Its not a huge deal, but it does impact me, now I need to ensure I pack a card reader, just one more thing for me to forget
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I don't think anyone is saying that it is. It's 1 example pulled out from the broader discussion of Apple's decision making and changes to the latest MacBook Pro's.
I believe @maflynn 's point was that this was, in his opinion, one of many misguided choices on Apple's part, while @Sanpete was saying that it was a justifiable decision based on the market and the average user's needs.
Its not a huge deal, but it does impact me, now I need to ensure I pack a card reader, just one more thing for me to forget
I just pack a USB-C to USB adapter, but I am already carrying a bunch of USB to Micro, to recharge the action cams, Sena Helmet comms etc. I suppose if I really wanted the reader, I would buy one of those hubs that attach to the side and have the SD and MicroSD slots, but I really do find them an annoyance to remove.
Headphone jacks too. Can't say I would ever miss them on a phone. Nothing annoys me more than having a cable tethering my head to the phone, since when I want to listen to music, it's during some kind of activity. Love the wireless Bluetooth and have a bunch of those cabled headphones still in their original wrap. But that's me.
I never use the one on my laptop. I forget it even has one, but don't some folks use it for connecting to an audio source? Dunno
No laptop is going to do well under load. Having powerful hardware with a legally maxed out 99.9Khw battery means that you are looking at 1-2 hours tops. However, you are completely missing the point. The purpose of a laptop is not to last long under load (that is impossible unless you severely limit its power in the first place, which again is not really the point), its purpose is to last long under mixed use. And the 2016 MBP excels at it.
The handful is pretty small.
For a majority of users these are terrific machines, perhaps the best they'll own. There will always be someone somewhere who needed something different.
I don't miss MagSafe. USB-C is an obvious upgrade in simplicity and versatility. Battery life is great, not even sure what I'd do with more. Screen is gorgeous. Keyboard is the best I've used. Jury is still out on Touch Bar, but it's FAR too early to have a verdict and the potential is there.
It does everything better than last years machine (which everyone seems to think was excellent), so there's a major disconnect when I see negative and often fact-free posts attacking the tMBP. I own three of them and I LOVE to complain. If they were deficient, I'd lead the charge against Apple like Ash in Army of Darkness!
But I'm sitting here with the 15" and it's a beautiful machine. It looks and feels great and handles my pro photo work with ease. And a better screen, trackpad and keyboard all contribute, just as the fast SSD does. I only want the SD slot back so I can have extra drive space without carrying my Samsung SSD, which I admit is no bother at all to carry.
My list of "complaints" about the new Mac's are fairly petty, so I'm on board with the over-the-top "magical" statement because these new laptops do indeed work rather magically.
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Perhaps so. I just can't imagine those being deal breakers that would cause someone to jump ship. So I was curious as to how big a deal the loss of that slot was to the majority of buyers. Note: also not inferred that the loss of SD slot was the primary reason for the OP jumping ship
I think you should also remember that not everyone is you either. It's great that you find no fault in the new MacBook Pro however not everyone feels that same way. Careful that your not assuming the handful is small unless you have special info not privy to others.
Yes, notice I said that they were not the ONLY Macs in my house.
My son is using one to play youtube videos and play minecraft. He is staring to use hte computer more, and would be the reason it has to be replaced. The other is an old work machine that I've been putting off transitioning all contents to my MBP(2012 cMBP upgraded with 16Gigs of RAM and SSDs). But the point is that the iMacs performed admirably for years, with both storage and RAM upgrades.
These iMacs represents the golden age for Mac computers. Machines comparable to PCs, with an Apple tax of only $100-$200. They are also user serviceable, and could grow with a family/business as the needs changed. The replacement machines would certainly not last nearly as long, UNLESS I spends extra $1000+ to max out the specs upon purchase.
Mac can't do that anymore, sadly.
As I said, I don't want another AIO machine. Resolutions are changing so much, that I don't want to spend tons of money on a monitor, which would have to be throw away quicker, given all the glued in components.
Sorry if my needs/wants do not match yours. But they don't.
Resolutions are WHAT???
2K, 4K, 5K, 8K...but old 1080p is just fine for the highest end of photography and I just watched a 13 million dollar feature film get cut and sound-edited on 1080p screens. And my friend is cutting 4K footage on 4K monitors for a school project that cost less than a grand to make.
So what are you talking about? Professionals (and students and hobbyists) buy what they need. We don't avoid buying tech because it may get outmoded.
And we don't get too worried about longevity either. If you're successful, or want to be, I strongly suggest not worrying about how long a little laptop is going to stay relevant.
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That's my point. It's not a clear example of a poor decision. It's something some people rightly miss, and some people rightly don't.
Possibly? Not clear how that's a poor decision either.
7200 costs more. People can get whatever speed they're happy with. 5400 is enough for some people, who may not want to pay more to have a 7200. The iMac is a very versatile tool that's used by everyone from very light users to pros.
Objectively poor decisions are a lot harder to find than things we personally may not like.
I do have that info. I'm not going to open a floodgate, but let's just say I know something about sales and return rates of these machines in NY, LA and Chicago.
I understand that a small group is not happy, but some of that is based on factors such as...
1) Can't afford the new machine, so may as well bash it.
2) Own a LOT of legacy devices without moneys to upgrade.
3) Fine with current machine, so may as well bash the new one so you feel better about the old one!
I predict that the 2017 MPB will be an even bigger hit and many of the haters will suddenly proclaim "Apple got it right this time!" But that update will actually be pretty small and meaningless to them. By that time they'll have adapted to the ideas of the new MBP and be looking for a way to buy one without feeling silly.
Deal breakers on a 2016 15" Touch Bar? In practical terms, what could they be for the 99.8% that Apple wants to sell to?
Answer: Learning curve with USB-C ports and the loss of the SD slot.
That's a PRACTICAL and non-emotional answer based on external data.
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Perhaps it was for real estate, but I suspect it was more likely because of this:
http://www.diyphotography.net/camera-sales-report-2016-lowest-sales-ever-dslrs-mirrorless/
"An 81% drop in camera sales since 2010."
Or perhaps it was bravery.
Yeah, I think part of the decision is based on changing formats in photography. People are using phones more now, which often still use SD cards. But the storage cards are changing, and I don't think old readers will be able to read the faster new cards.
Actually, it was classic trolling: OP makes a provocative post, then never returns to thread to debate.
OP did post a couple more times, though without adding much. I don't mind that kind of post, if the poster is open to reason and contrary facts. Not clear if that's the case here.
Try again. He's been a member of MRF since 2004 and has posted in this thread again several times. I'd suggest putting forth a little more effort before leveling accusations against forum members.
Check posts 4, 19, and 124.
Fair enough. I don't think 3 posts out of over 100 qualifies as having a debate though.
If you actually read what I was posting, you would know I was talking about...
- a desktop - specifically Mac Mini
- the inability to upgrade Macs - Everything is glued/soldered in
- Longevity one USED to have with Macs, in that we were able to upgrade them as we grew
- how people used to buy macs(to upgrade as needed), versus the way Apple is forcing us to buy now - Max specs you will EVER need over the lifetime of the machine
- resolution changes are such that tying a monitor to the computer is rather silly these days, which is why I talked about going from an iMAc to Mac Mini - which will sadly never see a compelling release from Apple, ever again
I look at it that it's a poor decision on Apple's part because they are confusing the customer, to have a headphone jack removed from one device and then not across the line (especially on a brand new model released after that implication) is a poor decision. Apple has always been about doing things across the board, they tout about it at keynotes, do this on one device it works or flows to the next etc.. It's the consistency that is throwing off the customer base and making people think was this a good decision or poor? Don't get hung up on what a poor decision might mean to you vs others.
When was this announced? And when did Apple start soldering the SSD in the Mini?
There was room for it on one and not the other. Is that confusing? Even if it were confusing (and it isn't to me), that wouldn't imply it was a bad decision. There were good reasons to do different things.
Yet some would perceive that because the headphone jack remained on the MBP that Apple didn't want to receive any more negative feedback about having to use an adapter. This is most likely incorrect but that is what the public may perceive. Why have we been instructed to use USB-C instead of a mini headphone jack and then go back to the old style on a brand new device. There are 4 USB-C connectors couldn't one of them be used to covert for a headphone input?
I remember seeing so many u tube videos about the new MBP and so many reviewers said oh and look Apple decided to keep the headphone jack, interesting. It's the inconsistency that plays into people judging that this might have been a poor decision.....too early for USB-C conversion into a headphone jack or leaving the old style jack on a brand new device step backwards or they don't know which way they want to implement this across product lines?
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I remember seeing so many u tube videos about the new MBP and so many reviewers said oh and look Apple decided to keep the headphone jack, interesting. It's the inconsistency that plays into people judging that this might have been a poor decision.....too early for USB-C conversion into a headphone jack or leaving the old style jack on a brand new device step backwards or they don't know which way they want to implement this across product lines?
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No I think your missing my point. It doesn't matter if there was room or not if Apple is going to want to make the consumers grab onto their concept of having to use the USB-C port on your phone for the headphone jack then they want to do the same across product lines, leave no room for confusion or wonder/question is this a good idea. Having room would become second to the task of wanting the public to grab hold of doing things differently. Apple designs around the concept and using the old headphone jack on a brand new product is confusing.
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That some will perceive a mistake where there isn't one is pretty much my point. Even if they left the headphone port on the MBP to avoid complaints, that's not a mistake either. They had room for it. This is a matter about which there isn't only one good choice. Leaving it off would have made sense too, though I'm personally glad to have it. (The iPhone has a Lightning connector, not USB-C.)
Right, I have a 6s so I'm living in the dark ages lol
Lightening connector/USB-C = no headphone jack.
Uhhhh...yep. This is the MacBook Pro forum.
Would you like to also discuss the new Dodge Demon or my new Manley Stingray tube amp?
WOT.
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I'm sorry, but this is a HILARIOUS POST!
Anyone else confused?
Let me help. The iPhone is a MOBILE device, which means users are often driving, walking, boating, sky-diving or space-walking while using it. Much of that time a wireless headset sure makes a LOT of sense.
The MBP is a PORTABLE device, but it's not very mobile. Most folks are STATIONARY when using it, thus wired headphones are still fairly viable.
Reviewers, not bright enough to understand this highly obvious factoid, should be ignored. It's about as inconsistant as Dodge Charger not having a button to put the top down, while the VW Beetle Convertible does. Weird, right??!! I mean, both are CARS, right?!
Hope this ends any confusion.
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What does walking or stationary have to do with Apple's implementation of eliminating the headphone jack? The iPhone's removing of the headphone jack had to do with space (as far as what I keep hearing). Walking down the street with a 6s that uses the standard headphone jack makes less sense than using the lightening connector with an adapter to get the same audio? Just because someone is sitting down using their laptop doesn't mean they should be only using a mini headphone jack and not a UBS-C to headphone adapter (which is coming). I think your correlation between mobile and non mobile is a poor use of example. Many people use the MBP as a mobile device. Why lump people and devices into separate baskets to try and prove why the headphone jack remained or was removed?
Holy potato tech, Batman!
Seriously? You can't imagine why I don't want WIRES on my phone that I'm hiking, running, biking or heading for lunch with? You REALLY don't get that?
You see, this is why STUDIES are done. Hint, hint: they found that smart phone users don't want a coil of wires between them and their device.
You know what else they found? Many users of laptops and desktops use good or even high-end headphones that REQUIRE a jack. But we don't plug them into an iPod or iPhone. Some even use tube amps (guilty!).
But not with a MOBILE device, boys and girls. and THAT was why Apple felt cool-as-jazz to yank the hard jack. Were some burned? Of course. But the game plan is a bit larger than old-timers upset that their Air Buds from 2005 won't work anymore.
A Laptop is a primary system for many. It needs a headphone jack. An iPhone? Nope. Go wireless and get with the 90's.
Or get an adapter...yeah it's coming and you can live a good life with it.
This thread is just silly. Not one critical comment has made any sense to anyone except to the Dell/PC guys who make them. Enjoy your soon-to-be-valueless machines.
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I'm sorry too, because when your tirade went nowhere we suddenly ended up talking about Mac for kids.
This is the MacBook Pro forum. My car has 737 HP and goes 204 MPH.
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