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PowerBook and iBook Confirmation?
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Reuven said:
Well that won't happen. it will only run faster with 64 bit os. Think of a 64 bit chip that is running "non native" when its running 32 bit programs.
My laptops
I have both a Dell Precision Laptop, as well as a 17" PowerBook and several other ibooks...My Dell is almost impossible to use outdoors as the screen gets washed out from the sun....my Powerbook has a terrific screen that I can use even in bright light, and the lit keyboard is fantastic at night.
My only complaint is that I love one feature that my Dell has that my Powerbook does not...and that is a dock. I take my Dell home as well as it is my main Windows machine at work, as well as I have a G4 Tower at my desk that I use a KVM with.....if only Apple would MAKE A DAMN DOCKABLE LAPTOP then I would be even happier with my PowerBook...and no...the Bookendz is not the answer....they have their place...but not as a REAL dock. I have several co-workers that would use a PowerBook as a desktop machine if a dock was available....and I mean a real docking station...like the old DuoDock.
Other than that, I have been VERY happy with my Apple laptops (of all flavors) and only wish more enterprise vendors would start making OSX version of their software...I use MS RDC client a lot when I have to, and VPC (only when I HAVE to) but sometime you need a real Windows machine for a given application....It is nice to see some Companies starting to port their wares over...
remingtonhill said:
I have both a Dell Precision Laptop, as well as a 17" PowerBook and several other ibooks...My Dell is almost impossible to use outdoors as the screen gets washed out from the sun....my Powerbook has a terrific screen that I can use even in bright light, and the lit keyboard is fantastic at night.
My only complaint is that I love one feature that my Dell has that my Powerbook does not...and that is a dock. I take my Dell home as well as it is my main Windows machine at work, as well as I have a G4 Tower at my desk that I use a KVM with.....if only Apple would MAKE A DAMN DOCKABLE LAPTOP then I would be even happier with my PowerBook...and no...the Bookendz is not the answer....they have their place...but not as a REAL dock. I have several co-workers that would use a PowerBook as a desktop machine if a dock was available....and I mean a real docking station...like the old DuoDock.
Other than that, I have been VERY happy with my Apple laptops (of all flavors) and only wish more enterprise vendors would start making OSX version of their software...I use MS RDC client a lot when I have to, and VPC (only when I HAVE to) but sometime you need a real Windows machine for a given application....It is nice to see some Companies starting to port their wares over...
How much?
I was thinking of selling my 17" Rev A powerbook and switching to the 12", since I have a permanent residence now... and would rather have the large screen at my house. I wish I posted it on eBay before these new ones came out ... kinda of late now. How much do you think the Rev As are going to be worth after Rev Cs comes out
I was thinking of selling my 17" Rev A powerbook and switching to the 12", since I have a permanent residence now... and would rather have the large screen at my house. I wish I posted it on eBay before these new ones came out ... kinda of late now. How much do you think the Rev As are going to be worth after Rev Cs comes out
Spazmodius said:
Don't forget that the 750vx consumed something like 9-11 watts at 2ghz, which would mean you could fit two of them into the same power profile as a single G4 running at a much lower clock. I can't really comment on the heat for an ASIC, since we've never seen a running model, but it seems likely that a 400mhz bus for a lower power chip would also be cooler and lower wattage than one for, say, a G5.
In other words, my dream PowerBook looks something like this (and will never happen):
17" QXGA LCD (up to 2048x1536)
Dual 750vx 1.8-2.2ghz @ 400mhz FSB
512k L2 cache, 1MB L3 cache
Radeon 9700 Mobile 128MB
1GB PC 3200 RAM
80 GB 5400RPM drive
8x Superdrive
Dual-Channel Airport Extreme (send on one frequency, receive on another)
Bluetooth built-in
96w/h battery in two removable units (58w/h each)
Some benefits to this system:
The RAM in the system and graphics card are running at the same frequency, which is fully taken advantage of by the system bus. The drive is pretty speedy for a laptop, and the airport is something I seem to recall being done in a PC system with two wireless cards. It's effectively the same thing as the dual-channel handling of RAM in the G5, running up and down on separate pipes. Also, it's twice the battery of the existing laptop, and I have a hard time believing they couldn't squeeze two into the case for a 17" PowerBook.
I was at the genius bar in Apple Store Soho due to a problem with an AE card I bought - which turned out not to be a problem, of course. Is this their announcement of the new G4 updates?
Anybody who has seen the Soho store recently might recognise the covered up advertising boards below. Dunno what it is, just thought it might be SOMETHING. The picture doesn't give much info as to scene or position because of size constraints - it's right above the genius bars, all the way along.
andy
Anybody who has seen the Soho store recently might recognise the covered up advertising boards below. Dunno what it is, just thought it might be SOMETHING. The picture doesn't give much info as to scene or position because of size constraints - it's right above the genius bars, all the way along.
andy
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ketha said:
Don't forget about Sony's x-brite technology too. If you have different LCD screens on display, your eye will be drawn to the x-brite first. I don't see any reason why Apple can't just use Sony screens in their laptops.
I'm ready to buy the "new model" of the 12" ibook or the "revised" 12" powerbook if they can compete with the Sony TR3 sub-notebooks. The only way this could happen is if they ran on a 750vx. It probably won't happen and I'll end up buying a peecee.
MacOSXRumors has some info...
They state that the iBooks will be from 1.0 to 1.25 or 1.33, and the powerbooks from 1.25 or 1.33 to 1.5. All of the powerbooks will have 512 ram standard.
They also state that the likely GPU for the higher end models is the Nvidia 5700 mobility.
Sounds good to me....
They state that the iBooks will be from 1.0 to 1.25 or 1.33, and the powerbooks from 1.25 or 1.33 to 1.5. All of the powerbooks will have 512 ram standard.
They also state that the likely GPU for the higher end models is the Nvidia 5700 mobility.
Sounds good to me....
Plasmas Above Genious Bar
I thought there were Plasma Televisions above the Genious Bars.....Well there are in my Apple Store!
_pb_boi said:
I thought there were Plasma Televisions above the Genious Bars.....Well there are in my Apple Store!
areyouwishing said:I have a RevB 12" 1ghz. I love it but I would change a few things...
1. Bus Speed
2. Hard Drive Speed
I am even starting to think that OS X (Panther) is really bloated graphically, I have a 1ghz (133 bus) Pentium 3 Desktop at home and it runs circles around my Laptop in UI speed. I understand that there are performance handicaps when you are running a laptop, but I even get lag some times when Im typing in a form in a browser (safari, IE). This shouldn't happen AT ALL on a laptop, Its not caused by the processor speed, and It's not caused by the bus speed, its not RAM (i have more RAM in my laptop, and its DDR, not that it matters) the only difference between the 2 computers spec wise is that I am running a better video card on the desktop and a faster hard drive. I guess you pay the price to have Quartz Extreme
I don't know, some times i just get frustrated with what apple does with their business, be it software or hardware.
My fiancee has a 2GHz P4 Dell running WinXP HE. When comparing the UI speed of this machine with my 12"G4 running Panther, I've found that they are easily on a par with each other, and frequently my Mac is often faster. I'd like to know what OS your 1GHz Pentium3 is running, as that does make a difference.
Ja Di ksw said:
When you change the optical drive, or the hard drive, or whatever, the cost that you're paying is not just the cost of the extra hardware. Apple has to pay someone to customize your machine for you. Of course, it's not shown on your invoice as a 'customization cost'. This cost is imbedded in what Apple charges you for the hardware that you change.
Compufix said:
Hey, if you want, I can design and build a docking station for you. It would be built around a BookEndz dock, but have more of a docking station form factor.
(Honestly, the distinction between a real docking station and the BookEndz is mostly just semantic.)
marmotte said:
Ok, accepting the french prices and your calcs, what does this mean for Aussies...? (Note, I am going on Apple's CURRENT markup approximations, which I expect to fall even though the dollar is sliding as its higher than waht it was and the emacs came in pretty cheaply)
M9426LL/A iBook 12, 1 Ghz $1,099 USD -> $1899 AUD so same
M9418LL/A iBook 14, Combo, 1.25 Ghz $1,250 USD -> ~$2250/99 AUD so a little cheaper
M9419LL/A iBook 14, Superdrive, 1.33Ghz Unknown
M9183LL/A Powerbook 12 Combo 1.33 Ghz Unknown
M9184LL/A Powerbook 12 Superdrive 1.33 Ghz Unknown
M9421LL/A Powerbook 15 Combo 1.42 Ghz $1,799 USD -> $3399 AUD Save $300 (three hundred) @ ~33% current markup
M9422LL/A Powerbook 15 Superdrive 1.42 Ghz $2,399 USD -> $4399 AUD Save $400 (four hundred) @ ~32% current markup
M9462LL/A Powerbook 17, 1.5 Ghz $2,499 USD -> $4599 AUD Save $900 (nine hundred) @ ~32% current markup
That sharp drop in the 17 is very good news and will definitely move models here I would think... $300 for 1.8" more plus hopefully a few other bits is not bad.
EDIT
If the 15 super and 17 came in at a 20% markup (a little higher than the emacs weighing 20kgs came in at) then we can expect prices like
15" super $3999 a drop of $800 not $400
17" $4199 a drop of $1300 not $900
I actually think this is pretty reasonable given that we aren't geting much more from what we got 7 months (sept 03) even 16 months (jan 03) ago...
Let's see if Apple Australia see it that way should the US figures here be right.
Well, having never seen the store before the paper covered whatever is up there, I can't say for certain. I know that there are 23in screens - or are they 20in? I can't remember - on either side of the bars showing wait times and quick tips. I can't see them being plasma screens, though - why would they cover them in paper :-D
andy
Thanks for all the help, guys. You've been very helpful with your advice.
After reading all the posts in this thread (and some others), I've decided that for what I'm doing, I don't NEED a G5. So if Apple releases new G4 PowerBooks, I'll buy one of those -- whatever the specs -- and load it up with RAM. If, by some freaky miracle, they release a G5 PowerBook instead of a G4, I'm waiting until RevB so they can work the bugs out before I jump in.
Which means I actually hope they release beefed up G4 PowerBooks instead of G5, which isn't a popular thing to be praying for around here....
And thanks again to everyone for checking out that site for my dad and for giving me advice on various other aspects of buying a Mac "the right way". It's a big step for me, I had to look up "1 or 2 bounces", that's how much of a newbie I am....
After reading all the posts in this thread (and some others), I've decided that for what I'm doing, I don't NEED a G5. So if Apple releases new G4 PowerBooks, I'll buy one of those -- whatever the specs -- and load it up with RAM. If, by some freaky miracle, they release a G5 PowerBook instead of a G4, I'm waiting until RevB so they can work the bugs out before I jump in.
Which means I actually hope they release beefed up G4 PowerBooks instead of G5, which isn't a popular thing to be praying for around here....
And thanks again to everyone for checking out that site for my dad and for giving me advice on various other aspects of buying a Mac "the right way". It's a big step for me, I had to look up "1 or 2 bounces", that's how much of a newbie I am....
if these prices that are floating around about the new mobiles are correct along with the speeds....why would apple charge an extra 600$ for a 15" super drive, you just add it as an option on the combo for 200$, if the combo is going to be 1.42 GHZ than the SD is going to have to be 1.5GHZ, otherwise apple is just not going to sell any of the SD models
Wow, methinks the interest in this update is way high. Haven't detected this much anticipation for an update in awhile.
I am really interested to see what features Apple will include in order to sell the last G4 Powerbooks. But, I am interested only a soap-opera kind of way.
While I love the Alu-book looks, I will never buy one. I prefer to put my big $ in a desktop. For travel, keynote etc ... I prefer a basic 12in ibook.
I am really interested to see what features Apple will include in order to sell the last G4 Powerbooks. But, I am interested only a soap-opera kind of way.
While I love the Alu-book looks, I will never buy one. I prefer to put my big $ in a desktop. For travel, keynote etc ... I prefer a basic 12in ibook.
invaLPsion said:
http://www.macosxrumors.com/
"As for the graphic chip, sources had mentioned the GeForce FX 5700 as a good candidate for the high end models. "
So games geeks, is this 128meg card going to improve the g4pbs game performance significantly? In otherwords, is it going to be worth the extra money if it doesn't come standard?
Why Not G5s? You've all given up since January.
I've got to agree with remingtonhill here. I know everyone is so beaten down on the G5 powerbook question to dare to hope. However, the desktop G5 was announced almost a year ago. Since that time, IBM has gone to mass production of a much cooler / energy efficient 90nm chip - as far back as November as I can tell (this is when the news stories started noting shipments of the newer G5). The xServe is actually shipping based on that chip now. Apple has been working with the G5 system components for the desktops and servers for well over a year and has items shipping. I would expect they've been working on the notebook components for that long as well - could it be that they're doing more than waiting for an appropriate chip at this point? Isn't the chip here (hasn't it been here for awhile in large quantities - minus the reduction for the Fishkills production problems?).
Now - recall all of the rumors around January - "it's been half-a-year, the G5 powerbooks will be announced" etc. Now, I know no one likes to appear too green, but I hate it when we all lower the bar for Apple BY NOT EXPECTING what should be here.
remingtonhill said:
I've got to agree with remingtonhill here. I know everyone is so beaten down on the G5 powerbook question to dare to hope. However, the desktop G5 was announced almost a year ago. Since that time, IBM has gone to mass production of a much cooler / energy efficient 90nm chip - as far back as November as I can tell (this is when the news stories started noting shipments of the newer G5). The xServe is actually shipping based on that chip now. Apple has been working with the G5 system components for the desktops and servers for well over a year and has items shipping. I would expect they've been working on the notebook components for that long as well - could it be that they're doing more than waiting for an appropriate chip at this point? Isn't the chip here (hasn't it been here for awhile in large quantities - minus the reduction for the Fishkills production problems?).
Now - recall all of the rumors around January - "it's been half-a-year, the G5 powerbooks will be announced" etc. Now, I know no one likes to appear too green, but I hate it when we all lower the bar for Apple BY NOT EXPECTING what should be here.
El Duderino said:
Super is not an upgrade path for the combo is it?
What about a 128 meg gpu as standard on the sd model?
What about faster hd as standard?
_pb_boi said:
I was just in the SoHo store last week myself and was curious what exactly was going on - it looked like they were preparing for something, or at least putting up some new banners. Guess we'll see!
Incidentally, I also walked out of the store with a nice new 20 GB iPod + a car adaptor - damn, that's a dangerous store...
i was just doing a mock build on the combo and adding the SD is a $200 upgrade, as for your other points, i dont think a GPU and a faster HD is worth 600$, but thats just measwitcher said:
as far as the whole G5 PB thing goes, i can accept that there is a slim chance that it's going to happen. but i seem to recal the fact that apple has called in for that meeting for all of its employes to discuss the new upgrades. i know apple is definatly differant from Best Buy, but i know that i dont have to come in for a meeting everytime i get a new camcorder. I simply just dont seem to find the need for meeting where apple has to pay all their employes to be there when there is just a speed bump or a new GPU...it could happen
_pb_boi said:
I remember reading a rumor about new high end Displays awhile back that mentioned them being installed in Apple stores above the Genius Bar. Anyone else remember that? Maybe this has something to do with it.
El Duderino said:
Just speculation on my part, trying to figure it out.
I think your right, it seems excessive, and so I figure there must be some things behind it like additional hardware.