As much as I know that posting someone else opinion as evidence is not really evidence, I still find it strange that you chose a post where they said they calculated his income back of an envelope (not exactly a claim of accuracy) and said it was Reddit’s fault he didn’t pay fees.
Can you explain to me why Narwhal was able to move forward with the business and apollo cant? I can give you a reason because apollo is a grifter.
Everything reported makes it sound like Narwhal got an exemption from the rules. Sounds believable, since I’m seeing several things associated with Reddit getting exemptions from the rules.
nope they have announced that they will be paying the API costs
They’re not even sad Reddit is going away. They’re just sad that Apollo is going away. This thread is basically just an Apollo fan club.
Do you have a link? The only news story I can find is a Verge article where they say he has pulled advertising from Narwhal and will be introducing Narwal 2 with a subscription model in a few months. If that is still accurate it sounds like Reddit probably went for his suggestion that they not charge him for access if he doesn’t make any money from the app. Either way, it should be good for Narwhal users, as they get to keep using the original app for now and I expect version 2 will be coming out as soon as he can possibly finish it, since he now has a lot of incentive. I assume he will deactivate V1 when V2 becomes available
Thanks! I guess I should have waited a few minutes, as your post with link showed up for me when I posted my request for a link.
It is just a single thread, but they didn’t seem that bad when I clicked on the announcement link provided by bsolar. For some inexplicable reason I was expecting them to be much worse. It seemed like there were fewer Reddit fans there, though, and a few NSFW words followed by u/spez. Weird stuff.
I’m pretty sure /u/spez has throughly burned that bridge already.
You are completely ignoring the part where the Apollo dev said he and other third party app developers totally understood having to pay for API access and were more than willing to work with Reddit until Reddit gave a completely unreasonable price that just wasn't going to work. The issue wasn't that Reddit wanted to start charging, the problem was how much they were asking, and the timeline for the change (30 days). A more reasonable price and 6 months or a year for app devs to make changes would have been fine and avoided this whole thing. I highly suggest you go and read the Apollo dev's posts on it on reddit before continuing to discuss this because it's clear you don't actually understand what when down here.
Only if you visit subreddits that have that. Reddit can be whatever you want it to be by the subreddit's you choose to subscribe to.
Both things were an issue. The cost was unreasonably high and the timeline too short. To continue to run Apollo he would have had to charge subscription rates that would make most people decide it's not worth it causing it to fail anyways in the long run. Reddit had said a month prior to this that they would come to the table with a reasonable price and then did the opposite. Then u/spez decided to accuse the apollo dev of threatening Reddit when on a call where there was just a misunderstanding that had been cleared up on the call (Christian posted actual audio of the call). I think he was willing to continue to work with Reddit in some capacity until that happened.
How is the refund policy misleading. He has been nothing but clear about it. He is giving people the chance to not accept the refund if they want (Yes he has made good money, but he made one hell of a good app and was really good about communicating things and fixing bugs). But if you do nothing you get refunded by default. How is that misleading?
He absolutely does have costs. He's talked about them before on Reddit... Push notifications were one cost. He had hired a part time dev to handle server backend stuff for him too so he wasn't a completely lone dev. The backend server will have monthly costs as well as the other dev. I'm sure he has made good money here, but it's not like he is some billionaire milking everything for what it's worth. The monitor thing was ONE time, and it was fairly early on in Apollo's life where he most likely was not making the big bucks he may have been making now. I get what you are saying, but I think you are blowing it way way out of proportion. He has annual subscriptions too, not just monthly so that 1/4 million isn't just monthly, but some portion is annual. We don't know what that split is so no point in speculating too hard.
Those net worth calculators have been proven to be wildly wrong many times in the past. I've seen multiple interviews with people who get told the number and they laugh at it and say "I wish".
