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I know how search warrants work. I'm not an idiot.

I wasn't questioning their right to do that, I was questioning its necessity. They serve the warrant at a time when the resident is very likely to be gone (being a working man), and big surprise, he isn't there. Why not serve the warrant in the early morning before he's left for work? Why not call him to open up the house, he's a public figure and surely quite easy to find? They have control of the premises, executing a warrant isn't a time-sensitive task under those conditions. Indeed, if they really believed time was of the essence, why give him the morning to destroy evidence? No, the only reason you show up when you know the owner isn't there and then proceed to bash down his door is because you're making a statement.

This is my feeling to. There was no real need to do it as they did unless they WANTED to do it when he wasn't around so they didn't have to be accountable for what they did when nobody was watching. In fact when he did show up they made him wait outside which seems very wrong. You have a right to be present when your things are being searched.
 
WTH, stop wasting my money Apple. The police have much bigger fish to fry. :mad:

Ok, done now. :cool:

Actually, since you live in FL and this is taking place in CA, Apple isn't wasting your tax dollars. If anything, they're using mine (since I'm in CA.)...

...and I'm OK with it. ;)
 
Come on. Think of the case that the lost item is your new macbook pro with your identity inside.
If it was found with its rightful owner identified but was not returned by any means, it has no difference to steal.

You need to read my post. :rolleyes:

My post was not about the supposed rights and wrongs of this news story. Its about someone who dismisses the views of others because they did not provide evidence and then goes on to make rebuttal statements without any evidence.

Its really not that hard to understand.

On the story - I don't know if the phone was stolen, lost or dropped through the fabric of space / time. As as result I'm not going to join in with the knee-jerk comments. But I do find it ironic that people will dismiss other's comments because of the "lack of evidence" and then go on to construct their own "facts" without the evidence they claimed was needed.
 
God, I'm happy, that I'm not living in the USA.

Do you remember Apple's 1984 commercial? The fight against the Big Brother? Apple is it.

The US is already a police state. Even so more ... There will be blood.

Indeed!

Police state run by big corps.

With Apple clearly being one of the major players...
 
Why? All Apple did was report the matter to the police. It is up to the police to decide if the law has been broken and if so then to follow through to see if it is possible to prove the matter.

Because Apple is being jerks...not everything that's lawful is beneficial.
 
My position on this is clear :)

This news are just the latest thing in series of Apple draconian moves in last couple of years or so - and this news, at least in my case, were final bullcrap from them to make me decide to boycott ALL their products in the future.

Until this news I was boycotting only iDevices and from now on I am including Macs to it too.

Enough is enough!

If we are not careful with things like this, if we don't show them that we respect our collective freedom more than their crap iToy prototype that THEY LOST - than we will actively and directly support draconian agenda they are setting up.

I am not prepared to do this hence the BOYCOTT!

And sorry about my imaginative / metaphorical style of writing :)

So you want to boycott Apple and live in a non-draconian computer world, go use Windows... oh wait, Microsoft treats you like a criminal pirate and makes you jump through hoops just to use their OS which you paid for.

I don't recall ever being required to enter a serial number even once when installing any Mac OS for the last 25 years. What utter draconian bastards for treating me like a non-criminal Apple are - unlike Adobe or Microsoft or the FBI at the beginning of every DVD who treat all customers as potential thieves.

Seriously, boycott all music as well while you're at it if you truly dislike draconia, unless you're just mouthing off. Unlike the music industry, Apple never went after anyone for breaching the agreement and installing their OS on multiple computers even though they could easily know who has or hasn't.
 
Because Apple is being jerks...not everything that's lawful is beneficial.

Apple did what any person or corporation should do.

It's just that people are paying a lot more attention because it's Apple and people assume Apple wanted this warrant when really the DA wanted to investigate more.

If the iPhone has been missing for over a month Apple had to report it stolen.
 
Over a freaking lost phone? Give me a break!

Do you really hold the view that it is just a lost phone? Like on the same level as phones that are already available for purchase? Because the issue to me is not that it was just a lost phone, but that they willfully published trade secrets. This, to me, makes it a very different game. And it is why the DA is investigating.
 
Apple did what any person or corporation should do.

It's just that people are paying a lot more attention because it's Apple and people assume Apple wanted this warrant when really the DA wanted to investigate more.

If the iPhone has been missing for over a month Apple had to report it stolen.

Get the freaking government involved? If its not apple being jerks than the local authorities need to get a life...
 
Over a freaking lost phone? Are you serious?

Are *you* serious? I'm not understanding this mindset at all. Are you and others seriously equating a prototype of a product that will sell millions with the phone in your pocket?

It's a serious question. if it's just 'a phone' then why did Gizmodo pay $5,000 for it? The whole point of Gizmodo doing what they did is exactly *because* it's not just 'a phone'. Why aren't you and the others ragging on Gizmodo for spending $5,000 on just 'a phone'?

I'm just not understanding what you're basing your anti-Apple stance on, as it applies to all parties not just Apple, so you're being selective which makes it sound like anti-Apple animosity based on other reasons to me.
 
Do you really hold the view that it is just a lost phone? Like on the same level as phones that are already available for purchase? Because the issue to me is not that it was just a lost phone, but that they willfully published trade secrets. This, to me, makes it a very different game. And it is why the DA is investigating.

Espionage? Riight as if Gizmodo went into apple's facility and stole the thing.

It was a lost phone.
 
Apple is doing the right thing. I believe what Gizmodo did was illegal and its as simple as that. I am sure Gizmodo knew what they were doing and they did it for their own gain. Could Apple turn the other cheek? Maybe, but it really sets a bad precedence. Next Gizmodo will find a lost Wii 2 prototype before E3 and show it off to the world before E3.
 
Are *you* serious? I'm not understanding this mindset at all. Are you and others seriously equating a prototype of a product that will sell millions with the phone in your pocket?

It's a serious question. if it's just 'a phone' then why did Gizmodo pay $5,000 for it? The whole point of Gizmodo doing what they did is exactly *because* it's not just 'a phone'. Why aren't you and the others ragging on Gizmodo for spending $5,000 on just 'a phone'?

I'm just not understanding what you're basing your anti-Apple stance on, as it applies to all parties not just Apple, so you're being selective which makes it sound like anti-Apple animosity based on other reasons to me.

Its just a phone...value of something does not change the nature of it. Whether you spend $200 on an iPhone or $5000 on an iPhone...its still an iPhone.

Prototype? As far as Gizmodo was concerned, it was a phone...
 
So you want to boycott Apple and live in a non-draconian computer world, go use Windows... oh wait, Microsoft treats you like a criminal pirate and makes you jump through hoops just to use their OS which you paid for.

I don't recall ever being required to enter a serial number even once when installing any Mac OS for the last 25 years. What utter draconian bastards for treating me like a non-criminal Apple are - unlike Adobe or Microsoft or the FBI at the beginning of every DVD who treat all customers as potential thieves.
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Seriously ? .. you feel treated like a criminal because you have to enter a product code? .. wouldn't want to know how you feel about having to sign when paying with a credit card or using a pin code at the atm .. must be a harsh world.

Besides, Apple doesn't need product codes because they actually hard wire chips into their computers controlling that you cannot install the OS on any none Apple computer (which really is everything Apple is concerned about).

OnTopic,
I think that was a little ridiculous to acutally kick in the door of that poor chap (especially since he should be protected as a journalist). Not sure who is in the right or wrong legally and I don't care. All this mess makes Apple look bad and they should have seen that coming. Why not just suck it up and not stirr the media attention even more.

T.
 
People are forgetting that Apple never reported the phone stolen. Thus, no crime has/had been committed.

People are making claims without any proof that Apple didn't file a police report about a missing prototype. You don't have a clue what they have or haven't done. It's more than likely they HAVE reported it stolen/missing and the police knew.

And yes, the DA is allowed to investigate if he has the suspicion that a crime has been committed.
 
God, I'm happy, that I'm not living in the USA.

Do you remember Apple's 1984 commercial? The fight against the Big Brother? Apple is it.

The US is already a police state. Even so more ... There will be blood.

Yeah, Apple is Big Brother. Sheesh. I was hoping to find some intelligent discussion here, but that seems to have checked out long ago. Time to move on...
 
OnTopic,
I think that was a little ridiculous to acutally kick in the door of that poor chap (especially since he should be protected as a journalist). Not sure who is in the right or wrong legally and I don't care. All this mess makes Apple look bad and they should have seen that coming. Why not just suck it up and not stirr the media attention even more.

T.

Shield laws protect sources, not the actions that a journalist does to get information.
 
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