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Man, thank you for saying that! I was hoping someone would jump in and point that out. I felt like if I took his bait and sidetracked he would use it as an opportunity to weasel out of his errorouse statement.
Not a problem. It just got a little irritating when some folks make it seem like Apple cannot chew and walk at the same time when they can. They (Apple) do have agility in terms of pulling people from various divisions but it doesn't mean the entire company is that way where everyone is piled into a project at the expense of others. The collaboration is just deeper because it is necessitated given the integration they are trying to achieve and to ensure that production doesn't get blocked due to some minor detail that was missed by another team earlier.

Cybart unfortunately goes a bit overboard though. It's not surprising because that is what happens when people get overly enthusiastic about the prospects of what Apple can potentially do with their industrial design and the whole "intersection of the arts and humanities" approach to tech. There's a point though where you need balance when it comes to design form and design function. Apple designed the 2013 Mac Pro (logistics dictate at least 2 years lead time of design prior to launch) into a thermal and user upgradability dead end in terms of the workstation space. Maybe at some point in the future, it will make sense. But even today, folks like myself do not want a mostly closed box Mac Pro and have to connect everything externally. If I wanted something like that, I would just get an iMac Pro (thanks but no thanks to all-in-ones for myself). There are compromises and as I noted in my earlier post here, I already have plans to transition to HP's Generation 4 line of workstations should Apple decide to go that route with the 2019 Mac Pro.

Apple execs do know about the importance of the Mac since it has always been defined as the glue that links the ecosystem together (Jobs originally referred to it as the digital hub - refer back to Macworld Tokyo 2002 when he expanded on it).


The basic notion behind that was so that the Mac would maintain relevance even though other parts may grow bigger than it. The Mac only software apps was the initial glue. But then came the devices. iPod was an example when it really took off a few years after his keynote speech about their strategy. No different with the iPhone which is way bigger. But the Mac even though it is a small percentage of the pie, is relevant in this ecosystem. iPad cannibalizing the Mac wasn't a concern because their take has always been to prefer having an Apple product cannibalize another Apple product versus losing sales to the competition (and that is exactly what some folks have done and will eventually do).

And as developers have mentioned, you need a Mac to develop for iOS (to develop for it, you have to purchase one of Apple's high margin Mac's). Sure at some point, an iPad might become a viable means for some to do their development on if Apple brings the dev tools to iOS. But not everyone is going to want to do their development there. So it remains in Apple's best interests to continue designing an array of Mac hardware to meet the needs of these folks. The same goes for content creators. So it is laughable to hear the opinion (from some) that Apple should not even try to put that much effort into something like the 2019 Mac Pro with the rationale being that it is a small niche relative to the other Mac form factors given it is still a lucrative business for them. Apple has the resources to work on it, the Mac mini, macOS while other teams work on iOS related projects.

Apple execs KNOW they dropped the ball with the 2013 Mac Pro (the reason for two meetings in the past two years). The ongoing issue is still the same though; are the folks in charge of coming up with the modular Mac Pro, going to attempt to reinvent some "new wheel" and over think things like they did when they came up with the thermal dead end form over function design of the trash can? True, Jobs ideal was to do things by skating to where the puck is. But even he knew you couldn't always push too far out (which is the rationale for doing the iPhone first as opposed to the iPad which he later admitted was what they started out with first).

The icing on the cake is that he's basing all his logic on Neil's opinions and stating them so matter-of-factly. I wasn't going to mention this, but I know Neil personally and ever since John called him out (https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/04/17/cybart-achilles-heel) he's admitted that he went too overboard with that prediction.

Hilariously, I had to literally bait him firat and then drag him step by step to get him to acknowledge that Tim Cook deserves some criticism at which point he shut his computer and said he had to go to sleep. Simply amazing.
Ah! xD I wouldn't have the patience (nor do I have the time) to do that.

Cook is a great operations/supply chain guy. Fortunately he knows his strength. So I do give him credit for continuing to run Apple well from that perspective. Where he does deserve criticism though is when he flippantly said "I think if you’re looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore?" back in 2015 or when he replied that "we do plan for Mac mini to be an important part of our of future product lineup" while the current outdated model just sits there with outdated pricing from 2014. Yes, I do realize there is a team probably designing something but it still just comes across as tone deaf considering how long it was languishing prior to that e-mail response. These are all tiny self-inflicted papercuts that's growing into a larger more painful wound than it needs to.
 

it’s getting ridiculous, the MacOS soft are pitiful compare to what is used to be:
- Quicktime X anyone? lol
- Maybe iSync?
- Not the super bloated iTunes?
- The worthless Siri?
- Maybe the non ever green browser Safari?
- Maybe some *nix under layer? outdated for most packages
- Or maybe OpenGL and OpenCL? nope deprecated with only a super old version supported!
- Let’s use Vulkan then? nope
- What about a common programming language (c/c++ for devel?) nope!
The walled garden used to be the end user, now it’s developping ffor Apple that is a walled garden and for one I don’t want to maintain 3x time the same purpose code into 3 different language, that’s why I do Qt apps. But without OpenGL, I event that option is gone. Sad but iOS/MacOS devel is now the retard unwanted child!
 
Because of course whether a question is rhetorical or not is solely decided by the reader and not whether the questioner expected an answer or not (this btw is sarcasm).
If it was rhetorical you would have led with that, instead of arguing "well they will get a lawsuit sometime in the future blah blah blah". But it wasn't and you are backpeddling because you lost. It's okay big guy, you were wrong, it happens.
 
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I don't get the effort with the driverless cars. Seems like it's your local, totally awesome, coffee shop branching off into dry cleaning. It's a distraction and I have difficulty seeing how this is an effective use of resources. It seems too far from their core business.

Like Elon Musk, don't worry about space travel, try making the quality car you were supposed to and deliver it on time. Can't spread your resources too thin and have a great, fundamental product.
 
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You've got it backwards.

The chips do more with less now. They make significantly less heat, draw less power, take up less space.

You could resurrect the Cheese Grater and give it supercomputer internals without any fuss.

Heck hipsters would probably buy it because it looks retro.

This is actually true. I've tested on a friends maxed 2017 MacBook Pro vs his 2012 12-core Classic Mac Pro maxed out with TitanX and Red Rocket X for both timeline editing and final rendering of Red Camera 6k footage. In Final Cut Pro X the MacBook Pro could scrub the timeline smoothly while the 12-core stuttered, and to my shock the laptop actually rendered out projects faster.

The only faster machine is my 6-core 8700k High Sierra Hack. Sad but true, the 12-core is no longer worth running.

However, the latest MacBook Pro's are FAR too expensive to buy for such weak hardware, and too crap of a thin keyboard (2015 and previous were excellent), and it's frustratingly port limited (welcome to dongle city for absolutely everything, including cabled ethernet, HDMI, and SD cards, etc.) I do not want a thinner laptop, 2015 was just fine for thinness, heck I want a remake of the 2012, 17" MBP with an up-to-date logic board, CPU, and Nvidia GPU (I'll settle for AMD). I just want a great keyboard, and on-board ports with up-to-date chips, and decent cooling.

I know Apple has lost sight of what made the MacBook Pro great and of why I brought so many people over to the Mac. I'd prefer to work in Mac OS all day long, but that's rapidly becoming impossible. Switching to VR a lot these days and Apple is so far behind in this it's laughable, and their hardware is so weak it's not viable (I'm well aware of Imac Pro, and EGPU. But Alienware 15r3 can do this beautifully without hauling EGPU around, and without costing literally double or triple for a far worse keyboard, and worse port situation IMHO. At work I'm still rocking a 2013 MacPro which has become laughably weak and Apple cut off from EGPU support (which would be utterly trivial for them to support, it was already built into Mac OS until they removed it.) They've lost sight and the reason a forum like this exists with so many consenting voices is because we've all known this and been shouting about it for the last 2 years. Not because we hate Apple, but quite the opposite, because we've loved them and see them leaving us for an ARM future of glorified and overly expensive email machines. Apple, build BOTH! The 15" and 17" type powerhouses we need, and the MacBook Airs that your hipster crowd needs.
 
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Other manufacturers have not surpassed Apples build quality.

I thought I was ready to jump ship - bought at Dell 9575 w/8705g processor. 4k screen, carbon-esque top deck, aluminum body. Hell its internal code name is "La Ferrari" - i assume because its light and fast. Know what I got?


  • Windows 10 with its built in spyware/malware

At that moment you lost all credibility.
 
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it’s getting ridiculous, the MacOS soft are pitiful compare to what is used to be:
- Quicktime X anyone? lol
- Maybe iSync?
- Not the super bloated iTunes?
- The worthless Siri?
- Maybe the non ever green browser Safari?
- Maybe some *nix under layer? outdated for most packages
- Or maybe OpenGL and OpenCL? nope deprecated with only a super old version supported!
- Let’s use Vulkan then? nope
- What about a common programming language (c/c++ for devel?) nope!
The walled garden used to be the end user, now it’s developping ffor Apple that is a walled garden and for one I don’t want to maintain 3x time the same purpose code into 3 different language, that’s why I do Qt apps. But without OpenGL, I event that option is gone. Sad but iOS/MacOS devel is now the retard unwanted child!

In the next 2 years we'll see an Apple walled garden like we never thought possible. ARM chips, Metal only (bye rest of the world, we don't want to work with you.) App Store only. This only gets more and more ingrown. Lesson not learned last time. When they went Intel chips a lot of hope was given, but then they let OpenGL stagnate on their system, etc etc. I closed my eyes and pretended we weren't being left behind. But now it looks like the Apple Curtain will be complete and you will be in or out. Gone are the days of "Hell Froze Over"?
 
For me, I know if Apple doesn’t update the Mac lineup this year I’m going back to windows for my next computer purchase. As much as I’ve wanted to stick with a Mac, the lack of updates is something I can no longer deal with.
The lack of updates on which models? They are updating the Mac lineup this year.
 
Kaby Lake is not old hardware.

Well, for laptops it's over 2 years old a this point.

But my point was a retrospective on the last 5 years, not in particularly about a single model.

I happen to like the 2nd butterfly keyboard. I can type really fast with it and have not had a single key fail on me.

Good for you, but considering there are at least 3 class action lawsuits against Apple over the butterfly keyboard I don't think you are in the majority.

The retina Mac (mid-2012) was much slimmer than the previous aluminum unibody design due to removing the obsolete Superdrive. It's now considered to be one of the greatest notebook designs of all time, if not the greatest.

I agree, but how come the greatest Apple laptop was made 6 years ago and not last year?

Also, it made a lot of sense to remove the superdrive. Optical media was dying years before that.

USB-C is no longer the future, but the present.

A very bleak present though. Most accessories (keyboard, mice, memory sticks, etc) are still manufactured with USB-A connectors. Even Apple's Mac accessories come with USB-A and not USB-C cables.

And let's forget al the problems surrounding the USB-C spec.
 
Prices are pretty fair. The retina iMac 5K is really not expensive considering the I/O and amazing display. The iMac Pro is reasonably priced and the MacBooks as well except for the 12” which costs $1949 for the fully loaded config. $2-3k is a reasonable price for a modern, well-built aluminum machine. Besides they can be picked up used in great condition for much less or refurbished through Apple.
Retina iMac prices are very good value, although RAM/storage prices does reduce that. The iMac Pro is reasonably priced as you say, but not affordable due to the choice of hardware. The MacBooks, on the other hand, are not priced well and Apple know this.
 
Personally, I'm honestly quite shocked that nobody's invested more work into PureDarwin (or, heck, even considered forking the XNU kernel since that's open-source; some of its internal subsystems might really need some TLC… I've a few ideas for improvements, but no time to implement them as of yet) (Also, has Jonathan Levin, author of macOS and iOS Internals made his reverse-engineered version of launchd available yet? That might help any forking efforts along somewhat.)
 
I keep hearing more and more people in the music industry (Dj's/artists) complaining about Mac products and how failures have resulted in loss of work. Hard to say if this is actually Mac hardware, MacOSX or the third party software struggling with hardware/OSX limitations. Also hard to say if people are just jumping on the "lets blame Apple" bandwagon.

I think one thing is for sure, having read a number of comments, is that we're all waiting on a big refresh on all Mac products. As well as internals there is also such a thing as design/aesthetics fatigue. MBA still looks like it did when it first came out. Looks are just as important as internal specs.
 
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Does anyone here have any hope that Apple is going to turn all of this around and become a 'computer company' again?

No, remember the “what’s a computer” ad Apple has running. Very telling indeed. While I don't see Apple doing away with computers 100%, I do see them putting less emphasis and less effort into computers as a whole imo. I see the “ what’s a computer” ad as a vision of what they hope to accomplish in the future. I'm no expert so take what I say with a grain of salt, it’s just my thoughts.
 
Man, thank you for saying that! I was hoping someone would jump in and point that out. I felt like if I took his bait and sidetracked he would use it as an opportunity to weasel out of his errorouse statement.

What irked me most is the condescending tone this specific user was using to denigrate forum members posting their frustrations about this legitimate issue, in the appropriate thread.

The fact that he completely doesn't see the irony and hypocrisy of him crying foul about users "raging about the Mac" in other threads while he himself post comments dismissing the Mac in a thread about lack of Mac support baffles me. I mean how pompous and arrogant do you have to be for something like that to go over your head and not realize you're doing the very thing you're upset others are doing.

As if this wasn't enough, he nonchalantly dumps everyone complaining on this thread and those that comment about Mac in other threads into one bucket and labels us all "raging madmen'".

I'm not done yet, he then plays the victim card by proclaiming that he and others (because now he speaks on behalf of everyone else on this forum) are stuck in the crossfire. Seriously, the egotism is quite frankly astounding.

The icing on the cake is that he's basing all his logic on Neil's opinions and stating them so matter-of-factly. I wasn't going to mention this, but I know Neil personally and ever since John called him out (https://daringfireball.net/linked/2017/04/17/cybart-achilles-heel) he's admitted that he went too overboard with that prediction.

Hilariously, I had to literally bait him firat and then drag him step by step to get him to acknowledge that Tim Cook deserves some criticism at which point he shut his computer and said he had to go to sleep. Simply amazing.

I'm sorry but I just had to call him out on it.

You can refer to me by name. I stand by everything I have said. The people here know what they have done and they continue to do it nonetheless.

You all want to show you are better? I will be observing the subsequent threads that are created here at Macrumours and how the posters in this thread conduct themselves. Let’s see how long it takes before the same vitriol starts to infect the other threads.

I won’t be holding my breath. But hey, surprise me.
 
What did you switch to? I’ve been thinking about switching as well but I’m not sure what hardware would be worth switching for. I guess the most important piece to me would be the trackpad. Last time I used a PC (10 years ago?) the trackpads were horrible.
Custom-built desktop PC. While the hardware is excellent, I'm currently running Windows 10 which I hate. However I am considering switching to Linux in the near future.
 
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Custom-built desktop PC. While the hardware is excellent, I'm currently running Windows 10 which I hate. However I am considering switching to Linux in the near future.
That’s my precise hangup. I can build a killer PC, but at the end of the day it’s still running Windows 10 which seems to be filled with quirks and irks.
 
No, remember the “what’s a computer” ad Apple has running. Very telling indeed. While I don't see Apple doing away with computers 100%, I do see them putting less emphasis and less effort into computers as a whole imo. I see the “ what’s a computer” ad as a vision of what they hope to accomplish in the future. I'm no expert so take what I say with a grain of salt, it’s just my thoughts.

You're right - there are way more people that DON'T want or need a computer/Mac than need a Mac. That's cool and Apple has the right to chase that market. It's a big market, and Apple does it best.

Allowing cannibalisation of sales from Mac to those that didn't need a computer before, but bought one because there was not choice - Mac is selling better than ever and should really be treated like a first class product:
  • regular and predictable yearly updates, nobody is going to pay full price for last year's technology
  • pencil and touch support all-'round, no ifs buts or maybes - usable touch is 10 years old and not supporting it reeks of crippling Mac to bolster expensive iPad sales, pencil is not so new, but professional support for pencil and touch is just embarrassing, if not deliberately negligent
  • 'professional for everyone' is a great slogan, that's what Mac always was, but it's going to take more than window dressing in Mojave to make Mac professional again
  • actual connectivity - professional ports, not dongle-town
  • professional performance - throttling back after 2 hours of professional use is not a professional device
  • a keyboard that people can use - aside from crud disabling the entire Mac, I've had a MacBook since 2015 and still get mis-hits because of the wider than necessary key spacing- I love the feel of the keyboard, it's fast and light, but they keys are too far apart
  • feature parity - iPad should be a sub-set of Mac function, not the other way around. Messages is the classic example here. Why are there more features on iOS than Mac? Mac is more powerful, it's natural that Mac iWork apps do more than iOS iWork, and if you need feature parity, you need a Mac. They're not much bigger or heavier than iPad, just get a Mac and stop encouraging Apple putting lipstick on a pig that was never designed to be a full computer.

It's not a long list, but however self evident or obvious it is, Apple doesn't seem to be 'getting it'.
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Custom-built desktop PC. While the hardware is excellent, I'm currently running Windows 10 which I hate. However I am considering switching to Linux in the near future.

Give elementaryOS a go. Efforts like theirs need encouragement. elementary.io
 
You can refer to me by name. I stand by everything I have said. The people here know what they have done and they continue to do it nonetheless.

You all want to show you are better? I will be observing the subsequent threads that are created here at Macrumours and how the posters in this thread conduct themselves. Let’s see how long it takes before the same vitriol starts to infect the other threads.

I won’t be holding my breath. But hey, surprise me.

Wow, delusions of grandeur much? "Observing", "conduct themselves", "infect", "surprise me", "not holding my breath"? Hey buddy, newsflash, no one gives an eff about you, and contrary to what the magic mirror in your closet tells you, you're not the prettiest princess in the world.

Especially when you spew hypocritical garbage and chicken out whenever you get called out.

Anyways, what's important to note is that no where in your comment do you deny what I've mentioned about your behaviour.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question, what exactly are you agreeing with when you said "I agree Tim Cook deserves some criticism".

And this time I'm assuming you've slept so don't use that as an excuse, or do you have more exam settings to do?

P.S. Didn't call you by name because quite frankly I couldn't be bothered to memorize it and don't think you were worth the 5 seconds of time to look it up. I know this must come as a shock to you but again let me stress how insignificant and poorly I think of you and I look forward to your next post to further prove this point.
 
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I despise Windows, and wasn't a fan of macOS prior to osx. I developed software on pretty much all Unix platforms, and was the guy quietly replacing servers with Linux boxes before people knew what Linux was.
I finally tried OSX when they released the core 2 duo, and while I initially wanted to reinstall it with Linux, it grew on me over time, with some annoyances, and the hardware was generally good.

I've had iPhones since launch, converted my now-wife to Macs, iPhone and apple watch, etc.

Windows 8 was a mess, and at most jobs I was thankfully able to get an OK for running my personal mbp, with Win and Linux VMs as needed.

I've been waiting for MBP upgrades for years to replace my CTO 2011MBP which is upgraded to 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, but the last refresh was a bad joke...not much real speed gain, no 32GB of RAM, the couldn't-care-less waste touch bar, etc., and crazy 'upgrsde' costs to get reasonable storage. So I bought a used 2015 15" MBP at half the price and am still waiting for a 'pro' laptop to surface from Apple.

Waited for new Apple TV to arrive and Homepod. Meh. New Fire TV and echo dots it is, although Google also had decent offerings at far less $.

I did finally pick up an iPhone X after I cracked the screen on my 6, and it's fine, Good phone, but even coming from an aged 6, the only real 'wow' I'd finally having wireless charging, years after the competition. Face ID is interesting technically but not a real overall usability improvement in reality vs through scream touch ID.

New job and still working on the 'mbp OK,' but work gave me a Dell surface book clone.
The 'couldn't be done on mbp' of including a usb-a port was 'somehow' done on a tablet-sized Dell smaller than an MBP. It's not a bad machine, and the pen rocks for conference calls for whiteboarding.

Win 10 isn't too bad, more so with the Linux subsystem and Ubuntu installed. Outlook on Windows does something truly useful that years ago Apple would have done first, simple but obvious - allowing recent file by accessing time in a drop down for quick email insertion. Yeah, not on OSX, even when using native Mail.

Not a big thing, but Apple made things generally work well, intuitively and quickly. Funny how MS of all companies made a 2in1 with i7 for other manufacturers to clone, the surface station, and a pretty vs cool Surface teleconference screen that saves remote whiteboard sessions. Apples 'innovation' has amounted to removing ports, creating emojis and citing 'bravery.'. OK, the watch is finally fairly decent...for some things.

As others have said, the Mac lineup is foundational for the rest of their ecosystem. Hate to quote Ballmer, but his chant of 'developers, developers' some time back was on point. If you lose them, the rest will follow. If you lose other professionals or creatives, you eventually lose their families and other devices in many cases, while the 'consumers' eventually realize they're losing out on apps as well as content. At some point, it's falling off a cliff that can't be recovered from. Apple isn't there yet, but moves like obsoleting OpenGL, the mind-numbing you stupid Siri, and their arrogance to think fans will stay 'forever' can do real damage.

The Dell Surface book clone isn't bad, nor great. I expect it will eventually have thermal issues, and the OS still needs some areas of improvement along with broader pen support in apps, but it's a start, and it does some things very well. They likely have plenty of time to refine it as Apple can't get their heads around the 2-in-1 concept, or so they say. The Apple of old might instead manage to kick the heLl out of this thing, with features we didn't even know we wanted until we saw them.

I'm still waiting on a MBP it's worth my $ to 'uograde' to for the $, and maybe, to compare to a 2-in-1 as they continue to evolve while Apple's 'bravery' just pisses off customers with $ in hand. I hope it happens soon.
 
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Wow, delusions of grandeur much? "Observing", "conduct themselves", "infect", "surprise me", "not holding my breath"? Hey buddy, newsflash, no one gives an eff about you, and contrary to what the magic mirror in your closet tells you, you're not the prettiest princess in the world.

Especially when you spew hypocritical garbage and chicken out whenever you get called out.

Anyways, what's important to note is that no where in your comment do you deny what I've mentioned about your behaviour.

By the way, you still haven't answered my question, what exactly are you agreeing with when you said "I agree Tim Cook deserves some criticism".

And this time I'm assuming you've slept so don't use that as an excuse, or do you have more exam settings to do?

P.S. Didn't call you by name because quite frankly I couldn't be bothered to memorize it and don't think you were worth the 5 seconds of time to look it up. I know this must come as a shock to you but again let me stress how insignificant and poorly I think of you and I look forward to your next post to further prove this point.

The good thing about Apple is they have passionate followers.
The bad thing following Apple is they do their own thing, irrespective of the followers. They have never really been transparent and no one knows what their plan is really.
Many times Apple have frustrated me and many times have delighted me.

I think a lot of people on here are frustrated and also passionate, more so as they can see Apple are not caring about the computer side of the business like they used to.

We can all see where this goes, but in terms of running a business, I feel that it is no longer a good idea to use Apple computers in a business, as the future is unknown. People need to know they can rely on Apple for regular updates, remain competitive and provide the right solutions, and this has become clear over the last 5 years that the model has changed.
 
The update cycle for Mac's is so horrendous. I wish Apple would at least lower the prices as time passes on like other manufacturers do but nope.

I actually switched to Windows for the price and lack of updates for the Mac. I was using a Windows machine since 2016 and the only reason I'm back is that I needed Sketch for work. If it wasn't for Sketch I wouldn't be on the Mac anymore. Apple really needs to fix it's updated cycles, I know many people who switched to PC after the release of the touch bar Macs and that trash can Mac Pro.

Slowly, I think people will leave, especially if they aren't tied to the Apple ecosystem.
 
I learned to write software on an Apple IIe in about 1985 and later bought an Apple IIgs.

I moved to the Mac platform in 1989 on a Mac IIcx with System 6.0.3, MPW Pascal with loose-leaf documentation, 5 volumes of Inside Macintosh and Scott Knaster's "How to Write Macintosh Software". In those days the only online resource for developers was the Apple section on CompuServe, reached via a 1200bps modem.

Later, I migrated to a Mac IIfx, Quadra 800 and countless more. I've been through the days of ResEdit, Resourcerer, THINK C, Symantec compilers, CodeWarrior, the 24 to 32 bit transition, the transition to System 7, PowerPC, Intel, OS X, Carbon, Cocoa and probably more transitions I can't remember.

Almost 30 years later I am using a 2014 MacBook Pro as my main development machine. This machine is by far the oldest Mac I have ever used on a day-to-day basis. I fear that Apple has lost its direction, having been so focused on iOS, they seem to have forgotten that every iOS app was developed on a Mac.

Unfortunately, I don't see this changing anytime soon. In a few more years, I'll be able to retire and then my life will not be bound to an increasingly aimless Apple. I have spent my whole professional career writing Mac software and Apple used to have focus. I never expected it to turn out this way.

Very sad indeed.

Trygve Inda
President
Xeric Design, Ltd.

Trygve, we have an amazingly similar history. My first computer was an Apple IIe—my high school graduation gift in 1984. I worked for Apple in the '90s and have friends who are still there. Flash forward through using every Mac under the sun and here I am, typing this on a 2014 15" MacBook Pro; also the longest time I've used any Apple computer! Just last week I walked on what was a very good deal for a 2016 15" MBP on craigslist. I just can't get excited about that machine and it's embarrassing that the word "Pro" appears on it.

The main difference between us is that I code on a Mac and not for the Mac. It remains my OS/hardware platform of choice, but that choice has been gravitating slowly toward ambivalence for some time now. I have to admit that my next laptop might not be a Mac (I have already switched desktops to a Windows PC I built). The deciding factor will likely be Apple's next update of the MBP line. You have my sympathy, and I do hope you can wrap up your career on a Mac! Actually that retirement idea sounds pretty good...
 
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Frankly under Cook, the whole mac line up has problems now IMO. the mini gimped, the pro trash can, the one port macbook, the MBP's laminated coated screens that can easily become an eyesore, the glued battery and soldered ram and HD , the badly designed keyboard that is prone to fail, the discontinued mac monitors, airport etc.. - combined with outdated components, none of it scream "premium anymore".

While one can argue that intel is slacking holding up the development of new macs, the most alarming issue to me is the blatant reduction of quality of build of the macbook line, and the hostile approach to user serviceability and upgradeability. The creative community does not want to be nannied by Nanny Care nor does it want to be dictated to as to how their workflow should match Apple's "vision"and dongle monopoly schemes.

Since Apple is determined to create content with Oprah, Cook should try running a film production and post production solely with ipads, and let us know how it went.. ;).

Why wouldn’t he just use an iMac Pro for that?

But I would agree with you about the problems. The actual heavy lift users want function over pure form, and basically got Ived in the back.

Groupthink is very powerful. I think it’s hard for large companies to hold more than one mindset at a time, especially with a dominant leader riding a profitable trend, like ‘beautiful and thin’. Apple should have been able to make rugged gear for pros -and- the thinnest stuff for consumers.

So Apple had since 2013 when it failed the pro market by making a round one instead of a square one, because ‘design’. And then their best effort years after the outcry was a sealed up iMac Pro, because ‘thin’. So for everyone that thought the cheese grater was the best Mac ever made, and just wanted the modern version of that, that is 2 strikes.

As long as the form mindset continues to dominate over the function the old-school Mac Pro users want, I don’t have much faith that the next Mac Pro will actually be what the old-school, hard core users on here want. Apple had many years to ‘really grok the user’ and they just put new guts in an iMac. Lots of power tho, but not user servicable.

The evidence is that this lesson isn’t learnable at Apple right now, unless this monster thread changes something. Or maybe the evidence is that the era of a high-power, highly user-modifiable Mac is over. 3 strikes. You’re gonna love that HP Z workstation box.
 
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