He makes $5000 in just one day, for what cost? Go ahead I'll wait
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I’m a wedding photographer and I can make 5000€ in one day too. I’m nowhere near a millionaire. This means nothing especially and obviously when taken out of context.
His is software. He makes that every day by doing nothing.
This is insane to me.
-Apollo looked like it was designed in two seconds by a fourth grader. It had a very Android-y look, even though it was designed natively on iOS. It looked like the mobile equivalent of old reddit before the redesign. Maybe that's why some people liked it: they also preferred using old reddit?
-I can understand that it may have had some additional functionality that some users may have liked. But I've always preferred the official app in terms of UI and it's not particularly close.
-Now, Tweetbot's loss really upset me. I use twitter exclusively through various lists (politics, technology, friends, etc), but I can't browse twitter that way using the official app because the official app doesn't remember where I left off. So I can't use twitter the same way using the official app that I used it with Tweetbot. That was a real loss. Whereas with Apollo, there's no loss for me at all.
What you’re saying makes no sense.
Did he not develop the software?
Does he not pay running costs and taxes from owning a business?
Do he not need to eat or support a family or house himself?
It’s so painfully obvious you don’t run a business it’s embarrassing to read what you’re writing.
Do you think that just another forum post is supposed to somehow validate anything you have said? Because it really doesn’t.
If I calculate my income on the back of a napkin I have also earnt a fortune. But that means nothing does it, unless it’s sat in the bank and earnt on top of what your outgoings and costs are.
You are fixated on a single thing and that makes your view narrow minded. This is not conducive to any form of decent conversation about anything.
I don't think the developer is destitute or anything and it might very well be that he made millions, but this post picture and the one posted before are definitely not good evidence supporting anything of the sort.
- The first post... someone claims that someone else, not clear who, on a podcast did some quick math, which we don't even know the basis of.
- The second post doesn't even provide any argument, it simply states that he's "likely a multimillionaire" without any kind of source or rationale supporting the claim.
"a better UI" is what I've been hearing/reading. i've only used Apollo for a little bit and i dont really care for the UI but can appreciate the features actually working.
Good. Moderators that don't like it should leave. Someone will happily take over for free.
There. That's better.
I mean you are right these aren’t proofs it’s just additional opinion from other forums.
In the end I don’t condone freeloading behaviours. And I am glad he is booted from this loophole after he’s already made millions.
That's a different debate. The argument you're making is that platform will crater if moderation quality goes down. I'm saying the moderation quality is already down for a while yet people are staying.
But freeloading is something else than what he was doing, no? He was using a freely available api for arguably what it was made for. There is no situation where that can be classed as freeloading.
Reddit itself disagrees that what he was doing was freeloading as they clearly stated third-party applications provide value to Reddit.
Now of course Reddit is also of the opinion that the value exchange was too far off balance in favour of the API user, which is a reasonable argument, but it does not imply that the user was providing no value in return, which is a necessary component of freeloading.
It can if he was providing no value in return. This is arguably not the case though as Reddit itself recognized the value of third-party applications.
I have to agree.
I have spent the last few days reading - both sides.
It is one thing to have an informed opinion and state it, discussing it with the intent of conversation. It is another thing to go out of one's way to make irrational and unsupported statements that throw dirt on the individual in question that the thread is for and continue to make disparaging remarks towards the members who support the developer.
During my time on Macrumors, I've learned a lot reading opinions from people who had different views than my own especially in the political threads that Macrumors used to have, but here, this is more intentional baiting, trolling, and constant rehashing of disparaging remarks. (This should be ok to say as it is not directed at a specific member, if not, report away). Not all are doing this, to be clear.
There really is not anything to learn from this. There was no attempt to understand the situation, but only make disparaging statements that any person who understood the situation would shake their head at.
Much better posters than me have spent time trying to reason with these folks and they were ignored. The intent seems clear to me. <shrug>.
In the end, I have a much less desire to participate on Macrumors to feed the .... the attention getting.
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If you think it's fair for Reddit to allow usage of the API for free up until now then you should also think it's fair for Reddit to start charging XYZ for using the API without negotiation. You can't have one without the other.
And no, a negotiation did happen, just nothing resulted from that negotiation.
If it’s something provided for free with no commitments why can’t it be taken away at any moments notice?
Reddit can do what they like. That’s not in question by anyone at all. Not even the dev. How things are done is another kettle of fish. They did something which the dev felt he could no longer afford under his circumstances, and not something he felt he could pass the cost over to his clients. What are you trying to say again?
It can. No one questions that ability. Should it be though? That’s the issue.
I'm saying there should be no animosity/drama. If the developer feels like they can no longer pass the cost, then he should thank Reddit for allowing him to use the free API for all these years, simply stop developing the app, and move on to the next app.
Instead, Christian stuck around, recording phone calls/negotiations, painting Reddit as extremely evil, trying to stick it to Reddit instead of being grateful, and etc...
As much as I don't care much about Tweetbot, at least those guys were relatively quiet + almost drama free, and moved on quickly to the next app.
Brass tax is this…
Reddit as a company produces nothing. They make nothing. It’s the users who contributed their time to this site and made it “the front page of the internet.” Reddit could have absolutely charged a reasonable rate for api access, could have absolutely given 3rd party developers reasonable time to implement the changes.
If you’re against these ideas, then Reddit should have blocked 3rd party apps from the beginning. It should have blocked web browser access 10 years ago and forced users to use the official app like instagram does. They could have made an official app that users would happily use.
Instead, Reddit made these terrible decisions that have given them bad pr, loss of good will among its user base, and has drained its Wall Street value by 66%. These were all self inflicted wounds.
Will Reddit bounce back from this, I have no idea. There are plenty of social media sites that never recovered from a wound this bad and deep, (digg, MySpace, Friendster, etc). There are also examples of companies that faced an exponential threat to the company and not only survived but thrived afterwards. Best example is Apple and antennagate. Steve Jobs chose not to hide, not to blame it’s users, but to apologize, to explain the issue, to offer a fix for the issue and for those that weren’t satisfied, a full refund of the device.
Look where Apple is today.
Reddit as a company produces nothing. They make nothing. It’s the users who contributed their time to this site and made it “the front page of the internet.” Reddit could have absolutely charged a reasonable rate for api access, could have absolutely given 3rd party developers reasonable time to implement the changes.
If you’re against these ideas, then Reddit should have blocked 3rd party apps from the beginning. It should have blocked web browser access 10 years ago and forced users to use the official app like instagram does. They could have made an official app that users would happily use.
Instead, Reddit made these terrible decisions that have given them bad pr, loss of good will among its user base, and has drained its Wall Street value by 66%. These were all self inflicted wounds.
Will Reddit bounce back from this, I have no idea. There are plenty of social media sites that never recovered from a wound this bad and deep, (digg, MySpace, Friendster, etc). There are also examples of companies that faced an exponential threat to the company and not only survived but thrived afterwards. Best example is Apple and antennagate. Steve Jobs chose not to hide, not to blame it’s users, but to apologize, to explain the issue, to offer a fix for the issue and for those that weren’t satisfied, a full refund of the device.
Look where Apple is today.
A suit for what? Companies don’t have to provide free API access, let alone any access. He’d be laughed out of court.