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Haven't seen one of these threads (apologies if there is one) so I thought I'd try and get one started. I'd love to see everybody's favorite PowerPC Macs - whether it's one you've owned in the past, one you currently own, or just one that you've always loved, as well as why.

My No.1 pick has to be the Bondi Blue iMac G3 - for reasons I honestly can't quite describe. I'm a huge fan of translucent plastics, so that probably plays into it a lot. Even at the time of their release, they weren't the most technologically advanced machines available but something about them just captivates me like nothing else.

My other favorite probably has to go to the Power Mac G4 Cube - it's such a unique design that I'd love to see Apple try their hand at again. There's just something great about so many of the various designs of that era that remind me why the PPC era of Macintosh is my favorite, though one I feel like Apple have, sadly, moved on from in favor of more "conventional" designs.
 
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Without a doubt, the iMac G4.
Ooh, that's another good choice. I have to admit though (at the risk of being chased with pitchforks and henceforth banished from MacRumors) that the iMac G4 took quite a while for me to fully appreciate. I always liked how unique the design was, but never liked the design itself.

It was only somewhat recently that my opinions have started to change on it, but now I can't see what I couldn't find to love about it.
I've seen so many threads where you magically pull out several links to different threads that people don't seem to find, and it makes me wonder if I'm not using the search feature as effectively as I could be, or if you have a meticulous collection of every thread there, sorted into various bookmark folders that you can pull up and present at will.

Never fails to amaze me :)
 
I've seen so many threads where you magically pull out several links to different threads that people don't seem to find, and it makes me wonder if I'm not using the search feature as effectively as I could be, or if you have a meticulous collection of every thread there, sorted into various bookmark folders that you can pull up and present at will.
I just told the search feature to scan this subforum for thread titles containing "Favorite" and "Favourite" . :)
 
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Quicksilver dual 1ghz - because it was my first powerpc mac, easy to work on & easy to upgrade and looks cool.
Powermac G5 dc 2.0ghz- because in 2023 it is a very usable computer for my DD tasks and doesn't leak special sauce.
Powermac G3 b&w - because it's a clear push away from beige in its design language.
 
I'm from the old school 68K era, but for PPC I've always loved the 8500 and 9500 - the 604 was a floating point beast in its day. I also loved that case design, although it was a pain to work on.
 
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For me, the King of the PPC Macs has been, and always will be the pre-ADC Sawtooth G4s, even including the infamous Yikes! models. They didn't have some of the teething issues of the Rev. A Yosemite models, and thanks to their judicious use of affordable and widely available industry standard parts, were incredibly customizable and upgradeable. And they didn't suffer from the PSU issues that came up with the later Digital Audio and Quicksilver G4s. Sure the CPU wasn't the best, but you could totally replace and upgrade it, if you wanted to.

One of the main hitches was finding ways to flash PC graphics cards to use in them, but back when I was daily driving one there was a wonderful eBay seller, who had great deals on flashed low-end Nvidia graphics cards that easily beat out the stock Rage 128 Pro. (Once in a while I'd also find an MDD owner looking to get rid of their stock Radeon 9000 Pro.) Another hitch that wasn't so easy to surmount was finding affordable and compatible IDE PCI cards that could let me use the extra two internal drive bays at the front of the Mac.

One of the fun things I used to do was find old Sawtooths and find cheap and interesting PCI cards to stuff in the slots, and/or find random IDE DVD burners and Zip drives to put in the front-facing drive bays. One of my Sawtooths has a Motorola 802.11g PCI card that "just worked" thanks to Apple's AirPort drivers, a Firewire 800 PCI card that I found in some random computer parts store, an honest-to-goodness Creative SoundBlaster Live! for Mac card, and a Zip 250 drive that may/may not kill my Zip 100 disks if I speak to it in reassuring tones.
 
For me, the King of the PPC Macs has been, and always will be the pre-ADC Sawtooth G4s, even including the infamous Yikes! models. They didn't have some of the teething issues of the Rev. A Yosemite models, and thanks to their judicious use of affordable and widely available industry standard parts, were incredibly customizable and upgradeable. And they didn't suffer from the PSU issues that came up with the later Digital Audio and Quicksilver G4s. Sure the CPU wasn't the best, but you could totally replace and upgrade it, if you wanted to.
Completely agree. My favourite PPC Macs are those that are low maintenance, reliable, with industry standards, and not too high on power consumption. In that definition, every tower after the G4 Gigabit starts to have reliability/heat/noise problems, and the Sawtooth is just a touch better than the Gigabit for not having ADC and the custom PSU. That's why I put a dual 500 MHz G4 into my Sawtooth.
The Sawtooth G4 was way more revolutionary than I think it gets credit for. The biggest improvement may be the UMA (unified motherboard architecture) and proper implementation of Open Firmware, allowing USB and Firewire booting and target disk mode. Then you have AGP, Airport, 2GB Ram expansion, separate buses for USB (really important feature). Not only that, but compared to the 13+ screws needed to remove a B&W motherboard, the Sawtooth has (I think) 2 screws total.
Add to that the fact that it goes into sleep mode and turns off the fan for complete silence and fantastic energy savings, and man I love that green light when it turns to snoozing orange (sadly removed on future G4s). Apple at the time actually produced an environmental report to showcase the attention to reducing parts and energy consumption- in the year 1999! Making Firewire soldered in rather than a detachable module was one major example of reducing waste and parts. Not to mention, the change of colour to Graphite really marked it as Apple's first true pro Mac in aesthetics.
Other UMA Macs are also great for their reliability: the first gen Clamshells in particular, which actually have the better 512kb cache than the Paris Rev C iBooks (faster CPUs but only 256kb cache); the Pismo Powerbook, and the Slot-load iMac (minus the failing slot-load drive). The G4 iMac is also a nice, stable experience.
My second favourite PPC Mac is probably the Blue and White G3, but compared to the Sawtooth, it feels like ancient technology. I just can't get them to behave and work properly. The Rev B B&Ws have been praised for stability, but I can't seem to get there; I think part of my frustration is my insistence that they run on SSDs for near-silence.
 
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As if I need to elaborate

Well, others of note are models of remarkable backward and forward compatibility.

The Power Macintosh 9600 is one such model. It was able to take on six PCI cards and 1.5GB RAM at a time when that was nigh-unheard of in a Mac.

I’m going to be kind of a troll and include a “Mystic” Macintosh Color Classic “III” with PowerPC card to this list, because I love how extra that is.

Another (please hear me out on this one!) are the final PowerBook G4s — especially the final 17-inch.

Though stopped in their OS X tracks by Apple, post-Leopard, they can still run current variants of Linux (ok, Debian sid, Void, and maybe only a handful of others) and MorphOS in 2023. For a technical angle, they were the only series whose both form factors — 15 and 17 (sorry, 12-inch, you’re an aluminium iBook G4) — came equipped with S/PDIF optical input/output in the mini headphone port. They had FW800 and FW400; a PCMCIA slot (making legacy, SCSI support and later, AirPort-compliant 802.11n wifi possible); a means to run faster, next-gen PC2 RAM; and high-res displays which remained standard Mac laptop resolutions until the Unibody MBPs went on sale. They inherited the mantle of the 2003 models which were first to have backlit keyboards on a laptop and were the first place where Apple began testing post-iBook/PowerBook portable power adapter sockets in what would evolve into MagSafe. They could still run OS 9 in Classic mode. They could burn DVDs. They were equipped with dual-link DVI ports, ample VRAM for the day, and an ability to run high-res displays like the 30-inch Apple Cinema Display. They were designed for a CPU capable of dynamic frequency modes (not unlike the later, more advanced turbo boost modes of Core iX Macs). The only thing they lacked was a 64-bit CPU. :(

The Dual Core 2.3 Power Mac G5 is another I love, and amazingly, one I still don’t have. It hits the sweet spot of the multi-core series, with a logic board on par with the Quad Core, but without being overhyped, overpriced, and overheated. As with all G5s, it’s less backward/forward-compatible than the G4, but still has a lot of still-contemporary features like PCIe and SATA, out of box.

And although not faves, honourable mentions go to the G4 Cube, for being a kind of test-run for the Mac mini, and the iBook G3/900, for being the one place where the rock-stable G3 CPU moved at its quickest (even if GPU issues plagued the series).

For me, the King of the PPC Macs has been, and always will be the pre-ADC Sawtooth G4s, even including the infamous Yikes! models.

They were infamous for very good reason: they were rushed, monster-of-Frankenstein dogs which had no business being sold as OEM. They didn’t even have the legacy ADB port of the Yosemite, despite being in almost every other way a Yosemite. :(

My first Mac was a Yikes! in late October 1999, just after the infamous downclock scandal (on which I got stung). By late November 1999, the logic board had to be replaced by a local Apple authorized repair centre, under warranty (not even AppleCare warranty, which I bought), because audio output up and dropped out on one channel without warning. I managed maybe four years of daily use before the logic board began having a peppering of other issues and quirks — I/O issues with the PATA bus being one of them. I did, at least, get some use of OS X on it — Panther — but had long since stopped using it by the time Tiger came around.

By 2004, I had given up on trying to make fetch happen — no, not the ftp utility — and bought a used, 366MHz indigo iBook G3 to take over as my daily driver, for the then-“bargain” of USD$400. For what was a marginal bump-up in clock speed, even in absence of AltiVec, and a loss of my 19-inch CRT, I got portability, wifi, and the ability to run Tiger without a hitch. That would carry me through my first year in undergrad and continue to get sporadic use by the time the key lime I still run daily showed up in my life the following year (2007) — also for about USD$365, almost the same price as the indigo three years earlier (oh, that key lime premium).

I think my feelings about the first run of G4s would have gone very, very differently had I budgeted instead for the mid-level Sawtooth, which ended up having the targeted clock speed of the 400MHz Yikes! (Yikesemite?) I had ordered just days prior to the downclock scandal.
 

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My first Mac was a Yikes! in late October 1999, just after the infamous downclock scandal (on which I got stung).
Any chance you could elaborate on this? I'm relatively new to the Mac scene in general and I'm not massively familiar with the details of every model. PowerPC Macs seem to be the ones I gravitate toward the most, though I can't say I've heard of this specifically.
 
While a majority of my PowerPC usage has come by way of various PowerBooks of all shapes and sizes, I hold a very soft spot for the eMac. The.... eMac.

I'm not sure, really. It could be that it's the last Mac all-in-one with a CRT. It could be that it's the first (and last) time a Mac came in a model specifically for education. It could be the absolutely beefy room-filling speakers that haven't been matched by a Mac until maybe recently. Perhaps it's the optical drive sticking out not unlike its more expensive iMac counterpart.

Nonetheless, whenever I get the Six Dollar eMac set up and going, I feel a sort of calming bliss. Maybe I should set it up again.

Sidebar, it's kinda goofy how Steve Jobs was adamant on having a slot loading optical drive on the iMac, and then he got his wish with the slot loading iMacs. And then the iMac G4 and eMac had none of that.
 
Any chance you could elaborate on this? I'm relatively new to the Mac scene in general and I'm not massively familiar with the details of every model. PowerPC Macs seem to be the ones I gravitate toward the most, though I can't say I've heard of this specifically.

Sure.

On or around 12th or 13th October 1999, Apple announced a reduction in the clock speed for its newly-released Power Mac/intosh G4* line, which had gone on sale six weeks earlier (31 August 1999) as the first G4 Macs. The 50MHz reduction across the board was due to design and fabrication problems at Motorola, which was making the chips (later, IBM, the third party of the PowerPC Apple-IBM-Motorola, or AIM Alliance, would be recruited to help make up for the shortfall). Atop production hiccups, some early chips at 500MHz (or overclocked beyond) ran into trouble with cache memory corruption. Very few references, shy of sleuthing on Archive-dot-org, are still available now, but one Dutch news story from 15 October 1999 makes mention of it.

For early buyers of the Power Mac/intosh G4 towers, their orders were filled as either the 400MHz Yike!, or 450 & 500MHz Sawtooth models. The controversy around the downclocking of all models to 350MHz, 400MHz, and 450MHz, respectively, wasn’t so much about the slower speed as much as it was the prices were unchanged from before. For anyone who had ordered (and not received) their Power Mac before that October 12th/13th announcement/faux-mea culpa by Apple, they would be receiving a downclocked CPU with no rebate or anything. Memory of this literal bait-and-switch, for those impacted, is long. I ordered the 400MHz Yikes!. I was shipped a 350MHz Yikes!.

So yah. That was a whole thing. A whole annoying thing.

* the Yikes!, with its PCI video slot, was sold as the last Power Macintosh, whereas the Sawtooth, with their AGP video slots, were sold as Power Mac
 
Sure.

On or around 12th or 13th October 1999, Apple announced a reduction in the clock speed for its newly-released Power Mac/intosh G4* line, which had gone on sale six weeks earlier (31 August 1999) as the first G4 Macs. The 50MHz reduction across the board was due to design and fabrication problems at Motorola, which was making the chips (later, IBM, the third party of the PowerPC Apple-IBM-Motorola, or AIM Alliance, would be recruited to help make up for the shortfall). Some chips at 500MHz (or overclocked above) ran into trouble with cache memory corruption. Very few references, shy I sleuthing on Archive-dot-org, are still available now, but one Dutch news story from 15 October 1999 makes mention of it.

For early buyers of the Power Mac/intosh G4 towers, their orders were filled as either the 400MHz Yike!, or 450 & 500MHz Sawtooth models. The controversy around the downclocking of all models to 350MHz, 400MHz, and 450MHz, respectively, wasn’t so much about the slower speed as much as it was the prices were unchanged from before. For anyone who had ordered (and not received) their Power Mac before that October 12th/13th announcement/faux-mea culpa by Apple, they would be receiving a downclocked CPU with no rebate or anything. Memory of this literal bait-and-switch, for those impacted, is long. I ordered the 400MHz Yikes!. I was shipped a 350MHz Yikes!.

So yah. That was a whole thing. A whole annoying thing.

* the Yikes!, with its PCI video slot, was sold as the last Power Macintosh, whereas the Sawtooth, with their AGP video slots, were sold as Power Mac
Wow. I'm honestly shocked they got away with that - I can understand supply issues, stuff happens; if they had to reduce the clock speeds on offer, I suppose that's what they had to do at the time, but not reducing the price or offering rebates on existing orders just seems harsh.
 
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Sidebar, it's kinda goofy how Steve Jobs was adamant on having a slot loading optical drive on the iMac, and then he got his wish with the slot loading iMacs. And then the iMac G4 and eMac had none of that.
I think he tolerated it, because at least the iMac G4 and eMac didn't have the ugly physical opening button. That way you could at least disguise the fact that something would pop out. Also, I think by the 2000s Jony Ive and the engineers had learned how to make a CD tray come out elegantly, rather than roar out mechanically like a beige box.
 
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Wow. I'm honestly shocked they got away with that - I can understand supply issues, stuff happens; if they had to reduce the clock speeds on offer, I suppose that's what they had to do at the time, but not reducing the price or offering rebates on existing orders just seems harsh.

Like, if they had granted purchasers waiting on their order to be filled to either a) wait for an extended time for the issue to work itself out and then have their orders filled (which it would, by December 1999); b) offer to be refunded in whole, outright, with an apology; or c) be given an automatic rebate sent by Apple to people who agreed to accept the downclocked systems, then it wouldn’t have been much more than a distant memory and maybe a tiny footnote in the early G4’s teething pains.

But during a time before social media and widespread forums (but still a time when USENET was a thing, as were personal web sites and early online journalism), it still caused a lot of anger by consumers, especially those who’d already told Apple to shut up and take their money (hi). It was, after all, their most expensive flagship product, and so soon after narrowly escaping bankruptcy, it was the worst time for an arrogant P.R. stumble like that.
 
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Like, if they had granted purchasers waiting on their order to be filled to either a) wait for an extended time for the issue to work itself out and then have their orders filled (which it would, by December 1999); b) offer to be refunded in whole, outright, with an apology; or c) be given an automatic rebate sent by Apple to people who agreed to accept the downclocked systems, then it wouldn’t have been much more than a distant memory and maybe a tiny footnote in the early G4’s teething pains.

But during a time before social media and widespread forums (but still a time when USENET was a thing, as were personal web sites and early online journalism), it still caused a lot of anger by consumers, especially those who’d already told Apple to shut up and take their money (hi). It was, after all, their most expensive flagship product, and so soon after narrowly escaping bankruptcy, it was the worst time for an arrogant P.R. stumble like that.
Yeah, you'd think after being so close to going under, they'd be a little more thoughtful with how they'd treat their customers. All it would take is a few annoyed customers too many to send them right back where they were.

That would've been an expensive mistake.
 
The Dual Core 2.3 Power Mac G5 is another I love, and amazingly, one I still don’t have. It hits the sweet spot of the multi-core series, with a logic board on par with the Quad Core, but without being overhyped, overpriced, and overheated. As with all G5s, it’s less backward/forward-compatible than the G4, but still has a lot of still-contemporary features like PCIe and SATA, out of box.

Make sure to have enough RAM for it if you get it. It is quite slow otherwise. With 8 GB+ it becomes usable – won’t match the Quad, but won’t cause much pain either.
 
Make sure to have enough RAM for it if you get it. It is quite slow otherwise. With 8 GB+ it becomes usable – won’t match the Quad, but won’t cause much pain either.

Indeed, and that’s sort of what I was getting at by preferring it over the Quad Core: it shares the same logic board, in that it can be maxed out at 16GB, if not higher (unlike the base model 2.0 variant which came equipped with half as many RAM slots). It doesn’t need the cumbersome liquid cooling, either.
 
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The Power Macintosh 9600 is one such model. It was able to take on six PCI cards and 1.5GB RAM at a time when that was nigh-unheard of in a Mac.
I remember drooling over the 9600/350 in the MacWarehouse Canada catalogs we'd get in the mail, and it makes me a little sad that we didn't see the Power Express/Power Mac 9700 see the light of day.

Another (please hear me out on this one!) are the final PowerBook G4s — especially the final 17-inch.
Are the aluminum PowerBooks disliked by the community? I keep hearing about the DLSD Hi-Res PowerBook G4 as if it's the holy grail of PPC Mac collectors (and rightfully so, from what I've read about it, though I thought I'd heard about some overheating/GPU issues present in these machines). I'd love to get my hands on one, but whenever I see one pop up on Kijiji folks are asking like, $300+ for it.

the iBook G3/900, for being the one place where the rock-stable G3 CPU moved at its quickest (even if GPU issues plagued the series).
Sorry, but personally I absolutely loathe the white iBook series, with the possible exception of the original 12" 500 Mhz versions, as those models seem to be one of the least affected by GPU failures. I daily drove a 14" 700 Mhz model (one of the worst ones of the bunch - just my luck!) for most of my time in my undergrad and my Masters, and the GPU failed twice, causing me huge headaches (the first time happened while I was taking notes in the middle of my Developmental Biology class). It's a shame because the 12" form factor remains one of my favorites among Apple's PPC laptops.

It also bugged me a bit how the 14" didn't have a higher screen resolution than the 12". But the 14" screen and GPU issues aside, taking it apart to get at the hard drive was an absolute nightmare.

They were infamous for very good reason: they were rushed, monster-of-Frankenstein dogs which had no business being sold as OEM. They didn’t even have the legacy ADB port of the Yosemite, despite being in almost every other way a Yosemite. :(
Ugh, I'm so sorry you had such a horrid experience. :(

The Yikes! models weren't perfect or ideal by any means, especially compared to the Sawtooths, but in my experience (in terms of longevity) they've aged quite well, compared to later G4s that had PSUs which would fail with alarming regularity (I'm actually quite surprised the PSU in my MDD lasted for as long as it did before I retired it).
 
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Other UMA Macs are also great for their reliability: the first gen Clamshells in particular, which actually have the better 512kb cache than the Paris Rev C iBooks (faster CPUs but only 256kb cache);

While the cache was reduced, it was moved on-die - I'd be curious to see if the performance bump from that made up for the smaller size. Apple was always stingy with cache in that era though, so even 512kb wasn't 'great'.


As for the question, my 366Mhz Indigo Clamshell is high on my list of favorite PPC Macs, as is the final model 1.42GHz iBook G4.
 
Indeed, and that’s sort of what I was getting at by preferring it over the Quad Core: it shares the same logic board, in that it can be maxed out at 16GB, if not higher (unlike the base model 2.0 variant which came equipped with half as many RAM slots). It doesn’t need the cumbersome liquid cooling, either.
The base model variant a1117 dual core 2.0 ghz has the same amount of ram slots as a 2.3ghz aircooled or 2.5ghz quad liquid cooled, maxing at 16gb. The a1047 dual cpu 2ghz pci has the neutered ram slots and maxes at 4gb only.
 
It really is night and day difference between the two when DDing them. With a fat stack of matched ram, the a1117 11,2 just crushes the a1047. Part of me absolutely wants a quad but the prices folks are asking are dumb and while a quad would be cool to bench against say my quad cMP 1,1, I am not too into the idea of spending the time and money on refurbing the LCS.
 
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