China never cancelled a project? lolSwedish-run, Chinese-funded. They’re going nowhere.
And I say that as someone who’s not a fan of Polestar, a week in a PS2 last year was one of the most disengaged and sterile driving experiences I’ve ever had.
China never cancelled a project? lolSwedish-run, Chinese-funded. They’re going nowhere.
And I say that as someone who’s not a fan of Polestar, a week in a PS2 last year was one of the most disengaged and sterile driving experiences I’ve ever had.
Not of this magnitude and opportunity. The EV market is ripe for picking. We've already seen the likes of BYD make early big strides over here, even if you're not allowed to look at these in the US (yet, just 3 years and 6 months to go). For Tesla shareholders, that's who I'd have sleepless nights about, not Polestar.China never cancelled a project? lol
Not of this magnitude and opportunity. The EV market is ripe for picking. We've already seen the likes of BYD make early big strides over here, even if you're not allowed to look at these in the US (yet, just 3 years and 6 months to go).
For Tesla shareholders, that's who I'd have sleepless nights about, not Polestar.
Past performance doesn’t predict future events, as they say.
Except it’s now almost halfway into 2025 and in Europe at least, the combination of the traditional Euro auto marques (who’ve quickly learnt and transitioned across hybrid and EV platforms), the South Korean big two, and more recently the Chinese, will swallow up the market, and force Tesla to quit, left only to outlicense (or even sell, if Musk is stubborn) their charger network. As a carmaker here, however, they’re done.
Why? Zero cachet, dwindling loyalty, boring design, poor quality engineering, shocking QC, glitchy software and awful customer service.
#1 car sold without a single TV ad purchased I might add.
You're missing the point that it is a flawed metric for this market.
Tesla sales are tanking. Globally. Advertising won't fix that. The brand is toxic. Literally millions of the people most receptive to their product (EVs) absolutely hate Tesla and Elon Musk. It will be studied for decades to come in business classes as an unprecedented example of brand destruction.No, I'm not. I clearly understand minimal models = more sold per model.
What I said still stands.
Tesla sales are tanking. Globally.
Just because they're bad at business doesn't mean they're not also bad at marketing.There have been many restructuring and consolidations happening at Geely including EV projects.
I'm not a shareholder but if I was, Tesla already has driverless cars operating on the roads today. They have yet to purchase a single TV ad. If Tesla was so demand-starved, all they need is one big superbowl ad showing their cars are driverless and it's basically checkmate.
You're not understanding. They reached #1 with zero TV ads. If they desperately needed to increase demand, any standard major TV commercial campaign would simply get the word out to those who have never heard of a Model Y.Just because they're bad at business doesn't mean they're not also bad at marketing.
First mover advantage is big, but it wears off. You'd have to know that if you're following MacRumors.
I'm understanding. Go look at the CyberFail inventory.You're not understanding. They reached #1 with zero TV ads. If they desperately needed to increase demand, any standard major TV commercial campaign would simply get the word out to those who have never heard of a Model Y.
You chose one of the smallest segments specifically to North America to represent a huge part of Tesla's sales?I'm understanding. Go look at the CyberFail inventory.
Norway is a ridiculously small outlier for various geosociopolitical reasons (size, transport infrastucture, population, government incentives, non-EU etc).new model y change over. globally.
"Tesla’s sale of new cars in Norway skyrocketed 213% in May from a year ago"
"The increase was primarily driven by sales of the firm’s revamped Model Y compact sport utility vehicle."
Norway is a ridiculously small outlier for various geosociopolitical reasons (size, transport infrastucture, population, government incentives, non-EU etc).
Meanwhile in the real world this week…
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Tesla UK sales down 45% in new blow for Elon Musk
Decline in May comes despite rising sales in wider EV industry, with the company’s hopes resting on the revamped Model Ywww.thetimes.com
Sales of new Tesla cars in Britain fell more than 45 per cent in May from a year earlier, underscoring the challenges facing Elon Musk as he renews his focus on the electric vehicle maker.
The marque’s sales declined for a fifth straight month in the UK, Germany and Italy, according to data from the research firm New Automotive. [/I]The sales decline in the UK, Europe’s biggest EV market, came as industry-wide electric car sales jumped 28 per cent.
It’s not an argument, it’s stone cold hard facts.Sorry, your argument isn't holding water here.
It’s not an argument, it’s stone cold hard facts.
Am updated Model Y isn’t going to reverse Tesla’s fortunes in Europe.
So you’re blaming a 45% loss over 5 months of the YTD in the top 3 European markets, against a 28% uptick across the EV sector, on the release schedule of a single model update? Funny how those figures also account for preorders but hey, let’s gloss over that.Yes stone cold hard facts - when Tesla doesn't produce enough new Model Ys, they can't sell as many new Model Ys. They first have to produce them.
This isn't a stone cold hard fact. That's your guess.
So you’re blaming a 45% loss over 5 months of the YTD in the top 3 European markets, against a 28% uptick across the EV sector
, on the release schedule of a single model update?
Funny how those figures also account for preorders but, hey let’s gloss over that.
"every way"Also, even if it’s still desperately clinging on in Europe by then, Tesla’s also going to have to contend with the global expansion of Rivian (an actual “superior product” in every way) in 18 months’ time.
I'm looking for a car atm so I've been trying to sit in and get familiar with all the different cars and honestly the interior of the model y was the most to my liking ( like the minimal asthetic etc) and comparing prices/financing deals they're actually not that expensive at least here.. Their whole issue is not having good publicity atm and the whole person at the helm making getting one very unlikely.They’re outdated, cheaply made, and look hideous. But sure, ignore the percipitous drop in sales the world over. Clearly everyone’s just missing out on such a “superior product.”
helloAlso, even if it’s still desperately clinging on in Europe by then, Tesla’s also going to have to contend with the global expansion of Rivian (an actual “superior product” in every way) in 18 months’ time.