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Polestar Still Plans to Offer CarPlay Ultra

germanbeer007 said:
Bankrupt soon. Tesla offers a superior product in every way.
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Bankrupt? Polestar? Owned by Volvo? Volvo being owned by Geely? Geely who produces cars branded under that name in addition to Zeekr? The Geely who’s profits increased 213% last year? The Geely that’s on the top half of Fortune’s Global 500?

Are you sure about that?
 
BuffaloTF said:
Bankrupt? Polestar? Owned by Volvo? Volvo being owned by Geely? Geely who produces cars branded under that name in addition to Zeekr? The Geely who’s profits increased 213% last year? The Geely that’s on the top half of Fortune’s Global 500?

Are you sure about that?
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Yeah sure, because funding money losing projects is something every company should indefinitely do. Should tell GM to keep Cruise alive huh? Or maybe tell Google to stop axing projects left and right
 
Graphate said:
It looks like at one time (maybe still) Swedish (18%) and public shares make up about 36% ownership, the remainder (64%) are two Chinese companies (both might be largely controlled by ‘Eric’ Li Shufu). And if true, Li Shufu’s connections certainly makes it less plausible that Polestar could be allowed to go anywhere as long as its core objectives are met.



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BuffaloTF said:
Bankrupt? Polestar? Owned by Volvo? Volvo being owned by Geely? Geely who produces cars branded under that name in addition to Zeekr? The Geely who’s profits increased 213% last year? The Geely that’s on the top half of Fortune’s Global 500?

Are you sure about that?
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I need to revise my initial post, I didn’t realize that Volvo was owned 78% by Geely. That makes the math a little more complicated, but ~78% of 18% so ~14% (78%) is Geely.
 
germanbeer007 said:
Yeah sure, because funding money losing projects is something every company should indefinitely do. Should tell GM to keep Cruise alive huh? Or maybe tell Google to stop axing projects left and right
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For Geely? The answer is… yes. That’s why they bought Lotus as well. They know it’s a huge project, but the brand name carries some prestige. They’ll lose money for as long as it takes to expand the brand into higher volume trims that actually catch on. Smart is also now a joint venture between them and Mercedes… has been for 6 or 7 years now. That’s why Smart cars are getting notably larger. Losing money on those 2 seater death traps until their SUVs catch on is fine for them.
 
germanbeer007 said:
I don't see how a 2018 (one of the early Model 3s) have fewer complaints than a Model Y which was built on Model 3's platform. We would need hard data to prove one way or the other.
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You not seeing something you’ve never owned is not my problem. Go drive a pre-Juniper or talk to any long term owners.
If you’ve never owned a Y but think your experience from driving an old 3 gives you more cred than actual long-term owner then you’re in a bubble. I don’t see a point in discussing any further.
Feel free to believe what you like. It makes zero difference to me but might come as a surprise to you should you choose to buy a Y in the “literal” future.
 
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Artemiz said:
You not seeing something you’ve never owned is not my problem.
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What you see doesn't hold much water either.

Artemiz said:
Go drive a pre-Juniper or talk to any long term owners.
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Cousin and both brothers own a pre-Juniper. Zero problems.

Artemiz said:
I don’t see a point in discussing any further.
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You still haven't shown data to back up any single statement you made so agreed, no point. Have a good one.
 
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I really know nothing much about Polestar, but saying that makes me know it's better than a Tesla which refuses to do Carplay.

I so happy I sold my Tesla last month and got a Civic Hybrid. Zippy and built much more solid feeling than my Tesla was. Just drove 600 miles in the past two days and got 48.9 mpg. Awesome car.

Edit: I'm also amazed at how much better the "drive on a highway" feature is on the Honda compared to the Tesla. The phantom braking, inability to deal with merging lanes, and the freaking out about overhead signs truly drove me to a frightened state of panic several times.
 
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germanbeer007 said:
What you see doesn't hold much water either.
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You're pitting your evidence of four against my personal experience and hundreds of posts about similar problems. Your tiniest of sample is evidence based in "facts" while dismissing hundreds of us with issues as "anecdotal".
You don't really see the irony in this?
 
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kevinlaz said:
FSD is a marketing name. There are many cars with better autonomous driving systems at this point... they just don't deceive people with the same marketing nonsense.

Sure, sound systems / handling are subjective, but also every single person would say that a Homepod sounds better than a Macbook Air. And I didn't pay more $$$, my lease is less than the equivalent new Model Y.

Infrastructure is not the car, and both cars (and many others) have access to the Supercharger network.
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What are those many cars? And what are their names? Surely it can’t be named something even more full of marketing nonsense… right? They wouldn’t dare name it something like “God’s Eye”. No way.
 
BuffaloTF said:
The ? can be explained by reading what you linked. Maple is Livan now. Gleagle’s cars are all under Geely’s primary brand mark.
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"Shanghai Maple was fully consolidated into Geely as their budget brand before phasing it out in 2010. Defunct 2010, 2022"
Gleagle - "2016 (bankruptcy)"

Hmm, a division of a Geely goes defunct/bankrupt to be consolidated. Literally what I'm saying is going to happen to Polestar.

maybe you should read it.
 
germanbeer007 said:
Competition has been coming since 10 years ago: https://fortune.com/2015/08/13/audi-tesla-samsung-lg-chem/

I'm sure competition will also deploy a Tesla Supercharger network competitor too. Oh no wait, they need Tesla's help with that. If Tesla's sales decline, Elon can just bump up fees for non-teslas at the supercharger sites 🤣

Still waiting.
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Listen as an 8 year owner of a Model S this level of defense of Tesla is extremely unattractive and not cool.

They're good cars, they have faults, Musk IS a moron - the brand would do better now if they hired a new CEO and tried to repair the damaged reputation.

It's true that not a lot comes close to Model S, i've wanted to move to a new car for a while and nothing comes close to ticking all the boxes - but the Polestar's are probably the closest and in some ways are better.

When they get CarPlay Ultra I might push the button on one.
 
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Looking forward to when Apple decide to make the default Font super thin like they did when they introduced Retina iMacs.
 
qCzar said:
There are gas cars that offer a “superior product” compared to other gas cars yet those “less superior” cars are still around.

The market can - and does - support both.
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before the iPhone, there were:
Symbian OS, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry OS, Palm OS, random linux based OS, and other proprietary OSes.

they largely don't exist anymore after the iPhone came out.

Tesla is essentially the iPhone of cars.
 
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I cannot wait to get an EV Teycan and an eventual all-EV 911 with Car Play Ultra with the default OSes of all cars being significantly better because the pressure of its existence and Android Auto.

It’s long overdue for substantial upgrades of such aspects of cars.
 
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I purchased a 2016 Honda Accord for the CarPlay. First year on the Accord. Last few years CarPlay has been crashing and freezing. I joined the apple beta program and sent in report after report of issues with diagnostics and was completely ignored. Problems only got worse. Don't plan on it working after 7-8 years, seems they don't care about early adopters. Very frustrating. Finally just purchased another vehicle.
 
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