Playstation 4 Pro

cynics

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So the PS4 Pro is right around the corner. Who is planning on purchasing it? If so, why? If not, why not? (assuming the answer isn't because you don't have a 4k HDR TV because thats obvious).

Personally I'm pretty excited for it. I'll get the most out of my TV when it comes to console gaming. I am a little disappointed it doesn't have a UHD BD player though. I didn't really plan on getting any UHD BD's so I shouldn't be but it is what it is...

How do you guys think this will affect future console updates?

My take on it is we will start seeing a new console every year or two that just offer better graphic fidelity over the last version. And suckers like myself that love the latest and greatest will keep updating.

If that is true it makes me wonder what Sony will be doing when MS pushes out Project Scorpio. Project Scorpio planned for 4 quarter of 2017 will supposedly be more powerful than the PS4 Pro however if we start seeing incremental updates whats to stop Sony from pushing out an even more powerful PS4 Pro 2?

All devs will need to start doing settings the graphic quality on a per console basis. This is already what the end user does on a PC, which many already have recommended settings based on installed hardware.

What are your opinions on this?
 

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So the PS4 Pro is right around the corner. Who is planning on purchasing it? If so, why? If not, why not? (assuming the answer isn't because you don't have a 4k HDR TV because thats obvious).
I'm tempted to get one for the improved performance at standard HD resolutions, since I don't own a 4K TV yet. But! I'll probably just wait until either my PS4 dies or I need a second one.

And, if there are benefits with VR. I'm closer to getting VR than a 4K TV.
 

gkarris

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Probably not worth the $ just to play a few of their exclusives.

I'll wait until this is down to $249...

Waiting to play their exclusives a long time also pays off as they end up used for around $8.
 

Relentless Power

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I'm tempted to get one for the improved performance at standard HD resolutions, since I don't own a 4K TV yet. But! I'll probably just wait until either my PS4 dies or I need a second one.

And, if there are benefits with VR. I'm closer to getting VR than a 4K TV.
Agreed. I would first purchase a 4K T.V. Then I would consider a PS4 Pro. And starting off, There wouldn't be that many titles out yet, Which would evolve over time.
 

Taustin Powers

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I will wait for user reports. I have two big questions before I drop any money on it:

1. How big is the difference in visual performance really?

2. How loud do the fans get when the system is under heavy stress?

I am just so happy about how quiet 1216A revision is. A quiet system may actually be more important to me than a slight visual upgrade. And I am almost certainly returning my VR, so any benefit in that department is irrelevant to me.
 

Cnasty

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I heard it is behind the Xbox 1S if you will in terms of 4K ability and actual specs.

Is this true at all?
 

cynics

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I heard it is behind the Xbox 1S if you will in terms of 4K ability and actual specs.

Is this true at all?
No, not even close. The One S is finely on par with the current PS4 performance wise. The PS4 Pro is ~2.5x performance bump over that.

All the Xbox One S is doing is upscaling to 4k whereas the PS4 Pro is rendering at higher resolutions specifically implemented by the developers.

It does however have the added ability of a UHD BD player though which is nice.

The next Xbox currently codenamed Project Scorpio due out late 2017 is supposed to be a powerhouse.
 

Cnasty

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No, not even close. The One S is finely on par with the current PS4 performance wise. The PS4 Pro is ~2.5x performance bump over that.

All the Xbox One S is doing is upscaling to 4k whereas the PS4 Pro is rendering at higher resolutions specifically implemented by the developers.

It does however have the added ability of a UHD BD player though which is nice.

The next Xbox currently codenamed Project Scorpio due out late 2017 is supposed to be a powerhouse.
Hmmmm, I must have heard wrong. I thought it said something along the lines of the PS Pro will not natively use HDR 10 and have to upscale all of its content including gaming and streaming.

Thank you for clarifying!
 

Trusteft

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The reason I am NOT planning on getting PS4 Pro is because I have the regular PS4 and it will run all games. I know that sooner or later there will be a PS5. When PS5 is about to be released, I will buy a PS4 Pro Slim (bound to happen), but not before. I will then keep it in case my regular PS4 dies.
Unless of course PS5 is backwards compatible, in which case...I don't know.
 
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Floris

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The reason I am NOT planning on getting PS4 Pro is because I have the regular PS4 and it will run all games. I know that sooner or later there will be a PS5. When PS5 is about to be released, I will buy a PS4 Pro Slim (bound to happen), but not before. I will then keep it in case my regular PS4 dies.
Unless of course PS5 is backwards compatible, in which case...I don't know.
What are the odds of ps5 being bwc?
 

Trusteft

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What are the odds of ps5 being bwc?
I don't know what BWC is. I googled it and the first result from urban dictionary doesn't make any sense.
If someone tells me what bwc means in your question, I will be able to answer.

EDIT: ok you meant backwards compatible. Chances are small if you consider the recent past, but, on the other hand PS5 will probably be of similar architecture as PS4, so chances are not zero either. IMO of course.
 

Floris

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"Unless of course PS5 is backwards compatible, in which case...I don't know."

.. bwc.

I just abbreviated it. Sorry, lol, that you ended up UD (i mean urban dictionary)
 
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gkarris

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The reason I am NOT planning on getting PS4 Pro is because I have the regular PS4 and it will run all games. I know that sooner or later there will be a PS5. When PS5 is about to be released, I will buy a PS4 Pro Slim (bound to happen), but not before. I will then keep it in case my regular PS4 dies.
Unless of course PS5 is backwards compatible, in which case...I don't know.
If the PS5 bwc is anything like PS4 bwc, Sony will make you have to buy or "rent" all your older games over again in order to play them on the PS5 (like with PSOne, PS2, and PS3 games on the PS4).

Just sayin'...
 

Trusteft

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If the PS5 bwc is anything like PS4 bwc, Sony will make you have to buy or "rent" all your older games over again in order to play them on the PS5 (like with PSOne, PS2, and PS3 games on the PS4).

Just sayin'...
I don't doubt it, which is why I am not going to rely on a PS5 to play my PS4 games. :)
 

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If the PS5 bwc is anything like PS4 bwc, Sony will make you have to buy or "rent" all your older games over again in order to play them on the PS5 (like with PSOne, PS2, and PS3 games on the PS4).

Just sayin'...
I think BC is going to be a thing of the past.
The Switch certainly won't be BC with Wii U or 3DS games, but I imagine they'll have a similar huge discount like what they had with Wii-owned titles.
Sony? Who knows. It's strange that they haven't at least brought over PS1 and PS2 games. I was hoping for the PS4 would be updated to run Vita+PSP games at some point but I doubt we'll get any BC at all. I really hope MS will shame Sony and Nintendo with that.
 

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I think BC is going to be a thing of the past.
The Switch certainly won't be BC with Wii U or 3DS games, but I imagine they'll have a similar huge discount like what they had with Wii-owned titles.
Sony? Who knows. It's strange that they haven't at least brought over PS1 and PS2 games. I was hoping for the PS4 would be updated to run Vita+PSP games at some point but I doubt we'll get any BC at all. I really hope MS will shame Sony and Nintendo with that.
The future is streaming older games.

For Sony, it is PlayStation Now.
 

gkarris

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The future is streaming older games.

For Sony, it is PlayStation Now.
SONY'S future is STREAMING.

This is games, movies, music, everything...

Nintendo and MS will stick with downloads - who has that kind of bandwidth?

AT&T is getting rid of my old DSL line with unlimited data, and "upgrading" me to slightly faster internet, with low data caps....

yay!!!! /sarcasm
 

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The future is streaming older games.

For Sony, it is PlayStation Now.
Not really. Sony saw a chance to make more subscription-money in a market where people are happy owning nothing. The future is unified hardware where updates are just speed bumps, with new peripherals and devices.
 

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Not really. Sony saw a chance to make more subscription-money in a market where people are happy owning nothing. The future is unified hardware where updates are just speed bumps, with new peripherals and devices.
Referring to Sony probably not making the PS5 backwards compatible to PS4 games.
 

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Over 2X the graphics power as PS4. The CPU should be around a third faster.

So, around 2X faster gfx than the top rMBP. Plus console optimization.
 

Porco

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I was seriously considering getting one at launch, until the announcement that it had no 4K UHD disc playback. An asinine decision that will have certainly cost them sales, IMHO.

I might get one later, when it's cheaper / if they add UHD playback in a future revision.
 

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I was seriously considering getting one at launch, until the announcement that it had no 4K UHD disc playback. Asinine decision that certainly cost them sales, IMHO.
If it had that and Blu Ray 3D I might have bought one, even if I do not really care about consoles. But it would not be region free for movies.

And it should have SACD too, otherwise I cannot get rid of my player.
 

Porco

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If it had that and Blu Ray 3D I might have bought one, even if I do not really care about consoles. But it would not be region free for movies.
I think 4K UHD discs are not region locked actually. And to be honest, a high percentage of 'normal' HD Blu-rays are too (certainly not all, but much more compared to DVD). The XBox One S does 4K UHD disc playback, but I just can't bring myself to buy a MS device (semi-joking :p), and I'm all in on PS4 games now anyway.

I think the PS4 Pro will do 3D BD playback (not sure, anyone else?), the PS4 didn't initially do 3D BD but it was upgraded to do it fairly quickly.
 

cube

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I think 4K UHD discs are not region locked actually. And to be honest, a high percentage of 'normal' HD Blu-rays are too (certainly not all, but much more compared to DVD). The XBox One S does 4K UHD disc playback, but I just can't bring myself to buy a MS device (semi-joking :p), and I'm all in on PS4 games now anyway.

I think the PS4 Pro will do 3D BD playback (not sure, anyone else?), the PS4 didn't initially do 3D BD but it was upgraded to do it fairly quickly.
I already have a 3DBD/SACD player. Without UHD the PS4P it is pointless.

The selection of region free BDs is very limited. With DVDs at least you could get a cheap Chinese player.
 
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