Polestar is the joint-venture research wing for Geely and Volvo. They're not meant to rule the world by becoming a high-volume producer. Their work filters down to their parent companies. They have three more new models/platforms in the pipeline. How many does Tesla have while putting all of its eggs in the robotaxi basket?
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Misleading. It's not meant to be primarily a research wing for parent companies
- Lower cost affordable model to be in production this month.
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There's three already. At least two of which will be built on a new "unboxed" platform.
Then there's the redesigned Model S/X coming later this year. And, we already see a covered new Model Y performance in testing on roads.
Lastly, they have yet to finish construction on their Semi vehicle production facility.
Plenty in the pipeline.
Hope that answers your question.
Tesla is a robotics company disguised as an automotive manufacturer.
There's nothing Tesla can release that will be lower cost than the glut of used (and new current) Teslas flooding the market in North America and Europe. As for the unicorn actual low-cost model Musk has been promising for a decade, it's a classic partsbin special. Again, where is the new model?
Good thing for Musk that he got the US regulators off Tesla's back for this next test run. Still, they better perform reliably or else.
That was a good theory in March. But you might have missed that sales continued to be very low in Europe even after the Model Y lines have been converted and the new models are readily available. Also Model 3 had dropped significantly as well.
But I agree that the reason can't be that they are *suddenly* considered "outdated, cheaply made, and look hideous". That might slowly contribute over time, but the only sudden change (to the casual observer) is the CEO's politics that aren't welcome in some parts of the world. Tesla primarily has a Musk problem, not a product problem. At least in Europe, and probably Canada.
Wrong. They're literally going to release one this month.
Coming this month.
Waymo is hardly reliable. 🤣
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If Tesla is allowed to do this too, Tesla is more than fine.
I sold my Model Y after constant problems. Panel alignment issues, stinky AC even after filter changes, unresolved rattling after repeated service visits, flimsy paint job that gets scratched in automated car washes except touchless, and thousands of curb-rashed wheels across the world. But sure, it’s a superior product in every way.
The only superior product they have is the supercharger network and Musk gutted the entire team last year. Everything else is just a first-mover advantage.
It looks like at one time (maybe still) Swedish (18%) and public shares make up about 36% ownership, the remainder (64%) are two Chinese companies (both might be largely controlled by ‘Eric’ Li Shufu). And if true, Li Shufu’s connections certainly makes it less plausible that Polestar could be allowed to go anywhere as long as its core objectives are met.
That’s true, we all remember when Tesla disappeared in December of 2019 after posting billions in losses over the previous 9 years.
Really though I don’t know if Polestar or Tesla are going to be around in 10 years, but I do hope CarPlay Ultra makes it into more vehicles…
Rumors say that Polestar is revealing the new model next year: Knight Rider. With Siri and Apple Intelligence on board.
Nope. They're not at full production capacity yet. I checked early last month and the lowest cost Model Y order placed in early-may had an ETA of June 2025 delivery for Germany.
If Tesla is able to keep evading NHTSA, they will be fine. If not, it's up for grabs. Waymo started during the pandemic by doing school runs in the Phoenix suburbs. They keep expanding their footprint. They're more expensive than human-based ridesharing, but that's to be expected.
Anecdotal evidence doesn't carry much weight in this discussion.
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what does curb-rash have to do with anything 🤣 that's a user error.
I own a Polestar 2 (2022) and like hearing this. However the commitment is so vague I kinda expect this to perhaps apply to a small range of model years etc. Not getting my hopes up.
The car is great regardless. And yeah it's essentially an electric Volvo with a different badge and exterior.
The car is great regardless. And yeah it's essentially an electric Volvo with a different badge and exterior.
Tesla was investing in a high volume, low cost money maker for the company. Polestar - not so much.
lol electrek.
anyways, you argued about reliability but now you're arguing about NHTSA inquiring about something to which Tesla will respond in an appropriate manner. non-issue.
Unfortunately expanding their footprint requires tons of capital. They don't build the cars themselves, they need expensive lidar sensors which requires more power from not only powering the sensors but also the computer handling more data than needed, they need to map out the new areas they operate in and continuously update the maps to make it work.
not from Tesla. Waymo has more tele-helpers than vehicles if my memory serves me correctly.
That just proves you've never actually owned a Tesla.
4 out of 5 of those I mentioned are common experiences among 90%+ of the owners. A 10 min google search would provide all the evidence you need from the thousands of complaints on various forums.
Your "superior product in every way" claim though is only shared by those who haven't actually owned one.
Same. I do like mine. Still baffled why I have to cable it, though. They didn't offer wireless on their top '24 model.
I literally own one. Do you want me to screen record the Tesla app remote unlocking my Tesla, turning on sentry mode and checking out the cabin camera, etc...?
Show data or else it's bs.
Lol at "thousands of complaints" being equal to 90% of owners. Math isn't mathing up.
Thousands of people complain about McDonald's. Doesn't mean 90% of McDonald's customers having issues with the restaurant.
I literally own a model 3. The only problem I had was the rear camera failing which Tesla recalled and replaced for free. Other than that, I've only gone to service for tires/air filter/HW3 upgrade/and a desiccant maintenance that happens once every 6 years.
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what does curb-rash have to do with anything 🤣 that's a user error.
Most rattling noise in Teslas are from doors, rear-view mirror/front camera assembly for starters.
If you have thousands of wheels that are curb-rashed, then it's a fault in the design itself. You don't see scratched wheels on most other cars, do you?
You either own it or you don't. There's no need for literal.
You don't need to prove anything to me, just like I don't really have to prove anything to you.
Model 3s have much fewer complaints compared to the Model Y, even before the refresh. And if you're one of the lucky ones who got the "perfect" vehicle, then I definitely envy you.
I drove a rental Model 3 for a few months before my own Y and can confirm far fewer complaints. I haven’t had the S for more than a few mins, but my guess is the X would be next on that list of Teslas with the most annoyances. And the suspension was much better on some dingy old RAV4 than the supposedly improved one on my Y as well.
These are just some frustrations during my year and 7 months’ time on my Y.
You're free to confirm the issues I mentioned with a search online or just keep believing it's the greatest thing ever since sliced bread. It's up to you.
And they make a really, really compelling product. I love my p2
Polestar and Volvo should pull their head out of the sand—landscape orientation central display is by far and away better. They are stuck in the past in this regard.
The Polestar 2 platform started life in the 2018 model year as the gas Volvo XC40. So without a major refresh, they're still working with old tech on recent cars.
More options are always better, though I would probably still cable for the best input latency.
I'm not sure Polestar will be offering cars for much longer, let alone cars with CarPlay Ultra.
Do you not realize anecdotal evidence still doesn't matter? I can point to many porsche problems. Doesn't mean 90% of porsche customers are experiencing problems.
You'd need more data to prove 90% of customers experience this for starters.
I do actually. But that doesn't matter because what I see is "anecdotal" which holds just as much weight as your argument about seeing many curb rashes. Even if you found data that teslas have more curb rashes, that's not exactly a flaw in the product as perhaps fast electric vehicles simply respond faster on the accelerator pedal press which can cause more curb rashes. What exactly does that prove?
Cambridge defines "literally" as "used to emphasize what you are saying". I'm using "literally" to emphasize I own it, not as in there's a possibility of figuratively owning it. I'm using "literally" correctly here.
Then you agree you made an false accusation that I don't own a Tesla, right?
I don't see how a 2018 (one of the early Model 3s) have fewer complaints than a Model Y which was built on Model 3's platform. We would need hard data to prove one way or the other.
Not perfect. Like I said I had a rear camera that failed.
Again that's anecdotal. Your single experience and limited exposure to reviews is not representative of the majority of customers.
I am not doing the work for you. If you make a sweeping accusation, then you'd need data to back it up. Otherwise, I can simply say 90% of all prospective car buyers are looking to buy a Tesla for next vehicle purchase and they all love Elon, and I'll just leave it up to you to figure out if that's true or not. See how ridiculous that would be?
After spending the last four months with a Polestar 3, I can assure you that you are spectacularly wrong. Here's a brief list of things that are better than both the Model Y and X.
- Sound system... the B&W Dolby Atmos system in this / the EX90 is one of the best ever put into a vehicle.
- Build quality / materials - this might be the biggest difference. Better in every way.
- Ride noise / quality - top notch noise cancelling + air suspension dampening
- Handling
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