[POLL] Are you going to upgrade to any of the new MacBook Pros [MERGED]

[BillyBobBongo]

Is the old 15' macbook pro worth getting? I am on the lookout for a new macbook as my one is on its current last legs yet have no idea what to go for!

I think it is. Every time I configure a new 15 inch, I find myself going back and configuring the old model too. Most likely I'll order last years model, chances are that I'll try to find a deal somewhere rather than order from Apple directly.

Worth noting is that I'm coming from a 1,8 GHz Intel Core i5 from 2012, so the difference in performance will be major. Previously I only used my laptop for presenting my designs/work as I spent most of my time behind my Mac Pro (classic of course). These days I'm on the road a bit more and need something with a bit more clout.

 

[BarracksSi]

Thats like, so Pro man.

I love how some deduce the possible applications of a Mac Computer from their own usage.

Which is exactly what everyone in this thread has been doing.

 

[finalcut]

Does anyone know if the new MBP can be seen in apple store right now? Specifically in Canada

 

[Mkondrak]

Until Apple puts a quad core in a 13" (something I have been waiting for since before they put one in the 17" and then 15" ) I'm not going to upgrade to anything.

not trying to be mean or anything but are you going to put on your tombstone "still waiting for the quad core 13in MacBook Pro" ?

jokes aside, I honestly believe Apple will never put a quad core in the 13in because of how small the 13in is. and if they do, you are going to be complaining about the constant throttling (due to lack of cooling) and how Apple is doomed.

 

[mbpmo]

No

not trying to be mean or anything but are you going to put on your tombstone "still waiting for the quad core 13in MacBook Pro" ?

jokes aside, I honestly believe Apple will never put a quad core in the 13in because of how small the 13in is. and if they do, you are going to be complaining about the constant throttling (due to lack of cooling) and how Apple is doomed.

No I'm going to get a 2012 2.9 13" cMBP and stick a SSD in it and call it the last MBP I'll buy until they shrink the 15 down to 13 x 9 with a 6 core coffee lake ...

 

[fokmik]

if you dont like the macbook pro and dont use final cut there will be always Dell Precision 5510

 

[cerberusss]

I'm hoping by then there will be a big adoption of USB-C with printers, monitors and other devices.

Concerning printers, it's just a question of a different cable. For monitors, the same could be said but a real USB-C monitor would give you power as well so waiting may bring new models.

Other devices such as storage, keyboards, mice and webcam are all here _if_ the cable is detachable from the device.

I'm nitpicking a bit though. But I just wanted to show that it's not always slim pickings.

 

[boateng]

I think it is. Every time I configure a new 15 inch, I find myself going back and configuring the old model too. Most likely I'll order last years model, chances are that I'll try to find a deal somewhere rather than order from Apple directly.

Worth noting is that I'm coming from a 1,8 GHz Intel Core i5 from 2012, so the difference in performance will be major. Previously I only used my laptop for presenting my designs/work as I spent most of my time behind my Mac Pro (classic of course). These days I'm on the road a bit more and need something with a bit more clout.

Hmmm

but if you are going to spend that much it makes sense to get the newest model right?

 

[The_Nautilus]

I was disappointed by the new MacBook. So I bought a loaded 2015 MacBook Pro while I still could.

 

[FrozenDarkness]

what a leading poll. jesus christ. i hope our presidential polls aren't like this.

 

[BillyBobBongo]

Hmmm

but if you are going to spend that much it makes sense to get the newest model right?

Not necessarily, let's compare them.

2015:
2.8GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
16GB 1600MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
$2,499.00

2016:
2.9GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
16GB 2133MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Radeon Pro 455 with 2GB memory
$2,999.00

So my extra $500 gets me a new style keyboard, the Touch Bar, slightly better graphics/screen and a slightly faster hard drive. However, I've got a pair of Apple LED Displays on my desk, not Thunderbolt, one runs off my Mac Pro and the other runs my laptop. So if I buy the new model I immediately need to get a new monitor. The Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter will not work with the display.

I'm also now dealing with a 1st generation product and this has the potential to cause headaches. We've already seen that there appears to be some issues with usb-c peripherals knocking out WiFi signals in the 13" model. The Touch Bar doesn't really impress me as I use a Wacom most of the time.

So, when I add all that up my common sense says that getting the 2015 model is a better option. More so if I can find one on sale somewhere.

That's my logic at least.

 

[cerberusss]

I've got a pair of Apple LED Displays on my desk, not Thunderbolt, one runs off my Mac Pro and the other runs my laptop. So if I buy the new model I immediately need to get a new monitor.

These displays use the following connector, right?

This article describes exactly what to get:
http://www.macworld.com/article/296...nect-an-apple-display-to-a-usb-c-macbook.html

 

[fokmik]

Not necessarily, let's compare them.

2015:
2.8GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
16GB 1600MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
$2,499.00

2016:
2.9GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
16GB 2133MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Radeon Pro 455 with 2GB memory
$2,999.00

So my extra $500 gets me a new style keyboard, the Touch Bar, slightly better graphics/screen and a slightly faster hard drive. However, I've got a pair of Apple LED Displays on my desk, not Thunderbolt, one runs off my Mac Pro and the other runs my laptop. So if I buy the new model I immediately need to get a new monitor. The Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter will not work with the display.

I'm also now dealing with a 1st generation product and this has the potential to cause headaches. We've already seen that there appears to be some issues with usb-c peripherals knocking out WiFi signals in the 13" model. The Touch Bar doesn't really impress me as I use a Wacom most of the time.

So, when I add all that up my common sense says that getting the 2015 model is a better option. More so if I can find one on sale somewhere.

That's my logic at least.

neeh, you get so much better gpu, a better cpu, the best ssd, the best display, and the best port, best speakers. The main reason is the money, i guess if both costs the same your decision would be the newer device

 

[BillyBobBongo]

These displays use the following connector, right?

This article describes exactly what to get:
http://www.macworld.com/article/296...nect-an-apple-display-to-a-usb-c-macbook.html

Yes, those are the connectors. The article you linked does indeed present a solution, indicating that I may be mistaken about the backwards compatibility. I would need to look in to that further before making a final decision.

 

[idark77]

I'm going to downgrade to an 2015 rMBP 15...


And i wait that one day Tim Cook will leave Apple...

 

[SimeoneSergio]

2015:
2.8GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
16GB 1600MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
$2,499.00

2016:
2.9GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
16GB 2133MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Radeon Pro 455 with 2GB memory
$2,999.00

- Gives you a better CPU;
- WAY Faster memory;
- Definitely better GPU;
- Fastest SSD on the market;

The first 3 points are already a huge difference.
But if you just do coding then save those $500.

 

[daniel.dawson.397]

I'm sticking with my Late 2013 Retina MBP 13", which I configured with the i7 Processor, 512GB SSD and 8GB RAM. The lack of port diversity on the new model is a minor consideration. The major issue is the price increase, which is exacerbated by the value of AUD against USD now compared to when I bought my current model. I paid AU$2,499 for my current gen, the equivalent today minus the touch bar is AU$3,119, and with touch bar AU$3,479.

 

[kdm0505]

Not necessarily, let's compare them.

2015:
2.8GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.0GHz
16GB 1600MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Intel Iris Pro Graphics
$2,499.00

2016:
2.9GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 3.8GHz
16GB 2133MHz memory
512GB PCIe-based SSD
Radeon Pro 455 with 2GB memory
$2,999.00

So my extra $500 gets me a new style keyboard, the Touch Bar, slightly better graphics/screen and a slightly faster hard drive. However, I've got a pair of Apple LED Displays on my desk, not Thunderbolt, one runs off my Mac Pro and the other runs my laptop. So if I buy the new model I immediately need to get a new monitor. The Thunderbolt 3 (USB-C) to Thunderbolt 2 Adapter will not work with the display.

I'm also now dealing with a 1st generation product and this has the potential to cause headaches. We've already seen that there appears to be some issues with usb-c peripherals knocking out WiFi signals in the 13" model. The Touch Bar doesn't really impress me as I use a Wacom most of the time.

So, when I add all that up my common sense says that getting the 2015 model is a better option. More so if I can find one on sale somewhere.

That's my logic at least.

I'd factor in resale value too depending on if you plan to. You might be able to make up some of the cost on the back-end. But if you plan to use it until it dies than it doesn't matter.

 

[kazmac]

Even if I was in the market, no. Price, dongle bells, no magsafe and the most insulting thing beyond price was the utter arrogance shown by Apple's Powers that (sadly) be. I am no longer angry, just disenchanted. When I am ready to upgrade my phone and computer, I will research the competition as much as I used to research Apple.

If I needed an Apple machine to do my work, I'd buy an older model.

 

[boateng]

I'd factor in resale value too depending on if you plan to. You might be able to make up some of the cost on the back-end. But if you plan to use it until it dies than it doesn't matter.

I guess the consensus is that if you have money its best to buy the touchbar model.
[doublepost=1478469529][/doublepost]if you buy a mac with education pricing online...is apple care free? Ive heard its free if you purchase online?

 

[dark_mark]

- Gives you a better CPU;
- WAY Faster memory;
- Definitely better GPU;
- Fastest SSD on the market;

The first 3 points are already a huge difference.
But if you just do coding then save those $500.

You need to loose those 3 points. Here is why:

Here is the comparison of integrated GPU performance of 2016 and 2015 models:

New 2016 MBP 15" model uses Intel HD 530 which has performance of 441.6 GFLOPS
2015 MBP 15" model uses Iris Pro Graphics 5200 which has performance of 832 GFLOPS.

Here is the comparison of dedicated GPU performance of 2016 and 2015 models:

Radeon M370X inside 2015 Macbook Pro 15" : 1024 GFLOPS
Radeon Pro 450 inside 2016 Macbook Pro 15" base : 992 GFLOPS
Radeon Pro 455 inside 2016 Macbook Pro 15" : 1305 GFLOPS
Radeon Pro 460 inside 2016 Macbook Pro 15" : 1800 GFLOPS


In other words if you are picking a 2016 model with Radeon 450, then you will be getting much worse GPU performance all around (both integrated and dedicated) than 2015 model.

This is the first time ever, when Apple actually downgraded integrated GPU by such a drastic number.
Integrated GPU performance is probably much more important since you will be using integrated GPU like 99% of the time. And all those 99% of the time the 2016 GPU will be twice as slow as 2015 model even if you pick the most expensive 2016 model. .

 

[wegster]

not trying to be mean or anything but are you going to put on your tombstone "still waiting for the quad core 13in MacBook Pro" ?

jokes aside, I honestly believe Apple will never put a quad core in the 13in because of how small the 13in is. and if they do, you are going to be complaining about the constant throttling (due to lack of cooling) and how Apple is doomed.

Probably true, but I (not the OP you're replying to) had thought we might see smaller bezels turning the 15" into closer to a 14"/almost 13, which might have been close enough for those wanting quad-core in the 13". 12" - MacBook Air/Macbook, 14" - MacBook dual-core + Pro quad, 16" = revival for the 17" lovers, pro only.

Not to be with the thinner focus > performance, though.

 

[cerberusss]

In other words if you are picking a 2016 model with Radeon 450, then you will be getting much worse GPU performance all around (both integrated and dedicated) than 2015 model.

Personally, I think that's a good thing. Less performance, less heat. And that's a good idea when it comes to Apple laptops with discrete GPUs.

If you don't care about 3D graphics performance, get the Radeon 450 because it may prolong the life of the notebook.

 

[jongkee]

hate the new features (or lack thereof) on the new MBP but I hate Windows even more and I cant imagine myself switching back to it. Guess I'll have to wait a bit more when the price drops, USB-C catches up and at least be able to max out to 32GB RAM. Good thing my 2012 MBP (16GB RAM 256GB SSD) still works perfectly and fits my needs.

 

[The Martian]

what a leading poll. jesus christ. i hope our presidential polls aren't like this.

All polls are like this to get the results the pollster is looking for in their results. It is all about wording!

I did sales for years and let me tell you, that is all about wording too in order to get the sale. People are way to easy to manipulate!