You hit the nail on the head here. Granted, I enjoy using my Win 10 PC a lot more than any OSX device.
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You hit the nail on the head here. Granted, I enjoy using my Win 10 PC a lot more than any OSX device.
People who have a complaint are usually the ones that a company hears anything from. Someone who is satisfied or at least NOT unhappy seldom take the time to notify a company. It’s usually someone with a complaint.
For the company to take that complaint seriously 3 things need to be true:
- The person receiving the complaint needs to treat them seriously.
- The person needs to be at least influential or preferably have a major say in how that part of the company is run.
- There have to be a significant number of people willing to put a voice and a name along with their complaint and not just be an anonymous complainer.
I don’t know if trying to contact/email Tim Cook is the right path. Some CEO’s believe in chain of command and would say you need to start at the bottom and work your way up. Which usually reduces the number of people who ultimately contact the “correct” person, making Apple less inclined to pay attention.
I check macrumors.com multiple times a week hoping for some news or rumor of a new Mac mini or MBP. I typically buy a new MBP every 5 years and waiting to buy my 4th one. I have money put aside but can’t justify paying $2500 for an outdated computer!!!
Come on Tim Cook we are counting on you. I love Apple but the lack of attention to the costumers like me who sit in from of a Mac for hours a day makes me very unhappy. Please upgrade the computers!!!
Come on Tim Cook we are counting on you. I love Apple but the lack of attention to the costumers like me who sit in from of a Mac for hours a day makes me very unhappy. Please upgrade the computers!!!
I think during the last decade we've suffered from the delusions of grandeur from the mobile space which relegated the desktop space.
But now that the mobile boom is plateauing, and everyone has figured out that for a very large portion of users phones and tablets are not going to replace a traditional computers, I'm curious what's going to happen.
It's a classic case of hubris yet the competition seems to be asleep at the wheel.
There never will be. Apple like Nintendo decided early on to keep their most lucrative IP macOS for themselves like Mario and Zelda. It was the right move. Much of the reason Apple can charge higher average prices for their products is because they ensure a certain standard of quality that PC OEMs don't have to abide by. This is why Microsoft launched their Surface line and they have done well. They are essentially the flagship Windows devices with great build quality. I especially think the Surface Studio is a really innovative machine. If I needed one for its intended purpose, I would've bought that instead of a MacBook Pro. I think it's better than buying an expensive external Wacom device and the latency will only improve with subsequent revisions.
Nintendo would have long been out of business had they allowed Super Mario, Zelda and Pokemon to be developed for Sony and Microsoft's consoles. Pokemon Go is something completely different and has been a huge cash cow for Nintendo.
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I think many people also forgot about how much more powerful traditional desktops are than notebooks. Notebooks have evolved to a point where they can do many tasks that previously would've required a desktop but desktops will still do these tasks better and in a shorter amount of time. The desktop CPUs also tend to have significantly higher base clocks and overclocking potential. And of course full size nVidia GPUs are lightyears ahead of the GPUs Apple is using and even those used in PC notebooks like the 1050ti. The RX Vega M from Kaby Lake G is better than the 1050ti but without CUDA of course. We will have to wait and see how developers utilize Metal and what sort of performance we will be able to get from AMD GPUs going forward.
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October dude. You will probably have it by middle of November if you build to order. Just buy it right away so that you can get more useful life out of it. Mac mini will most likely be killed off. They really could've updated it last year along with most of the line but chose not to. It probably doesn't sell that well.
It is already too late. My (very large) company has given up already on Apple and, while we were about 90% Macs, we are moving to being 90% PCs. This was decided 6 months ago and is happening now. Apple has already lost the race. Our legacy Apple machines are old and failing one by one, but there is nothing to upgrade to.
I don't know what they could do to get us to switch back at this point.
I've posted on twitter calling attention to this very thread to Tim Cook.
https://twitter.com/Supa_Fly1/status/1008806545335902208
Maybe we all need to do the same. Make it more of a public concern they need to act on. We did see something with iMac Pro yet I feel when Tim or others at Apple try to re-iterate they love the Mac ... their only referring to iMac.
I want a real modern pro machine in the MacBook Pro 13" for the price listed ... Alienware seems to do quite well with modern components ... why can't Apple?!
in a word: Federighi he did this.
again ... Federighi.
He us a little late to this party isn't he?
Forums have been boiling with frustrated Mac users for years now.
Forums have been boiling with frustrated Mac users for years now.
Last year they reported 216 billion in revenue and 11.3 percent of that was from Macs. 24.4 billion dollars in revenue is not a paltry sum for anyone, including Apple. Apple has been able to devote resources to Macs AND generate enormous revenue from their phones. Eventually, growth will slow down in the mobile market. Services are important for sure...but once they saturate the handheld market (growing in India and China will not go on forever), the Mac offers another line of products tied into the ecosystem that they can sell to people who have come into the fold through iPhone. They will continue to develop their phones, tablets, watches, and computers.
Just curious, what kind of number of machines are we talking here?
Lets just tweet to Tim and friends about this thread, someone may reply.
https://twitter.com/tim_cook
https://twitter.com/cue
https://twitter.com/pschiller
https://twitter.com/tim_cook
https://twitter.com/cue
https://twitter.com/pschiller
My comment was a bit of sarcasm. ...Believe me. I get it. I didn't want an iMac nor a Laptop as my workstation. That's why I'm on a custom built Windows 10 PC now.
As much as Apple says it hasn't forgotten the pros, their actions suggest otherwise. Apple seems to believe the only two worthy computer options are an iMac and a laptop.
Put Apple's liquid assets ($240 billion) into cloning/accelerated growth RnD.
Clone Jobs, engineer an "accident" for Tim.
Problem solved.
Clone Jobs, engineer an "accident" for Tim.
Problem solved.
The sad thing is the Mac I would actually like right now is that iMac Pro which is extremely expensive for what it is.
But it's finally an iMac that goes beyond the "just get the i7 version if you want some power since the mac pro is out of date at this time."
The demo system was 8 cores (the $5000 model and they had a deal where you could get some $ off).
32 gigs of ram on that with a 1 TB SSD and the Radeon Pro Vega (8 gig ram) video card.
It's just more expensive than the average person can afford.
At the same time the same computer store I saw it in was selling a liquid cooled Core i9 system with 10 cores for about $6000 with Windows 10. But that had dual gaming video cards (11 megs ram each) configured. I guess the well off have some great options but not so much I.
But it's finally an iMac that goes beyond the "just get the i7 version if you want some power since the mac pro is out of date at this time."
The demo system was 8 cores (the $5000 model and they had a deal where you could get some $ off).
32 gigs of ram on that with a 1 TB SSD and the Radeon Pro Vega (8 gig ram) video card.
It's just more expensive than the average person can afford.
At the same time the same computer store I saw it in was selling a liquid cooled Core i9 system with 10 cores for about $6000 with Windows 10. But that had dual gaming video cards (11 megs ram each) configured. I guess the well off have some great options but not so much I.
I wonder if Tim Cook reads these posts (in any forum) to gauge the customers' mood. Or emails. And if he does, will he do anything about it, given Apple seems to be of the opinion that they can't do wrong, conversely, everything that they do is wonderful and we don't know better and should suck it up?
Huh? The latest keyboards are both wired and Bluetooth.
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/MQ052LL/A/magic-keyboard-with-numeric-keypad-us-english-silver
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I’m sure there is a department that does and periodically deliver a PR brief to management. So they can keep general track of public sentiment.
You kind of lost me there. It seamed you were arguing that they could not do with Macs what they do with the iPhone because otherwise people would not buy the models up in the chain. Neither 5's or 5S's are being sold by Apple anymore so its kind of a mute point. My point was they should do with Macs what they do with the iPhone in terms of updates. I counter argued that it does not seam that neither 6S (standard and Plus), iPhone 7 (standard and plus) are hurting the sales of iPhone 8 or iPhone X.
The 6S was released in September 2015 and had gone through updated, 7, 8, X. Mac mini, MacBook Air, MacBook, MacBook Pro, iMacs and have been updated less frequently and older models are not available with the exception of the MacBook Pro 15".
If they did the same with Mac we would have:
Macbook Pro 6S (2015), Macbook Pro 7 (2016 model), Macbook Pro 8 (without Touch Bar) and Macbook Pro X (with touchbar). The same for the other models.
Anyway, we just don't know what would be possible. One thing is for sure, the way they are doing things at the moment, the only thing consumers know is that are buying a Mac. Is it the last year model, is it a model from two years ago, 3? Am I buying a refresh or is it still the older processor? There is very little transparency!!!!! Things get more complicated when you got and buy in some hardware shop, its not easy to know. I've seen "old" MacBooks and Macs in shops being priced has the latest and the greatest or has "great bargains", there was nothing to distinguish them from the ones that were refreshed unless we go and look for the cryptic model number, that is not even clearly seen in the box!!!!!
Its a MESS!
Cheers.
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I hope Tim is not living inside a bubble like quite a few influential or rich people do since they surround themselves with people who do not want to tell negative things and only say you are the greatest.
Welcome to Tim Cook's Apple. Isn't he the pipeline guy? Guess being the pipeline guy is easy when the pipeline is empty.
Man, thank you for saying that! I was hoping someone would jump in and point that out. I felt like if I took his bait and sidetracked he would use it as an opportunity to weasel out of his errorouse statement.
What irked me most is the condescending tone this specific user was using to denigrate forum members posting their frustrations about this legitimate issue, in the appropriate thread.
The fact that he completely doesn't see the irony and hypocrisy of him crying foul about users "raging about the Mac" in other threads while he himself post comments dismissing the Mac in a thread about lack of Mac support baffles me. I mean how pompous and arrogant do you have to be for something like that to go over your head and not realize you're doing the very thing you're upset others are doing.
As if this wasn't enough, he nonchalantly dumps everyone complaining on this thread and those that comment about Mac in other threads into one bucket and labels us all "raging madmen'".
I'm not done yet, he then plays the victim card by proclaiming that he and others (because now he speaks on behalf of everyone else on this forum) are stuck in the crossfire. Seriously, the egotism is quite frankly astounding.
The icing on the cake is that he's basing all his logic on Neil's opinions and stating them so matter-of-factly. I wasn't going to mention this, but I know Neil personally and ever since John called him out (https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/04/17/cybart-achilles-heel) he's admitted that he went too overboard with that prediction.
Hilariously, I had to literally bait him firat and then drag him step by step to get him to acknowledge that Tim Cook deserves some criticism at which point he shut his computer and said he had to go to sleep. Simply amazing.
I'm sorry but I just had to call him out on it.
I reckon it's clogged with watch-bands, beats headphones, homepods, and a bunch of other catch-up stuff like the iCar, iTV, iSpectacles (because as we all know augmented-reality(AR) is the next frontier of tech /sarcasm).
The X has a different design and bezel less OLED display. As long as Macs are within the same generation, they look identical on the outside and that makes a big difference. If they released an OLED MBP and also offered the current LCD machines then it would be fine sort of how they still sold the non-retina models when the 15" mid-2012 retina launched. Also 3rd party retailers usually sell last year's MBP at a discount until are all sold for a while. Including build to order configs as well.
I see it similar to the car industry. The difference in price between 3-4 years of the same generation isn't big, but the difference between a redesign or refresh is especially with luxury cars.