[POLL] Are you going to upgrade to any of the new MacBook Pros [MERGED]

[BarracksSi]

The CPU is fine; The GPU is fine; I don't plan on gaming. But, 8GB/256GB as a base for $1800 is a tough pill to swallow.

I do agree with this much, yeah. I got my 13" in 2012 with a 1TB HD when I saw so many Macs switching to more expensive SSDs; I wanted more capacity to make my upgrade seem more substantial (I was using a 2007 15" modded with a 500GB drive). Today, going to any Mac laptop with a 1TB SSD is still a bundle of cash, close to a grand more than I paid in 2012.

 

[blindpcguy]

i get ya there i think they should of kept offering no retina models with hdd options and even dual hdd and sad if they really wanted to axe the dvd drive. seriously imagine a non retina nice ogpu x460e == 16gb ram with a 240gb ssd and a 1tb or higher hard drive that is the route they should of went bur i love apple they make the best kit and nothing will change my opinion on that

 

[frankgrimes]

Currently, I'm on the fence. I have a 2010 MBP that is far too slow for anything these days, and needs replaced. It's not my main machine, so I can wait it for a while as I decide what to do.

I run Windows, OSX (official and hackintosh), and Linux, so it's not like I'm going back to Windows full time. But, I'm equally disenchanted with all the other offerings from Dell, HP, etc. I can't help but think if Apple would have just brought these things out even $200 cheaper (or came standard with 16GB RAM / 512 HD), that we would all people completely (mostly) happy with the announcement. The CPU is fine; The GPU is fine; I don't plan on gaming. But, 8GB/256GB as a base for $1800 is a tough pill to swallow.

This spot on. The problem is, the non touchbar version for me is the most interesting but Apple has gimped this machine way too much, so getting on par with the 13'inch touchbar version would cost 2.399 € that's nuts for only 2 ports, a worse keyboard. I mean 2.399 is the starting price of the old 15'inch quad core beast.

Maybe a stupid question but why isn't there are a 15'inch non touchbar version? If Apple wants a premium for the touchbar of € 300 fine but at least give users that prefer a non touchbar version a real alternative.

 

[Granville]

Voted for
No. The proposed value is lacking in features or the removal of them.

Their is simply not much added compared to prev gens
In 2008 refresh you had
- unique aluminium body
- all I/O ports you could think of

In 2012 refresh you had
- a quadruppled resolution
- much better IPS panel
- a fast 600MB/s SSD that more than halved booting time and application launch time.
- 500 grams lighter
- 7mm thinner

In 2016 you get
- 2mm thinner
- 200 grams lighter
- a better screen, but not worldshocking better compared to 2008-2012 refresh
- a touch bar
- a MUCH higher price, certainly for Europe
- probably a worse keyboard if I compare my retina 15 (2013) to my macbook 12 (2015)
- less batterylife than previous gen
- lack of I/O, while usbC is the future, we still live in the present..

While I understand it's harder to innovate now,
that doesnt give reason for apple to charge higher prices.

And while prices will go down 1 or 2 gens later, this macbook will be less unique and price will again be a problem. Same problem Apple has with the new iPad Pro lineup.
Not much people want to pay that extreme premium, then price goes down, but people are less into it because its less 'new' and there are better alternatives for the money compared to a year ago

 

[rboerdijk]

Money isn't an issue for me. It's just that I don't want the hassle of adapters everywhere. 4 ports. Each time I have to pull out adapters. Ugh. Then there's the kb issue but I won't know til I try it. Dev support takes time so if you want a more supported touchbar, then give it another year.

Similar here, money isn't the issue, but that doesn't mean I'll throw money at a bad deal. 16GB isn't really future-proof enough (and definitely not for that price). Touchbar is a nice gimmick, but nothing more than that imho. I'd need at least 512GB SSD which ups the price even more. I had some dealings comparing the NVidia-980 and the ATI-480 and I the difference in speed ( windows, openGL-driver ) are big, which gives me not much faith in the dGPU options offered.

Alternatively, would have considered a non-dGPU model and added an eGPU on the TB3 ports (sure, also expensive, but then you get real GPU, which makes for a better deal than paying extra for the slightly faster dGPU-models) - but alas the cheapest 15" non-touchbar-non-dGPU model doesn't have TB3. So yeah, no go either.

Now at work I'm the one guy with preference for OSX and actually ported our software into the Appstore (so now it runs on Windows, Linux and OSX). However, Apple is obviously not caring to update OpenGL and neither does it look like they will support Vulkan (in favour of Apple's Metal). We want to focus on 1 Graphics API (less maintenance, less work) and in that context putting effort into Metal for just 1 single platform just isn't going to happen, so the most likely scenario is that the next project is going to be Windows- and Linux-only. So even in that context it doesn't make sense anymore to my invest too much time on the OSX side.

Now any single argument by itself could haven been an 'oh, well'... but the combination results in a "nope". And honestly, my 15" 2013 rMBP is still sufficient, so I'll wait a bit and see. And it does seems like a good time to get my old 2010 MBP out of storage and get some first-hand experience running Linux, to be prepared to either be extremely amazed by next years MBP-models - or jump ship to Linux or (even back) to windows.

 

[Queen6]

Update of my 13" rMBP is resolved, now replaced by Microsoft`s Surface Book, bring added functionality & utility. For my 15" rMBP I will revisit Apple in 2017, in the interim I will continue to utilise my existing Mac`s and or a desktop solutions.

I am certain for many the 2016 MBP will a good fit, personally I never thought that I would opt for a Windows system as my primary portable, let alone one produced by Microsoft, I find it all most ironic. Bottom line my is hardware used in a professional environment therefore I choose the best tools for the job...

Q-6

 

[dallegre]

I went with:
Sadly No. I intended too but I have been priced out in this new gen. Will wait for depreciation

I just ordered a MBP 15" 2015 off of ebay. That should get me by for a couple years minimum.

The prices on the 2016s just seem a little too high for what they are, and I feel like I've pushed my 2011 about as far as I want to. Frankly, I'm excited to see what these new USB 3.0 ports are all about.

 

[joeybagodonuts]

I switched to Macs about 14-15 years ago. Owned every iteration of MBP over the years, and a 1-off MBA here and there. I put off buying a new laptop for almost 2 years waiting for this update...mainly waiting for the new CPU's. Right after the keynote I instinctively preordered a MBP, which came to almost $3800 with Apple Care. Not to sound like a douche, but I can afford this kind of spend all day long, it's not going to put me into hardship. But it wore on me over the weekend, my perceived value from the new MBP did not warrant the price at all (I use it for coding, software engineering, emailing, document creation, etc). And that touch bar will be cool to look at for a day and then I suspect it'll be an unused novelty. Holy crap, am I.....am I just another brain dead, lemming fanboy?

So I cancelled my order. Bought a Dell XPS 15" with nearly same specs (and a full touch screen) for $1900. The laptop is beautiful. My main OS is now Linux and I'll dual boot into Win10 only if I need to for apps unsupported in Linux. I feel right at home and I have an extra $1700 in my pocket. This year I also dumped my iPhone for a Samsung S7, and my iPad for a Samsung tablet S2. So I'm 100% out of the Apple ecosystem now, and I don't mind at all. The world has caught up, and in some cases surpassed. The free market is working!

I didn't write this to disparage anyone who purchased. For some, their occupation or needs gives them no other options. But for those of us who can just as easily make their living and perform their tasks on a Win or Linux box...adios Apple!!!

 

[rboerdijk]

This spot on. The problem is, the non touchbar version for me is the most interesting but Apple has gimped this machine way too much, so getting on par with the 13'inch touchbar version would cost 2.399 € that's nuts for only 2 ports, a worse keyboard. I mean 2.399 is the starting price of the old 15'inch quad core beast.

Maybe a stupid question but why isn't there are a 15'inch non touchbar version? If Apple wants a premium for the touchbar of € 300 fine but at least give users that prefer a non touchbar version a real alternative.

There is, see here http://www.apple.com/de/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch

Notice the top two are with Touchbar and Touch-ID and if you scroll down, you get an axed 15" non-touchbar with 2x TB2 ports (instead of 4x TB3), memory running at 1600 instead of 2133, slower CPU and no dGPU (only Iris Pro)...

 

[sober2ndthought]

I think this guy sums up how a lot of people are feeling about Apple:

 

[ladycsr]

When it comes to the 15" model, I don't understand the people that were hoping for 100-200 cheaper prices. The difference between the highest 15" MBP setup VS. the XPS 15" is over $2000.
$200 is a drop in the bucket.

 

[Impatientmac]

I'm kind of surprised people didn't see theses prices coming. I was crossing my fingers for cheaper but prepared for the worst. Including tax I only went $200 over what I expected. Some of you have the luxury to continue waiting but I just don't. I hope this lower demand means I'll get mine sooner bc working on my friends old laptop/iPad is slowing my productivity

 

[dallegre]

I'm kind of surprised people didn't see theses prices coming. I was crossing my fingers for cheaper but prepared for the worst. Including tax I only went $200 over what I expected. Some of you have the luxury to continue waiting but I just don't. I hope this lower demand means I'll get mine sooner bc working on my friends old laptop/iPad is slowing my productivity

I think it's the SSD and RAM capacity/price points that are the most off-putting. Apple was already overpriced on these and they needed a price correction or increased capacity.

 

[Woodcrest64]

Not now. My wife has a 2011 17" Macbook Pro with an SSD for her teaching profession and it works great. My 2012 rMBP 15" does everything I need it to. I will buy if either machine stops working or I cannot do what I need it to. Hopefully for me that doesn't happen for another 2 years and by then we may see a price drop and refurbs for the Touch Bar Macbook Pros. My other hope is in 2 years we see a big adoption of USB-C as a standard for devices like printers, external storage, displays, cameras, smartphones and etc.

 

[Uplift]

Disgruntled but Yes. My love for Apple is being tested with these prices

I'm in a hard place.. I only purchased the 2015 model earlier this year, everyone thought Skylake Macs were coming in March at some event (can't fully remember..) but they didn't. I needed to upgrade an old Mac so I went for the maxed out (almost £2000) model.

I believe it's still on the old Haswell CPUs so I never intended to hold on to it forever, just until the new MacBooks.. I did not expect them to be priced so high and so limited.

I decided to look elsewhere but the truth is I am so deep in Apple's Eco-System I was probably kidding myself thinking I could move over to Windows.

My love for Apple is being tested, but a dongle isn't enough to make me switch.

 

[Hyloba]

Guys help me decide here. I ordered a 13 inch with 16gb of ram and 512gb of storage for 2290€. I could get a one year old 13 inch 2.9ghz processor with 512gb of storage but 8gb of ram for 1300€. Now I really do like the new design, but the price is steep. The 2015 one I could for sure sell for at least 1000€ in a year. But the question is if 8gb of ram is enough.

At the moment I have a laptop with 4gb and it is not enough. I always have to close all programs and limit my tabs. While 8gb might just suffice, I wonder what other people might do here in my place.

 

[circatee]

I don't recall what I posted earlier in this thread. But, after my Best Buy visit today, I can wait, no need to rush out and buy a MacBook...

 

[frankgrimes]

Holly cow just looked at the Surfacebook i7 (sleek design, great keyboard) but seriously Microsoft, seriously? 2.399 € for the 8gb, i7 DUALcore version? Are you freaking nuts? That's the pricepoint of the 15 inch MBP. SBI7 would cost me 2.799 € in my configuration that's insane for a freaking dualcore.

Guys help me decide here. I ordered a 13 inch with 16gb of ram and 512gb of storage for 2290€. I could get a one year old 13 inch 2.9ghz processor with 512gb of storage but 8gb of ram for 1300€. Now I really do like the new design, but the price is steep. The 2015 one I could for sure sell for at least 1000€ in a year. But the question is if 8gb of ram is enough.

At the moment I have a laptop with 4gb and it is not enough. I always have to close all programs and limit my tabs. While 8gb might just suffice, I wonder what other people might do here in my place.

Honestly at that pricerange I would go the extra mile and buy the 15'inch. If that's not an option I'd buy the 1.300 € one sell it for thousand bucks in a year andthen buy the next MBP version.

 

[Hyloba]

Honestly at that pricerange I would go the extra mile and buy the 15'inch. If that's not an option I'd buy the 1.300 € one sell it for thousand bucks in a year andthen buy the next MBP version.

I don't want a 15 inch, it's not portable. But the 1300€ one for a different keyboard layout than I want, sucks.

 

[Bpa260]

not compelling at all to upgrade from my current MBP

 

[radus]

When it comes to the 15" model, I don't understand the people that were hoping for 100-200 cheaper prices. The difference between the highest 15" MBP setup VS. the XPS 15" is over $2000.
$200 is a drop in the bucket.

But Apple is delivering an Intel Core i-7 6920HQ Processor, along with 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports and a 2TB Nvme SSD (probably Samsung SSD 960 Pro) with higher Specs, not to forget better graphics and you are able to run MacOs X along with Windows and Linux.
So a 4k Display combined with GB-Ethernet and and fast external SSD's is not a problem for the Mac, while the XPS is limited.
For me dongles are not a problem on a mobile device.

 

[emailnotebox]

Interesting to add up all the definite "no" votes.
Currently it's at 36%.
That's pretty substantial if you extrapolate to millions Apple hopes to sell.
Of course, MR members are probably a bit more selective when it comes to Mac buying unlike the the general population.

Actually, general population's perception of the new macbook pro seems to be just as negative if not worse compared to here with many fanboys. Not sure whether you use Facebook, but if you goto the official Apple facebook page, and check the Macbook Pro ad and its comments, you will see thousands of comments with negative to positive response ratio being something like 100:1, with people reasoning all the things that are being discussed here as well. I truly never seen anything like it on their official page before. At least there Apple is observing the general public's overwhelmingly negative perception of the new MacBook Pro.

 

[samcow]

Actually, general population's perception of the new macbook pro seems to be just as negative if not worse compared to here with many fanboys. Not sure whether you use Facebook, but if you goto the official Apple facebook page, and check the Macbook Pro ad and its comments, you will see thousands of comments with negative to positive response ratio being something like 100:1, with people reasoning all the things that are being discussed here as well. I truly never seen anything like it on their official page before. At least there Apple is observing the general public's overwhelmingly negative perception of the new MacBook Pro.

Yea, even cnet is continuously running articles ******** on the Macbook Pro. Cnet isn't exactly arstechnica, the average consumer looks at it. Honestly all this drama is causing me to continuously consider canceling my order.

 

[Soulful]

Good morning all,

Long time lurker here and looking for some advice.

Currently have a mid-2010 15" MBP (clearly) non retina, 4GB RAM and 500GB HDD - its beginning to look stressed with frequent crashes and kernel panics. I use my computer for the usual word, internet, youtube and do some light photo and video editing for presentations in Keynote/Powerpoint. Also generate large files in DICOM format from medical images (large files).

Have been lurking on the waiting for Skylake thread for some time and was waiting for the current MBP. The prices of the current machines are a bit scary but feel I will benefit from the speed bump I will experience from a mid -2010 machine. My main issue is the 2TB SSD and whether it is worth getting giving the extortionate price. My current 500GB disk is full and I've had to leave a number of movies in the cloud and also lots of photos on an external HDD back up in order to free up space. If I get the 1TB this would quickly become filled I fear and think a 2TB would be better for future proofing. Im also worried about the 16GB RAM limit as I plan to use my laptop for at least the next 5yrs and it seems canon lake etc will not be available till 2018 and I certainly cannot wait that long.

Any thoughts and advice welcome!!

 

[VAGDesign]

Good morning all,

Long time lurker here and looking for some advice.

Currently have a mid-2010 15" MBP (clearly) non retina, 4GB RAM and 500GB HDD - its beginning to look stressed with frequent crashes and kernel panics. I use my computer for the usual word, internet, youtube and do some light photo and video editing for presentations in Keynote/Powerpoint. Also generate large files in DICOM format from medical images (large files).

Have been lurking on the waiting for Skylake thread for some time and was waiting for the current MBP. The prices of the current machines are a bit scary but feel I will benefit from the speed bump I will experience from a mid -2010 machine. My main issue is the 2TB SSD and whether it is worth getting giving the extortionate price. My current 500GB disk is full and I've had to leave a number of movies in the cloud and also lots of photos on an external HDD back up in order to free up space. If I get the 1TB this would quickly become filled I fear and think a 2TB would be better for future proofing. Im also worried about the 16GB RAM limit as I plan to use my laptop for at least the next 5yrs and it seems canon lake etc will not be available till 2018 and I certainly cannot wait that long.

Any thoughts and advice welcome!!

I would either upgrade to a newer model 2012,2013,2015 etc. or upgrade RAM and put an SSD for OS and apps and another if you need much space in the place where the SuperDrive is now.

You will see a huge difference.