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Possible Introduction of Safari Extensions at WWDC

alent1234 said:
why is apple always behind on these things?
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1. Apple has never been 'we gotta offer everything including the kitchen sink' when it comes to software development/features.

2. Apple tends to take more time than most when they do roll out complex features because they feel its important to give said features A LOT of forethought so it's implemented in such a way to remove as many 'negatives' normally associated with said features.

'Cut n Paste' in a touch UI is one example as well as offering a RESPONSIBLE multitasking feature in its iPhone OS.

In cut-n-paste... most will agree Apples implementation is very well done and while the new iPhone OS has yet to ship many believe that Apples multitasking implementation will also reduce many of negatives normally attributed to that feature on other mobile OS platforms (like Android).
 
Plugin “management” in Firefox is a joke.

[1] The ones you use are never ready when there's an update.
[2] They always need updating, a time consuming process involving multiple clicks.
[3] The damn thing has to restart afterwards.

I probably notice this more because I only launch Firefox once every week or two, but when I do I can guarantee one of the first things I'll be doing is restarting.
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Updates are for suckers.
Plugin support should have been here already, this isn't a maybe, this is a must
 
cmaier said:
Between that and webkit2, probably enough of a reason for me to switch back from chrome.
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The real beauty of OS X is all the browsers are very much self-contained and bopping back and forth between 2, 3, 4 or more really isn't that big a deal. That is except for saved web passwords, cookies and other niceties we've come to count on.
 
My first Safari extension choice would be a cookie manager like those in other browsers. Let me enable/disable cookies by domain or set them to auto-delete after my session, all within the Safari -> Preferences -> Security -> Show Cookies window.
 
Because of Apple's need to control the ecosystem and user experience, I can only see this happening if the plug-ins were solely available through the app store and its approval process.
 
Good to see Safari users benefitting from some competition! I hope Gruber’s right.

alent1234 said:
why is apple always behind on these things?
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Good question. I’ve noticed that Apple always seems to be ahead on SOME things, rather than ahead on ALL things all the time. Weird. Plus, sometimes they release something good rather than rushing to be first with a bullet point. Or they do one thing first as a priority, and then another thing gets done afterward, instead of doing all possible things at the same time like a normal company. Apple needs to realize that if they’re behind on one thing, that’s all that matters—and all the stuff the other companies are behind on does not matter.
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-us; Archos5 Build/Donut) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1)

Extension store with apple approval process?

No iAd blocker for you! :p
 
I want 3 things from safari, and i'm tempted enough to put this in a red front in caps font point 72 like a newbie..

1: fav icons in the tab bar!!

2: be able to adjust the tab width as i have a zillion open

3: downloadthemall (the FF extension)

4: Ok, i lied. A pop up blocker.
 
Lord Vader said:
If it's implemented in an magical way.
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Fixed it for you :D

Great addition, though this may open up a can of worms.

ChazUK said:
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-us; Archos5 Build/Donut) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1)

Extension store with apple approval process?

No iAd blocker for you! :p
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... and is this another reason for the HTML5 push?
 
DaveGee said:
The real beauty of OS X is all the browsers are very much self-contained and bopping back and forth between 2, 3, 4 or more really isn't that big a deal. That is except for saved web passwords, cookies and other niceties we've come to count on.
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True. Though updating chrome doesn't require a reboot :)

I just remembered another thing I'll miss if I return to safari: the unified search/url input bar. Hopefully an extension sdk would allow that to be simulated somehow. The split second it takes me to remember where to direct my input is annoying.
 
Naturally they will all have to be pre-approved by Apple and only available for install via some app store I am sure.
 
Glims is good but as i remember, you can't type part of a URL and it recognise it? if the URL is

https://forums.macrumors.com

if you type mac it won't recolonize it, only does the first letters...unless they updated it? I could be wrong
 
I got to say since getting a Mac and switching to nightly's of Webkit, I haven't missed plugins that much. I can still block ads and that's the main thing for me. But it will be a nice thing to have.
 
baryon said:
I don't much care for extensions, I bet they're just going to make the browser slower. I hated Firefox because each time you launch it, it first wants to install freaking updates to extensions I didn't even intend to use right away. And you can't freaking browse while it installs! Anyway, extensions suck on Firefox, they don't follow any kind of logical GUI schemes or anything, they're buggy and freaking slow, I hope Safari won't follow that!
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I've come to view Firefox extensions as being pretty sucky (though not as terrible as IE8's addon system!).

However, Chrome's extension system is wonderful - updates happen in the background - and the latest Chrome with about 12 extensions installed still feels speedier (to me) than clean Safari in Snow Leopard.

If there's a newer Safari that feels as speedy as Chrome and has extensions done similarly elegantly, I'll be interested to at least try it. I'll probably still stick with Chrome for the bookmark syncing...
 
nagromme said:
Good question. I’ve noticed that Apple always seems to be ahead on SOME things, rather than ahead on ALL things all the time. Weird. Plus, sometimes they release something good rather than rushing to be first with a bullet point. Or they do one thing first as a priority, and then another thing gets done afterward, instead of doing all possible things at the same time like a normal company. Apple needs to realize that if they’re behind on one thing, that’s all that matters—and all the stuff the other companies are behind on does not matter.
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One could say that, but they sure are behind on lots of things.

What Apple is ahead on, is fooling it's user base into thinking they don't need it, or it's somehow 'not cool and magical' technology.

I am glad to see rumors of another benefit to Safari. I rather like Safari.
 
alent1234 said:
why is apple always behind on these things?
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I think that Apple (generally) like to do a few things really well, and everything else is ok or behind. And those few things are compelling enough to make it highly marketable to the targeted audience. In the case of Safari plug-ins, it's behind.


P.
 
DaveGee said:
1. Apple has never been 'we gotta offer everything including the kitchen sink' when it comes to software development/features.

2. Apple tends to take more time than most when they do roll out complex features because they feel its important to give said features A LOT of forethought so it's implemented in such a way to remove as many 'negatives' normally associated with said features.

'Cut n Paste' in a touch UI is one example as well as offering a RESPONSIBLE multitasking feature in its iPhone OS.

In cut-n-paste... most will agree Apples implementation is very well done and while the new iPhone OS has yet to ship many believe that Apples multitasking implementation will also reduce many of negatives normally attributed to that feature on other mobile OS platforms (like Android).
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except that browser extensions have been around for years. only time i use safari is for my son's youtube videos because flash on OS X sucks worse than HTML5
 
Gruber is correct. I've also heard that Safari 5 integrates ClickToFlash, which will piss off Adobe even further but will be good for everyone else.
 
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