad it hasn't made its way to the UK in a big way. I don't know why all of these Americans are willing to pay over the odds for a car which is gonna roll over with any sort of strong cornering. I wouldn't feel safe in one.

The funny thing is that as far as I can see you don't get much extra from them. It's just like the whole car is raised a big off the standard height of a car, but no doubt the interior space is about the same as any normal family saloon.

And most importantly though, they look ugly - every single one of them.
 
I'm so glad it hasn't made its way to the UK in a big way. I don't know why all of these Americans are willing to pay over the odds for a car which is gonna roll over with any sort of strong cornering. I wouldn't feel safe in one.

The funny thing is that as far as I can see you don't get much extra from them. It's just like the whole car is raised a big off the standard height of a car, but no doubt the interior space is about the same as any normal family saloon.

And most importantly though, they look ugly - every single one of them.
and you'd be right. My mom owns a 2002 chevy tahoe which is basically an escalade, sans the luxury, and it is a terrible car. The rear seats aren't that spacious and the storage in the back is barley more than any other kind of hatchback or mid-sized suv. The car drives like a boat and feels like a tank. My sister's lexus rx350 has more front and rear leg space and equal rear storage as the tahoe. I think the escalades look kinda nice, but it's really not worth the price of the car or the fuel costs imo. But like i said, if that guy likes teh car and can afford it i think that's a good car for him
 
might as well post my car

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Presenting, the Obama:Mobile™ :cool:
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Hahah very nice. My Land Rover looks exactly like that minus the Obama support. I am sure Obama would approve of the 14mpg.

I saw McCains "Straight Talk Express" on the highway (probably driving up to NH)
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Incorrect, actually.

Yes, the Escalade ESV is just a flashy version of the Suburban. And the regular Escalade is just a Tahoe. We all know that. But, he was saying that all the Element was is just a buffed up Civic. Of which it has very little in common with, aside from engine family, some transmission pieces and some chassis stuff. Its more of a CR-V than a Civic, if you get right down to it. Yet, to him, its just a big Civic.

Thus my point that the Escalade ESV (and Tahoe, Suburban, normal Escalade, Yukon, Yukon XL and Hummer H2) is just a Silverado pickup all blinged up. They are all based on GM's GMT900 chassis platform, and share ALMOST EVERYTHING from engines to transmissions to suspensions. Hell, they even share most of the dash and many other interior parts. Aside from body panels, they are all the same. If someone showed you a picture from underneath one of these trucks, you'd be hard pressed to tell them apart. But, show me the under-side of a Civic and an Element, and I'll can easily tell them apart.

So, you are correct from a simple comparison standpoint. The Escalade is just a Tahoe/Suburban with a spray on tan and some gold chains. But, with regards to what he was referencing (the underpinnings of the vehicle), my example is much more to the point. And didn't need fixing.
 
Sarah Palin FTW! :rolleyes:
phungy ftw!
I am sure Obama would approve of the 14mpg.
The future of automobiles isn't tiny vehicles, some of us carry 6-7 people routinely in our vehicles- and we also drive quite often in snowy, precarious situations... A clean car doesn't always mean a small car- hydrogen fuel-cells for instance we recently implemented in a BMW 7 series, and those are very large, powerful vehicles. It'd be driving a cleaner SUV if I could afford one... but the small ones aren't practical and the large hyrbrids are really just smoke and mirrors- and cost 55 grand to boot. If I drove around town all day alone... I could see someone not being okay with 14mpg... but in my situation, I can completely justify it.
 
phungy ftw!

The future of automobiles isn't tiny vehicles, some of us carry 6-7 people routinely in our vehicles- and we also drive quite often in snowy, precarious situations... A clean car doesn't always mean a small car- hydrogen fuel-cells for instance we recently implemented in a BMW 7 series, and those are very large, powerful vehicles. It'd be driving a cleaner SUV if I could afford one... but the small ones aren't practical and the large hyrbrids are really just smoke and mirrors- and cost 55 grand to boot. If I drove around town all day alone... I could see someone not being okay with 14mpg... but in my situation, I can completely justify it.

Don't worry about it, I am not criticizing you. I have a Disco myself. Both my parents have SUV's. My sister has an SUV too. On average our cars get about 16mpg. That said my dad's company takes more pollutants out of the air in a week than 99% of people will do in their lifetime.

IF you're driving 6-7 people around regularly, you should get a suburban. The Discovery 3rd row is soooo cramped and hard to get in and out of.
 
Everybody should know that the Cadillac badge on the Escalade adds $20k to the price over a similarly equipped Suburban and about $10k over the just as nice Yukon Denali. Even though, the Escalade is a hot ass truck.

I'd never buy any Cadillac new; the value plummets to quick. Let somebody else take the $5-10k deprecation in the first year. Or, wait 8 years and buy a super clean Seville STS for $10k w/54k miles. That's what I did! :D
 
Everybody should know that the Cadillac badge on the Escalade adds $20k to the price over a similarly equipped Suburban and about $10k over the just as nice Yukon Denali. Even though, the Escalade is a hot ass truck.

I'd never buy any Cadillac new; the value plummets to quick. Let somebody else take the $5-10k deprecation in the first year. Or, wait 8 years and buy a super clean Seville STS for $10k w/54k miles. That's what I did! :D

i wouldn't mind owning a cts
 
i wouldn't mind owning a cts

The new CTS is an amazing car; hard to believe how Cadillac has turned themselves around in the past 10 years... amazing. However, the STS is actually the better driving car. The interior is more comfortable, more room, available V8, better ride, etc. The CTS is the real looker though; not a bad angle on the thing. However, I prefer my old Seville STS to any current Cadillac.
 
The new CTS is an amazing car; hard to believe how Cadillac has turned themselves around in the past 10 years... amazing. However, the STS is actually the better driving car. The interior is more comfortable, more room, available V8, better ride, etc. The CTS is the real looker though; not a bad angle on the thing. However, I prefer my old Seville STS to any current Cadillac.

You're crazy. ;) Handler> barge.

Different tastes so you're redeemed. Maybe.......
 
This was my old 4Runner (man I loved this thing!!!). I flipped it on a dirt road.
You didn't flip it. The 4Runner took its own life. It couldn't stand living another day with a "Husker" license plate on its front bumper. Which I think is a perfectly valid reason. HA, J/K ;)

PS - Go Hawkeyes!! (U of Iowa Alum here) :D
 
Hahahaha!!!! That had me LOL! My grandparents live in Iowa, so I'm familiar with that team....not too bad;) I was born in Omaha though, so I gotta represent :)
 
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