Ha ha ha well it's seems you are a little annoyed with me having an opposing view, it's never worth getting that annoyed on forums mate see ya later enjoy whatever machine you buy.
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Please try harder Apple, -I just got a dell
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Ha ha ha well it's seems you are a little annoyed with me having an opposing view, it's never worth getting that annoyed on forums mate see ya later enjoy whatever machine you buy.
Why? To share their displeasure with Apple, over the poor choices(opinion, obviously) they have been making.
I've frustrated as hell with Apple. And Apple ][+ was my first Apple machine. Since '98, I've had 4 MBPs plus G3, G4, G5, and 2 iMacs. Apple has never been further away from what I want in a computer, than since the dark years of '90-'97.
But you expect people who are unhappy with Apple's direction, to simply shut up. Sorry, not going to happen.
I have to replace two - 2008 iMacs this year. AIOs are DOA for me going forward, so a new Mac Mini will be the only option that can come close. If Apple pulls another downgrade, like they did with the 2014 Mini, then I'm simply out. But according to you, I should just shut up about Apple turning it's back on the things I want in a Mac, right?
I have a 2010 Mac Pro. 6-core 3.33Ghz 32GB of RAM and a GTX 980 that I only notice a difference in Bootcamp
I have a system that I built in 2015. 6-core NEWER PROCESSOR GENERATION 3.33Ghz, 32GB of RAM and a GTX 1080.
My render times are IDENTICAL on both systems. 3.33Ghz is 3.33Ghz. I severely regretted spending $2,000 for a custom build computer when it did NOT perform like it. My 1080 is only beneficial in gaming.
For all tasks, my 2015 custom built computer with a MUCH "better" processor and RAM at the time (and SATA 3 and all the other stuff) is not much faster than my 2010 Mac Pro even today.
But Apple HASN'T made any poor choices. Apple has made MAGICALLY WONDERFUL choices!!! You can choose to share YOUR displeasure all you like: scream it to the rafters for all I care.
But to come to a pro Apple website [seriously, Macrumors is as potentially toxic as it gets] and whine about how "this is junk because it's not what *I PERSONALLY* wanted....."
Hence the term "trolling". Because these comments do not convey any kind of constructive dialogue, simply complaint after complaint of "it sux cuz I said so". As such, you're not expressing an opinion you're venting your frustration.
This is the same thing as the O/P: no constructive input, just "F' this, I got a DELL!" -- Great, go tell all your friends, call Apple, Call Ive and crew.
in short, I ABSOLUTELY think you should "just shut up"--at least here. I know it's mean, it's harsh, and I'm sure to stir {RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE} for being so obtuse, but: you're essentially walking into a forum of Apple lovers and inferring we're all stupid because we like what you don't. If you have legacy use cases, go buy a Pentium 4. . or maybe an 8088 with legacy ISA boards and IDE 4200 RPM 20 MB Hard drives.
Seriously, it's stupid-- it's like calling a Ferrari a PoS because the base line Hyundai Accent has cup holders and the Ferrari doesn't.
the TL/DR? If you expect me to respect your opinions, have at least .001% constructive in them. I can't STAND people who {expletive deleted} just to {expletive deleted}
/soapbox
Opinion.
You think yours is better than ours.
QED
The reasons why, fill up dozens upon dozens upon dozens of threads all over Macrumors.
Sorry, I came back to point out that obvious bit of foolishness. I'll leave again now.
Dangit!!! Back one more time.
I think I originally misread your post as being serious. when in fact, it has to be trolling itself, given this part of the response.
If not, you have completely failed at being on internet message boards.
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Don't tell you how to do your job? There are many like you?
No one is telling you anything, but don't make stuff up. "Many like you" as in all of the terrorists that are pouring into the country?
Let's stop the nonsense. Two top notch post production houses (here in LA and in NY) are using these machines on field jobs. So let's be VERY honest and admit that such work demands more of these machines than 99% of the users out there. As I've pointed out, my associates use these for Red systems and feature work. How many here are shooting a feature film this week?
This "many like me" comment really equates to this:
"I don't like the new touch bar and I want everyone to agree and not like it with me."
Well, sorry. That's just silly. The reality, if you're honest, is that most people will be fine with these machines. In fact, MOST people drop fine with an Air and a 15" tMBP is crazy overkill. But we have a few here who are just intent on belly-aching and raining on the parade with silly comments. The tMBP is a top rated laptop. It's likely the best built as well. Like any other laptop I've used, it has flaws in that it can't be all things for every user.
A few hundred people complaining about a product like this is simply insignificant because it happens with ALL laptops.
Sorry to rain on the parade of folks trying to rain on the parade, but it's marching on. If the Dell or HP or TRS-80 works for you, great! Go create something worthwhile with your machine and be productive.
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Sure they have
Smaller batteries, not including a dongle with the new MBPs, using 5400 rpm drives in iMacs, not updating Mac Pros in years. Telling us it took courage to remove the headphone jack in the iPhone 7 but were not courageous enough to remove it from the MBP. I could on, but you get the point. Apple, isn't alone in this department, MS, Dell, HP all make poor choices as well.
Um....because it is? The issues people had were just due to software issues (keeping the dGPU alive when it did not need to be). I am able to get 17 hours of battery life on my laptop. I cannot get that on my older ones.
Sometimes the numbers do not mean anything. Do you think the first generation i7 3Ghz is better than a Kaby Lake at 2.8Ghz?
Not a good idea. Criticism is fine. But those who criticize should be factual, or expect their complaints to be refuted and dismissed.
Not good examples.
As has been pointed out many times, even in this thread, the smaller battery wasn't a choice based on preferred size, it was a necessity due to the failure of a larger one. Further, it still provides better battery life than the previous model for the 15" model at issue here. Good choice.
What dongle of the dozen possible should Apple have made everyone who buys a MBP pay for? Good choice not to pick one and make people buy it whether they want it or not.
The iMac offers other options for those who don't want a 5400 rpm drive.
No one has been able to explain what great advance in chip technology has called for an update to the Mac Pro.
Can't tell what bad choice you think was involved with the headphone jack.
What people assume to be bad choices are often not understood in full context.
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Um... WHAT? So you had to replace two 8/9 year old computers? Wow! That is not a very long time at all for the computer to be working! /s
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Also, the Surface Studio (which a lot of people here think is an iMac killer) comes with 5400 RPM drive with a 16GB SSD.
Every aspect of my 2016 MPB is superior to my 2015 MBP, but it doesn't do dishes!
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[doublepost=1488483263][/doublepost]No matter WHAT Apple did, there would be folks complaining.
This is no different than ANY other release, though we have some people here with serious selective memory issues.
Most owners seem to like the new machines, especially after a few weeks of adapting to the changes. Most of the complaints come from people who don't own it or only tried it.
There is a small group who owned it and didn't like it, so they took advantage of the return policy and will wait or buy something else.
So where's the pain and agony coming from? Is this such a huge issue?
2016 Touch Bar machines are, in my view, the best laptops OVERALL in production. I can easily and accurately state that most owners agree. I have yet to see anything else that checks as many boxes and Windows 10 is STILL bloated and cumbersome compared to Apple.
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[doublepost=1488483263][/doublepost]No matter WHAT Apple did, there would be folks complaining.
This is no different than ANY other release, though we have some people here with serious selective memory issues.
Most owners seem to like the new machines, especially after a few weeks of adapting to the changes. Most of the complaints come from people who don't own it or only tried it.
There is a small group who owned it and didn't like it, so they took advantage of the return policy and will wait or buy something else.
So where's the pain and agony coming from? Is this such a huge issue?
2016 Touch Bar machines are, in my view, the best laptops OVERALL in production. I can easily and accurately state that most owners agree. I have yet to see anything else that checks as many boxes and Windows 10 is STILL bloated and cumbersome compared to Apple.
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Whether you like them or not, they are examples across multiple product lines of Apple's poor choices.
Huh? It's not a matter of liking them or not. Rather I clearly gave reasons in each instance why they aren't good examples. If there's some error in what I said, please point it out, but your response as it stands is mere hand waving.
Battery Health 2.
Works well, but of course it also drains battery by checking it. Thus far it's been very accurate.
Battery life on the touch bar is now falling into the amazing stage, even for video.
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But we're talking about the current MBP.
There are few "poor choices" with these new machines for most users. The only one that holds any water for the masses is the loss of the SD slot...which just seems strange to me.
Other than that....home run for Apple and more improvements than I ever hoped for. I still don't even get how they could fix the screen, make speakers, keyboard, battery life, and track pad better and then add the touch bar with a tiny price bump. It's an amazing leap for the money.
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My point was refuting another members assertion that Apple only makes magical decisions and no poor decisions (my sarcasm meter is broken so I couldn't tell if he was serious or not).
I agree that for the MBP there were a handful of poor decisions, including the SD card slot as you mention.
Interesting. At least in this comment I thought product/industrial designer's are more interested in the balance of UX and aesthetics of a product over the ispecs of a product.
Not a new macbook owner myself but what desired output are you unable to produce with the macbook vs the dell?
Another poor example. By what objective standard is that a poor decision? I don't doubt that Apple, like other human institutions, makes poor decisions sometimes, but people way too easily assume a decision is poor merely because they don't like it personally.
I agree many of these decisions can be somewhat subjective, take the SD card slot that you mentioned. I agree its removal represents a poor decision, but yet for a web developer who never uses it, will disagree.
I think in many cases things like Apple promoting a decision on one platform (removal of the headphone jack) and its inclusion on another is inconsistent and possibly a poor decision on there part. Continually using 5400 RPM drives is another example that cannot be easily explained away, its a poor decision. Sure you can "upgrade" during configuration but the fact remains that many people buy stock computers from apple and having them subjected to inferior drive speeds is a poor decision. If you must use a hard drive, why the heck not use 7200RPM drives.
Yes, notice I said that they were not the ONLY Macs in my house.
My son is using one to play youtube videos and play minecraft. He is staring to use hte computer more, and would be the reason it has to be replaced. The other is an old work machine that I've been putting off transitioning all contents to my MBP(2012 cMBP upgraded with 16Gigs of RAM and SSDs). But the point is that the iMacs performed admirably for years, with both storage and RAM upgrades.
These iMacs represents the golden age for Mac computers. Machines comparable to PCs, with an Apple tax of only $100-$200. They are also user serviceable, and could grow with a family/business as the needs changed. The replacement machines would certainly not last nearly as long, UNLESS I spends extra $1000+ to max out the specs upon purchase.
Mac can't do that anymore, sadly.
As I said, I don't want another AIO machine. Resolutions are changing so much, that I don't want to spend tons of money on a monitor, which would have to be throw away quicker, given all the glued in components.
Sorry if my needs/wants do not match yours. But they don't.
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Perhaps it was for real estate, but I suspect it was more likely because of this:
http://www.diyphotography.net/camera-sales-report-2016-lowest-sales-ever-dslrs-mirrorless/
"An 81% drop in camera sales since 2010."
Or perhaps it was bravery.
Was also to force people to spend $$$ to up the storage on initial purchase. No more CHEAP, infrequently used storage anymore!!!Perhaps it was for real estate, but I suspect it was more likely because of this:
http://www.diyphotography.net/camera-sales-report-2016-lowest-sales-ever-dslrs-mirrorless/
"An 81% drop in camera sales since 2010."
Or perhaps it was bravery.
I'm not sure I follow. I don't frequently use SD cards, but how does removing the SD card slot force user to spend more $$$ on initial purchase?
Is the loss of SD slot really that big of a deal? While I am not a professional photographer, I do take a ton of photos and some action cam videos and I can't say that I have really missed the slot. Never fit CF cards and the micro-cards you had to remove and put into an adapter. I find it just as easy and in some cases easier, to just attach the cameras via cable, than to remove them from their protective cases to get to the card and then have to use an adapter for the micro or a reader for the CF anyway.
Perhaps if they were going to keep a slot, maybe the microSD would make as much sense as anything, with the GoPro and drone markets?
Perhaps if they were going to keep a slot, maybe the microSD would make as much sense as anything, with the GoPro and drone markets?