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If my fiancee and I both get an iPhone, it's not only $1200 +tax for the hardware, but $60/mo for the cheapest family plan and $40/mo * 2 for two data plans. Over two years, that's $4560... which is a significant proportion of our combined income.

This is a very valid point, and doesn't take into consideration that you may be inclined to buy accessories. After a couple of bluetooth headsets and cases you'll be pushing $5000 for two years. That is a lot of money, regardless of who you are.

Now, some of this isn't unique to the iPhone. In general, the cost of ownership of "smart phones" is much higher than a normal, free (or almost free) cell phone and a basic rate plan. What IS unique is that the iPhone is appealing to a new market- a market that previously, at best, owned a Motorola RAZR. Most of the folks you see using Blackberry type devices are business people who are already used to paying a lot of money for cell phone capability. In some cases their companies pay for the plan, or in other cases these folks mentally write it off as a necessary career expense that they have to pay for.

So, over the last few years, people got used to paying $300 for an iPod. I suspect that this was a new thing for Joe Consumer... in the past he may have never considered paying $300 for such a device. The prior benchmarks were things like cassette walkmans and portable CD players. So at first glance $500 seems like a large, but potentially achievable jump from the $300 price point. However, as shown, the cost of ownership is actually much higher. Are everyday consumers willing to shell out 5% or more of their income to own and operate a phone?

Personally, I think the iPhone is going to be great. It may take a revision or two to get to that point, but it really does have potential. I don't think the pricing issues are unique to the iPhone. It is an issue with the cost of ownership of any "smart phone." Even basic cell phone plans haven't really gotten much cheaper over the years. The only thing that helps me justify the cost of a family plan is the fact that we booted our home phone service and as a result save a reasonable amount of money each month on that.
 
Wait a second, if they are holding the iphones at fedex locations until friday, why would apple tell their employees that they cant bring cell phones or notebooks to work. There would be nothing to take pictures of, or report about! whats going on here?:p
 
If all you want is voice and text then how do you expect to use the widgets and maximize the phone...Everything about the Iphone screams data to use...

Google maps = data
Widgets = data
Safari = data
YouTube = data
 
Wait a second, if they are holding the iphones at fedex locations until friday, why would apple tell their employees that they cant bring cell phones or notebooks to work. There would be nothing to take pictures of, or report about! whats going on here?:p

good point. if so, the report is false and we still know nOothing!
 
Look at the current data + voice plans that are currently availible. I seriously doubt they will make any existing customer switch to a more expensive plan just to have an iPhone. If anything the "Special iPhone Plan" will be an all-in-one type plan where you get an unlimited data plan and you choose your minutes for a REDUCED rate. Apple wants to make the process as smooth and simple as they can. I doubt they would have the same process as people go through purchasing a normal phone. Paying $600 upfront for a phone is giving me the idea that the iPhone plan will have a lower price than the normal plans.


jeremy

While I totally see the logic here from the user's point of view, my guess is AT&T's logic goes more like this:

1) We don't like our customers having WiFi-enabled phones; it let's them avoid paying for our data services.

2) Apple is strong-arming us to allow their device to include WiFi.

3) We'll allow our customers to use a WiFi-enabled phone, but only if they are required to pay for an unlimited data plan on our network--regardless of whether they use it.

From Apple's point of view it goes this way:

1) We see this device as an all-in-one Phone, iPod, and Internet Communicator.

2) We are all about simplicity.

3) Therefore, core functionality (Internet Communicator) needs to be available all the time; customers should be required to have an unlimited data plan.

From both comapnies' points of view, requiring unlimited data serves their interests, protecting AT&T's revenue stream and Apple's image as the "it just works" company. (Imagine the bad press from people frustrated by how much functionality disappears when outside a WiFi hotspot. Or worse, if some mid-range data plan (pay by the KB or MB) were offered, imagine the bad press from huge data overages from every time a widget refreshed!)

Either way, required unlimited data seems to be in any iPhone customer's future.
 
Thats not a terrible price range...2000 Text, I'd price at 17.50(1500 for 15 bucks, 20 for unlimited)..so 17.50 for unlimted data?

I can live with that!

**If those are the real prices
 
I called att this morning, and they said they were not going to make people change their current plans. I have am part of a corporate plan, and the rep i talked to said that would work fine.
Not sure if a different rep would give a different story.
I got the exact opposite response this weekend. The rep told me I'd lose my corporate discount, as the iPhone would only be allowed on personal accounts.
 
If all you want is voice and text then how do you expect to use the widgets and maximize the phone...Everything about the Iphone screams data to use...

Google maps = data
Widgets = data
Safari = data
YouTube = data

Do you realize that wifi is free? That's my plan.
 
I don't mind getting a data plan but having to spend $35-$45 a month for data and texting (assuming there is only 1 plan available) would suck!!!

I text probably 10 times a month. $20 for unlimited data and not a penny more!
 
I can't believe the plan will cost this much. Apple knows they need to hit a sweet spot with price, and they are going after consumers, not business types. After micro managing every little detail of the launch of this phone there is no way they would let AT&T require such an expensive data plan. Look at the hit this rumor just put on Apple's stock!
 
If all you want is voice and text then how do you expect to use the widgets and maximize the phone...Everything about the Iphone screams data to use...

Google maps = data
Widgets = data
Safari = data
YouTube = data

its called "wifi". i dont think you realize how slow edge is, have you ever used edge?
 
Do you realize that wifi is free? That's my plan.

I can see your point then if your going to have WIFI all the time....At my place of work no wifi at the moment so will use the data plan if needed...If Im out and about probably will have to use the data minutes instead of wifi...

Dont get me wrong I would Love for it to be cheaper but come to realize with cingular this is just the way it is...Get ready to bend over.
 
I just cannot believe people look ate $35-45/month for data on top of the usual overly high price for cell phone plans and can say that is reasonable. As much as I would like an iPhone, I will be waiting until AT&T loses their exclusive so there is some competition for the device. I'm perfectly happy paying only $15/month for unlimited data on my Treo 700p through Sprint. In Madison, WI coverage is much better than AT&T and even when I am out of network my data plan still works wonderfully. No way am I paying more for data on my cell phone than I do for DSL to my home.
 
Sigh, I wish they wouldn't lump data and text together. I seriously never text and if I do, I'd rather pay up to $.25 cents per because that's how often I text... maybe 5 times a month and that's a stretch.

Data on the other hand I use and abuse so I'd pay for that. I just don't want to have to pay for text if I'm not using it.
 
I just cannot believe people look ate $35-45/month for data on top of the usual overly high price for cell phone plans and can say that is reasonable. As much as I would like an iPhone, I will be waiting until AT&T loses their exclusive so there is some competition for the device. I'm perfectly happy paying only $15/month for unlimited data on my Treo 700p through Sprint. In Madison, WI coverage is much better than AT&T and even when I am out of network my data plan still works wonderfully. No way am I paying more for data on my cell phone than I do for DSL to my home.

Amen :D
 
Is this honestly a surprise to anyone? This is what my bill looks like-

NATP900RUMMUNW 59.99
ANSWER TONES 0.99
MEDIA MAX 1000 BUNDLE 29.99
TOTAL MONTHLY SERVICE CHARGES $90.97
TOTAL CREDITS, ADJUSTMENTS & OTHER CHARGES $2.46
TOTAL GOVERNMENT FEES & TAXES $11.96
TOTAL AMOUNT DUE $105.39

900 minutes with rollover, voicemail, mobile to mobile and all the other junk they throw in to their voice plans. Answer tones just because, and 1000 sms/mms messages with unlimited non-3G data.

I think it's hilarious you people are more than willing to pay $600, tax, and all the associated activation fees... but are up in arms over the monthly fees.
 
CNBC said the voice/data plans would be over a $100/month,

My current voice plan is $40, if I add a $35 data plan doesn't that make it 75/month? Well below the "FACT" reported my CNBC. Even a $45 data plan only brings the total to $85/month. Still well short of CNBC's sensationalist "over $100/month"

You know the end is near when the "News Networks" are no more accurate than the rumor blogs...

Come on guys

Easy. I have a T-Mobile plan that comes to $45.99/month. After taxes, it comes to $57 month.

I see an $85/month plan easily over $100/month with taxes...
 
Easy. I have a T-Mobile plan that comes to $45.99/month. After taxes, it comes to $57 month.

How little uniformity there is in surcharges is crazy... My base plan is $39.95 + $4.95 for a texting plan = $49.90 or so with all charges. Which makes it seem like I'm doing a lot better than you. :eek:
 
Which of these two scenarios is more appealing?

$500 + $40/month for data= $1460 + voice plan
$740 + $30/month for data= $1460 + voice plan

If those are the numbers the first is obviously superior due to the time value of money. What do I win?
 
What I don't understand from all of these comments is why someone would buy an iPhone and not have a data plan. Are these posters saying they'd buy a "mobile Internet device" and use it only as a telephony-based iPod? :confused:
 
Right in line with what I was expecting..

My phone bill will be around $85-$95... seeing as how I am paying $75 with tmobile now with NO data plan and with a craptastic phone.... a $10 to $20 more per month deal with unlimited data, and a kick ass iPhone is what I was expecting...

:)
 
I also think that Apple needs to hit a sweet spot with data pricing. They want this to be the next iPod and this is just out of that demographic's price range. My preference would be $20, but I'd go as high as 29.99. I think any higher than that and I can't justify buying one.

And don't tell me that "it's not for you" because Apple wants as many of these out there as it can get. Imagine the rage if Steve saw a large amount of people saying that they want to buy the phone and can afford to buy it, but opted out because of the data plan.
 
Average phone plus basic voice plan vs. iPhone basic voice + data:

1.) $1060 for two years = $50 phone + 12($40) voice plan
2.) $2420 for two years = $500 iPhone + 12($40) data + 12($40) voice plan

That is a big difference coming from a $50 phone with normal package. However, coming from a Treo etc.- it's right on par, other than a slightly higher initial phone cost. I hope folks know that $40 is pretty good for a PDA unlimited data plan. Anything LESS than that would be a bargain, and I imagine that Steve negotiated for that.

If AT&T wasn't paying any subsidy on the iPhone itself, they must be making a deal for the customers in pricing.
 
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