Popular Mac Developer Slams Apple for 'Sad State of Macintosh Hardware'

[tex210]

What do mean by this sentence? What do you Tim Cook deserves to be criticised on? Please elaborate.

Please for the love of Macrumors, move on, start a private conversation, anything but this again.

I’d rather read about Mac hardware, or ideas of where it could go next, and where it could be better.
Please.

Anyway, we all (mostly) want more powerful hardware at more reasonable prices (especially custom configured).
Professionals usually hang onto what works for quite a while, and when they are ready for new hardware, they want it to work with what they have and be future proof. I’m assuming. What do I know.

 

[Nieval]

Please for the love of Macrumors, move on, start a private conversation, anything but this again.

So somehow I'm at fault for holding a troll responsible? How about you quote him and get him to answer the question and end it that why?

 

[theluggage]

Given that only about 10% of current revenue comes from services and that Apple is the most valuable (traded) company in the world, those predictions are a big emotional overreaction coupled with an unrealistic view of how businesses and markets work. I fear you are too upset to view things clearly at the moment.

Wow! Patronising and hillariously naive...

So Apple are the most valuable traded company in the world (One reason for which could be that their shares are overvalued) - based predominantly on a single product type (smartphones) which is reaching market saturation after 10 years of exponential growth. What could possibly go wrong...?

...but you still managed to miss the main point of my post which was that Apple can survive without the Mac, but the Mac can’t survive without Apple.

...and Apple’s services may only be 10% at the moment but it’s an area they are actively trying to expand, in contrast to the Mac...

 

[OldMike]

I have spent the last couple of days reading every message in this thread (when I had the time to do so). I am happy I am not the only one that feels like Apple is abandoning its most loyal users.

My first Mac was a Mac SE/30. Before that I had a Commodore Vic-20 and then a C-64. I had friends who had Apple ][ computers, but we couldn't afford one at the time. I have been a big fan of Apple computers and specifically OS X (macOS now...) and always enjoyed thinking about what my next Mac would be. Professionally, I have mostly worked on Windows (along with some Linux, Sun Solaris and DEC VAX/VMS), but I always loved using a Mac.

I have to say these days, walking into an Apple store is a short visit. They have nothing there that I am really interested in. Apple has completely killed my enthusiasm for their products, by not only ignoring their computer line - but actually publicly denigrating them (like Tim's statement 'Why would anyone buy a PC anymore"). Statements like that just show me how out of touch Apple management is with the real world. Sure, maybe they are too rich and comfortable to actually have to do work, but most of us still need to actually get things done and need a computer to do so. Regardless of what anyone at Apple says, iOS will not be able to be used for serious work unless it operates just like macOS (in which case it would be macOS!).

I like my iPhone and iPad, but can easily get by without them. I do love the Mac though, and it is sad to see the world's greatest OS and ecosystem be purposley left to rot and die.

Having also used Windows for most of my life, I guess I can switch off of Apple if need be. I have had a bad feeling about Apple's direction for some time (dropping Computer from its name was a good indicator). As a result, I have made sure that I do not rely on any of their cloud service offerings and instead have chosen providers that offer multi-plaform support in case Apple does force me to jump ship.

There are, however, some Mac specific third party applications that I would have a hard time replacing. Selfishly, I almost wish Apple would just announce the death of the Mac, so that the developers would work to offering these applications on other platforms besides macOS.

I have always found Apple computers to be a good value (mostly because of the OS and Apple customer service). The saddest thing is that I can get a really nice user upgradeable Dell XPS tower with an Intel 8th gen 8700 for $699, and I would be just as happy if Apple would just peel the sticker off and put on an Apple logo and charge me an extra $1K for that machine in return for their support and macOS. If Dell can make money being able to sell it for $699, why couldn't Apple be profitable selling me the same thing for $1700?? I think that was about the price I paid for their Aluminum PowerMac G5 tower that I bought in the early 2000s.

Regardless, I still hold out some hope for some good updates to their hardware line in the near future. Otherwise, I will give some serious thought to jumping ship.

 

[Defthand]

Everyone else.

The people who want an updated Mac Pro are a niche of a niche. In other words, an extremely small number of users whose combined expenditure would barely move the needle in Apple revenue.

In short, for all the criticism hurled at Apple’s supposed neglect of the Mac, there are likely still tons of people purchasing Macs. Just look at YouTube and how many tech YouTubers are using MBPs or iMac Pros (MKBHD, ijustine, Austin, Tailosive, a painfully honest tech, just to name a few).

Life goes on, even without a new Mac Pro or Mac Mini.

You’re not familiar with the demographic who buy Apple’s premium hardwares. They are not the niche you mentioned. In fact, I’d wager that they outnumber students and casual users. They are not limited to those who need the Mac Pro’s configuration. They include the persons you listed and other professionals who use iMacs and Macbook Pros. They want, and budget for, the better specs… 5k resolution, i7 CPU, SSD, etcetera. They want these more expensive hardwares to have more versatility, reliability, and state-of-the-art potentials. Desktop jockeys want the flexibility and upgradeability of the earlier non-iMacs. These are the folks who would benefit from a modular design, assuming Apple doesn’t make everything proprietary and overpriced.

The least expensive iMacs and MacBooks are satisfactory for the people who choose those. Apple would be wasting time designing a modular product for them.

 

[scoobs69]

Everyone else.

The people who want an updated Mac Pro are a niche of a niche. In other words, an extremely small number of users whose combined expenditure would barely move the needle in Apple revenue.

In short, for all the criticism hurled at Apple’s supposed neglect of the Mac, there are likely still tons of people purchasing Macs. Just look at YouTube and how many tech YouTubers are using MBPs or iMac Pros (MKBHD, ijustine, Austin, Tailosive, a painfully honest tech, just to name a few).

Life goes on, even without a new Mac Pro or Mac Mini.

Yes. Compared to all those PC Youtubers... wait...
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It's a bad deal now but wasn't when the laptop came out. Apple always does this. Maybe they want to lure people in or encourage full computer upgrades or just don't want to keep changing prices.[/QUOTE]

It will be a bad deal next time, considering the price of 2TB NVMe drives have dropped, and Apple will (likely) crank the price up again with the next MBP release. ...and they won't subtract the cost of the 500GB NVMe when they remove it to add the 2TB drive....

 

[dspdoc]

I have spent the last couple of days reading every message in this thread (when I had the time to do so). I am happy I am not the only one that feels like Apple is abandoning its most loyal users.

My first Mac was a Mac SE/30. Before that I had a Commodore Vic-20 and then a C-64. I had friends who had Apple ][ computers, but we couldn't afford one at the time. I have been a big fan of Apple computers and specifically OS X (macOS now...) and always enjoyed thinking about what my next Mac would be. Professionally, I have mostly worked on Windows (along with some Linux, Sun Solaris and DEC VAX/VMS), but I always loved using a Mac.

I have to say these days, walking into an Apple store is a short visit. They have nothing there that I am really interested in. Apple has completely killed my enthusiasm for their products, by not only ignoring their computer line - but actually publicly denigrating them (like Tim's statement 'Why would anyone buy a PC anymore"). Statements like that just show me how out of touch Apple management is with the real world. Sure, maybe they are too rich and comfortable to actually have to do work, but most of us still need to actually get things done and need a computer to do so. Regardless of what anyone at Apple says, iOS will not be able to be used for serious work unless it operates just like macOS (in which case it would be macOS!).

I like my iPhone and iPad, but can easily get by without them. I do love the Mac though, and it is sad to see the world's greatest OS and ecosystem be purposley left to rot and die.

Having also used Windows for most of my life, I guess I can switch off of Apple if need be. I have had a bad feeling about Apple's direction for some time (dropping Computer from its name was a good indicator). As a result, I have made sure that I do not rely on any of their cloud service offerings and instead have chosen providers that offer multi-plaform support in case Apple does force me to jump ship.

There are, however, some Mac specific third party applications that I would have a hard time replacing. Selfishly, I almost wish Apple would just announce the death of the Mac, so that the developers would work to offering these applications on other platforms besides macOS.

I have always found Apple computers to be a good value (mostly because of the OS and Apple customer service). The saddest thing is that I can get a really nice user upgradeable Dell XPS tower with an Intel 8th gen 8700 for $699, and I would be just as happy if Apple would just peel the sticker off and put on an Apple logo and charge me an extra $1K for that machine in return for their support and macOS. If Dell can make money being able to sell it for $699, why couldn't Apple be profitable selling me the same thing for $1700?? I think that was about the price I paid for their Aluminum PowerMac G5 tower that I bought in the early 2000s.

Regardless, I still hold out some hope for some good updates to their hardware line in the near future. Otherwise, I will give some serious thought to jumping ship.

Excellent and truly moving post. Wish the execs at Apple would read this.

 

[artfossil]

Oh I'm sure it isn't -- we were talking about PC builds.

Apple is anti-consumer these days... why would they allow anything that saves the consumer money or gives them options? "Lock-em down" should be their slogan.

I bought an iMac in September with the educational discount. It was my first desktop since 2004 (I sold that iMac in 2005 because pre-iCloud it was too much of a pain to try to sync with my laptop.) I’ve had top-of the line Apple laptops continuously since 1999.

I had a number of options for processor, drive and RAM. I chose an internal SSD and processor that met my needs, ordered the minimum RAM and upgraded with 3rd party RAM in less than five minutes. This is the nicest computer I’ve had in 34 years of Macs and it was, in my view, a bargain. It is a joy to use. As a consumer, I’ve never been happier with Apple. This does not mean YOU are happy. But keep in mind that others are.

 

[RandomDSdevel]

It's interesting to hear that I'm not the only forum member participating in this discussion thread who's still on a mid-2007 iMac. Granted, the one I'm typing this on has a dead power-supply temperature sensor (which throws off internal fan management and air throughput) and a failing GPU, but, as a product, this machine is by far one of the best deals I and those members of my family from which I've mostly 'inherited' it (I'm on an external drive, so it's technically still theirs, but whatever…) have ever seen! Man, 11 years and still squeaking along, present issues notwithstanding. (Probably shouldn't have ever pushed it so hard, but, as they say, 'them's the brakes'…) I'm certainly going to pay through the nose for an over-the-top–specced MacBook Pro, modulo additional unavoidable accessories for legacy device and disc compatibility, once all of that device class's current shortcomings get addressed, though!

(I should also note that I've used one of the horizontal desktop Power Mac G3 slabs and a Mac mini G4 and even played with my dad's old Apple ⅡSE on occasion throughout the years.)

 

[lcseds]

Apple is too scared to license MacOS. For any price. When they did in the past, Power Computing, the "clone" was building a better computer, at a better price. I toured their manufacturing facility and they were getting ready to bring a huge facility on line. Then the license was pulled. They would have eaten Apple's lunch with computers.

So that will never, ever, happen again.

 

[Mac Tyson]

Interesting, I've not dealt with Hackintosh setups. What's the best site to check out for a guide. I'd love to buy a 2nd hand PC and attempt to build one for the heck of it. Do you experience many kernel errors?

I would read up on it first at tonymacx86.com and hackintosher.com. I used the Clover installer instead of Multibeast. It can get way over your heard if its your first time. Since I already had experience, this time around with these Clover/Multibeast tools I got a hackintosh setup and running in a few hours.

I would look for guides that have similar hardware as yours. Google your hardware and hackintosh. You'll see a lot of users that will have experiences setting up their Hackintosh (mostly first time users).

I love this hackintosh. It's very fast and compared to my Win 10 machine, everything seems crisper and much clearer.

I also haven't come across panics or anything not working. I've installed the Nvidia web driver with a script I found on tonymacx86.com. Simple.

 

[scoobs69]

I have spent the last couple of days reading every message in this thread (when I had the time to do so). I am happy I am not the only one that feels like Apple is abandoning its most loyal users.

My first Mac was a Mac SE/30. Before that I had a Commodore Vic-20 and then a C-64. I had friends who had Apple ][ computers, but we couldn't afford one at the time. I have been a big fan of Apple computers and specifically OS X (macOS now...) and always enjoyed thinking about what my next Mac would be. Professionally, I have mostly worked on Windows (along with some Linux, Sun Solaris and DEC VAX/VMS), but I always loved using a Mac.

I have to say these days, walking into an Apple store is a short visit. They have nothing there that I am really interested in. Apple has completely killed my enthusiasm for their products, by not only ignoring their computer line - but actually publicly denigrating them (like Tim's statement 'Why would anyone buy a PC anymore"). Statements like that just show me how out of touch Apple management is with the real world. Sure, maybe they are too rich and comfortable to actually have to do work, but most of us still need to actually get things done and need a computer to do so. Regardless of what anyone at Apple says, iOS will not be able to be used for serious work unless it operates just like macOS (in which case it would be macOS!).

I like my iPhone and iPad, but can easily get by without them. I do love the Mac though, and it is sad to see the world's greatest OS and ecosystem be purposley left to rot and die.

Having also used Windows for most of my life, I guess I can switch off of Apple if need be. I have had a bad feeling about Apple's direction for some time (dropping Computer from its name was a good indicator). As a result, I have made sure that I do not rely on any of their cloud service offerings and instead have chosen providers that offer multi-plaform support in case Apple does force me to jump ship.

There are, however, some Mac specific third party applications that I would have a hard time replacing. Selfishly, I almost wish Apple would just announce the death of the Mac, so that the developers would work to offering these applications on other platforms besides macOS.

I have always found Apple computers to be a good value (mostly because of the OS and Apple customer service). The saddest thing is that I can get a really nice user upgradeable Dell XPS tower with an Intel 8th gen 8700 for $699, and I would be just as happy if Apple would just peel the sticker off and put on an Apple logo and charge me an extra $1K for that machine in return for their support and macOS. If Dell can make money being able to sell it for $699, why couldn't Apple be profitable selling me the same thing for $1700?? I think that was about the price I paid for their Aluminum PowerMac G5 tower that I bought in the early 2000s.

Regardless, I still hold out some hope for some good updates to their hardware line in the near future. Otherwise, I will give some serious thought to jumping ship.

So much of your post is exactly how I feel, and I know there is a growing number of people (and pro users) like us. A good number of photographers have already begun migrating to Windows.

I started with the Apple IIe, and had never used any computer other than an Apple until December of 2017 -- and the list of Apple Computers I've used and owned is rather long. I was a total and loyal fanboy. Conversely, I never found them to be a good value, but I loved them anyway, and was always willing to pay up for one that fit my needs -- especially for my 2009 quad core Mac Pro.

But that came to a crashing end with the 2013 Mac Pro, when Schiller said, "Can't innovate, my eye"...

Apple was so hell bent on breaking something that wasn't broken, they completely forgot about functionality and usability. They ignored how the power users...used their workstation.

The 2009-2012 Mac Pro had the perfect case - so it only needed an update. Instead of cheese grater Mac Pro with USB 2 and Firewire ports, they could have had a Cheese Grater Mac Pro with (6) USB 3 ports and (6) Thunderbolt ports, upgraded CPUs and a regular stock user upgradable video card. ...Then keep updating the processor over the past few years. That would have been all it took to keep me.

I didn't want to have to purchase a separate enclosure for hard drives -- that would have only driving the price of the system up. Nor did I want an all-in-one iMac with limited upgradability. The MacBook Pro had memory and GPU limitations.

When Capture One Pro started leveraging multiple cores a few years ago, suddenly the 6 and 8 core workstations started looking more and more tempting. But the 2013 Mac Pro just wasn't going to cut it. 1) it was a bad design. 2) it was $5,000 for an 8-core and $4,000 for a 6-core. Way too rich for my small business blood.

So I stuck it out with my 2009 quad core Mac Pro, upgraded to an SSD boot drive and Sapphire Radeon 7950 HD Mac Edition GPU. And waited over the next few years to see what Apple would do with the Mac Pro. Maybe they'd update the computers, and the 2013 prices would come down quite a bit to make room for the new releases. ...it never happened.

I finally gave up on Apple in December of 2017 and built my PC to fit my needs, as I knew, at that point, Apple was never going to do it.

I say go for it. I'm incredibly happy I did it. It kind of feels freeing to longer be trapped by Apple's lack of interest in their professional users. Especially considering they rarely give a wide range of professional users good options.

Cheers
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Apple is too scared to license MacOS. For any price. When they did in the past, Power Computing, the "clone" was building a better computer, at a better price. I toured their manufacturing facility and they were getting ready to bring a huge facility on line. Then the license was pulled. They would have eaten Apple's lunch with computers.

So that will never, ever, happen again.

Considering Apple is hardly interested in building computers anymore, that really isn't an issue. LOL

 

[dspdoc]

So much of your post is exactly how I feel, and I know there is a growing number of people (and pro users) like us. A good number of photographers have already begun migrating to Windows.

I started with the Apple IIe, and had never used any computer other than an Apple until December of 2017 -- and the list of Apple Computers I've used and owned is rather long. I was a total and loyal fanboy. Conversely, I never found them to be a good value, but I loved them anyway, and was always willing to pay up for one that fit my needs -- especially for my 2009 quad core Mac Pro.

But that came to a crashing end with the 2013 Mac Pro, when Schiller said, "Can't innovate, my eye"...

Apple was so hell bent on breaking something that wasn't broken, they completely forgot about functionality and usability. They ignored how the power users...used their workstation.

The 2009-2012 Mac Pro had the perfect case - so it only needed an update. Instead of cheese grater Mac Pro with USB 2 and Firewire ports, they could have had a Cheese Grater Mac Pro with (6) USB 3 ports and (6) Thunderbolt ports, upgraded CPUs and a regular stock user upgradable video card. ...Then keep updating the processor over the past few years. That would have been all it took to keep me.

I didn't want to have to purchase a separate enclosure for hard drives -- that would have only driving the price of the system up. Nor did I want an all-in-one iMac with limited upgradability. The MacBook Pro had memory and GPU limitations.

When Capture One Pro started leveraging multiple cores a few years ago, suddenly the 6 and 8 core workstations started looking more and more tempting. But the 2013 Mac Pro just wasn't going to cut it. 1) it was a bad design. 2) it was $5,000 for an 8-core and $4,000 for a 6-core. Way too rich for my small business blood.

So I stuck it out with my 2009 quad core Mac Pro, upgraded to an SSD boot drive and Sapphire Radeon 7950 HD Mac Edition GPU. And waited over the next few years to see what Apple would do with the Mac Pro. Maybe they'd update the computers, and the 2013 prices would come down quite a bit to make room for the new releases. ...it never happened.

I finally gave up on Apple in December of 2017 and built my PC to fit my needs, as I knew, at that point, Apple was never going to do it.

I say go for it. I'm incredibly happy I did it. It kind of feels freeing to longer be trapped Apple's lack of interest in their professional users. Especially considering they rarely give a wide range of professional users good options.

Cheers
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Considering Apple is hardly interested in building computers anymore, that really isn't an issue. LOL

I’ve spent the entire day compiling the components for my new PC build. Very heartbreaking but liberating at the same time. Kind of feels like breaking up with a lost love that is no longer there for you.... Tim’s Apple is a lonely place. I miss Steve.

 

[Skeptical.me]

I would read up on it first at tonymacx86.com and hackintosher.com. I used the Clover installer instead of Multibeast. It can get way over your heard if its your first time. Since I already had experience, this time around with these Clover/Multibeast tools I got a hackintosh setup and running in a few hours.

I would look for guides that have similar hardware as yours. Google your hardware and hackintosh. You'll see a lot of users that will have experiences setting up their Hackintosh (mostly first time users).

I love this hackintosh. It's very fast and compared to my Win 10 machine, everything seems crisper and much clearer.

I also haven't come across panics or anything not working. I've installed the Nvidia web driver with a script I found on tonymacx86.com. Simple.

Awesome, I'll have some fun settings that up, or at least trying too lol thanks

 

[Altis]

I bought an iMac in September with the educational discount. It was my first desktop since 2004 (I sold that iMac in 2005 because pre-iCloud it was too much of a pain to try to sync with my laptop.) I’ve had top-of the line Apple laptops continuously since 1999.

I had a number of options for processor, drive and RAM. I chose an internal SSD and processor that met my needs, ordered the minimum RAM and upgraded with 3rd party RAM in less than five minutes. This is the nicest computer I’ve had in 34 years of Macs and it was, in my view, a bargain. It is a joy to use. As a consumer, I’ve never been happier with Apple. This does not mean YOU are happy. But keep in mind that others are.

You sound just like Tim Cook at his keynotes.

You have almost no ability to either upgrade or repair your iMac. And when you do replace it, you get to pay for a whole new monitor despite having that beautiful one already.

 

[nt5672]

If Apple does that, they can't compete and sell their hardware.

Apple does not want to sell computer hardware, at least based on their poor support of the Mac line of products.
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This is not true. The current keyboards are not wireless if you plug in the cables. You can disable bluetooth on the computer and the keyboard will still function.

Sure does, I was told just the opposite at Best Buy. Now if we could only get the same option on the magic mouse. Oh wait, if the mouse dies, you have to wait for it to charge before you can use it. Thats Ive.

 

[artfossil]

You sound just like Tim Cook at his keynotes.

You have almost no ability to either upgrade or repair your iMac. And when you do replace it, you get to pay for a whole new monitor despite having that beautiful one already.

I don’t need to upgrade my iMac. As for repairs, I have AppleCare.

Just another point of view. My own. Not anyone else’s.

 

[KPandian1]

Nieval If I have indeed fallen afoul of any posting rules (and I may well have), then I accept full responsibility for my actions and any repercussions that follow.

[QUOTE="Nieval, post: 26169788, member: 171259"]What do mean by this sentence? What do you Tim Cook deserves to be criticised on? Please elaborate.[/QUOTE]

Get a room and leave us alone - we have really interesting things to read here.

 

[TitaniumTiti]

Money doesn't matter: I make my computers last, so the higher price is actually the most economical option in the end. I always buy the top configuration in the Macs I purchase.


Nope. Science area. Multiplatform development of scientific apps, where standards are a must. The idea that OpenGL/OpenCL are for "gamers" is just nonsense (and one of the worst mistakes MacRumours did when posting an article stating that dropping OpenGL/CL was bad for games, while it's bad for everything except for iOS propaganda).

Same goes around here, CAD software develeopment, time to drop OS X support soon, I won’t have 2 different rendering engine and language to support. OpenGL trying to move to Vulkan. No way I will split the code for Metal only forna small market. Support cross platform with such a tiny market share was essential to OS X and that what made him great! Now the sky is cloudy with arm rumors and deprecated any 3D rendering. Imagine all the Qt app will not work without OpenGL too even if they don’t do pure 3D, the 2D rendering is full OpenGL, they are trying to adapt to Vulkan. But metal support into a cross platform tools framework will probably be a no go. People don’t realize how much stuff still use opengl. Bah, if they think it will benefit them, I will wish them luck, but I will pass and wish them good luck they will need it. With the bad backward compatibility on OS X, the number of apps that will stop working will be amazing. How to paint yourself into a corner in one leason!

 

[alien3dx]

still not end 75 pages.. admin should kinda lock this thread or it will become 2000 post for sure.

 

[dspdoc]

still not end 75 pages.. admin should kinda lock this thread or it will become 2000 post for sure.

Why should a thread be locked where people are fully expressing themselves, and in a round about way possibly communicating to Apple how uneasy their user base is? I’d call that productive.

 

[alien3dx]

Why should a thread be locked where people are fully expressing themselves, and in a round about way possibly communicating to Apple how uneasy their user base is? I’d call that productive.

I'm sad too but before when i say like this it just a troll seemwise while i'm also long time use computer from the disket era. Yeah productive, but i'm now sad paying 1 grand basic imac 2017 while people complain here saying it not worth.. 16 GB if in windows pretty joke to me, i don't like vm. I dual boot if i wanted too(Old days era before vm mushroom) .

I buy mac for work ,not for aesthetic purpose.

 

[themacobserver]

Could it be that Apple is planning to unveil a completely refreshed Mac lineup in its September event? I can't imagine that Apple has any other reason for not updating their Mac lineup for such a long time. They probably want the biggest surprise effect possible.

 

[dspdoc]

Could it be that Apple is planning to unveil a completely refreshed Mac lineup in its September event? I can't imagine that Apple has any other reason for not updating their Mac lineup for such a long time. They probably want the biggest surprise effect possible.

That’s fine and all. The problem is they keep repeating these stagnating cycles. It’s like 1 step forward and 2 steps back. This has been going on for years and years now. I can’t imagine that all of a sudden they are going to release a whole new lineup and stay current after that.

 

[EDS66]

still not end 75 pages.. admin should kinda lock this thread or it will become 2000 post for sure.

This is one of the best threads this site has produced to date. People are speaking their minds. The number of posts is a measure of distress felt by the loyal, enthusiastic, and productivity-oriented contingent of the Apple fan base. The greater the number of posts, the greater the possibility that the Leviathan that is Apple might notice this outcry.