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actionslacks said:
I remember reading a rumor about new high end Displays awhile back that mentioned them being installed in Apple stores above the Genius Bar. Anyone else remember that? Maybe this has something to do with it.

Actually, that does ring a bell. Hmm, and now that has me thinking about when we'll see the new Aluminum displays! ;) All this talk about PowerMac speed boosts, the 3 GHz G5, and now PowerBook and iBook updates has made me forget about the display updates as well.

Man, I feel sorry for Apple in some ways - so much to update, so much demand for G5s in everything, lots of work being put into the iPods, endless legal hurdles to overcome with international iTMS, new OS development - Apple has a lot on their plate right now!
 
actionslacks said:
I remember reading a rumor about new high end Displays awhile back that mentioned them being installed in Apple stores above the Genius Bar. Anyone else remember that? Maybe this has something to do with it.



Oh My God...its the 30" Screens! :eek: ;) :D

 
Well, whatever comes out - someone is going to complain.

1. 30" LCD screen ....apple makes useless screens that cost waaay to much.
2. G5 Powerbook ....I'm SURE they are going to be buggy - I'll wait
3. G4 Powerbook ....I've been waiting for a G5 PB for SO LONG!!

I'll respond to my hypothetical complainers:

1. You don't HAVE to buy a screen that big, or from Apple
2. That is ridiculous. If so, you have one year of Apple Care.
3. No way, you've been crying about them being buggy - what you want is RevB G5 Powerbooks to be announced.

Arguing with yourself is kinda fun.... :p
 
~Shard~ said:
Actually, that does ring a bell. Hmm, and now that has me thinking about when we'll see the new Aluminum displays! ;) All this talk about PowerMac speed boosts, the 3 GHz G5, and now PowerBook and iBook updates has made me forget about the display updates as well.

Man, I feel sorry for Apple in some ways - so much to update, so much demand for G5s in everything, lots of work being put into the iPods, endless legal hurdles to overcome with international iTMS, new OS development - Apple has a lot on their plate right now!

I wouldn't expect new displays soon, isn't that deal @ the Apple Store running for a while still, where you buy and G5 and a 23" Cinema & get $500 off?
 
LaMerVipere said:
I wouldn't expect new displays soon, isn't that deal @ the Apple Store running for a while still, where you buy and G5 and a 23" Cinema & get $500 off?


But its by model number so if they bring out new screens these don't fall into any current sales offers.

I my view Apple conceivably has been nice to everyone by starting their discount on the 23" early to get models moving.

If they pull a new 23, 25 or indeed 30 incher out now for the NAB it would make sense given their market. Hopefully it will have better resolutions, and indeed if they are and do, then I hope to see improvements in the pbook range to follow...more wishful thinking :rolleyes:
 
Chillout said:
Thanks for all the help, guys. You've been very helpful with your advice.

After reading all the posts in this thread (and some others), I've decided that for what I'm doing, I don't NEED a G5. So if Apple releases new G4 PowerBooks, I'll buy one of those -- whatever the specs -- and load it up with RAM. If, by some freaky miracle, they release a G5 PowerBook instead of a G4, I'm waiting until RevB so they can work the bugs out before I jump in.

Which means I actually hope they release beefed up G4 PowerBooks instead of G5, which isn't a popular thing to be praying for around here....

And thanks again to everyone for checking out that site for my dad and for giving me advice on various other aspects of buying a Mac "the right way". It's a big step for me, I had to look up "1 or 2 bounces", that's how much of a newbie I am....

You are making a wise choice. The only complaints I can wage on my current 15inch 1.25Ghz powerbook are the whitespot problems on the screen and the broken latch that I had to have replaced. These kinds of issues will probably not exist with your new powerbook since it is a revision B product.

The way Apple has been manufacturing new products lately, there is no way in hell I would buy a rev. A G5 laptop. They have had so many problems with the G5 desktops that I am sure there will be problems with the powerbooks.

Enjoy.
 
displays - sales hype or real information

LaMerVipere said:
I wouldn't expect new displays soon, isn't that deal @ the Apple Store running for a while still, where you buy and G5 and a 23" Cinema & get $500 off?

I still have my pb 15 sitting in a box waiting to possibly return at the beginning of next week. The interesting twist to this was that when I asked the apple phone salesperson about powerbook updates - that person said no to expect the G5 for awhile, "we're focusing on new displays". Now - I can't let my last post about expecting g5s go, but I pass along that possible empty sales-talk for what its worth.

lg
 
law guy said:
The interesting twist to this was that when I asked the apple phone salesperson about powerbook updates - that person said no to expect the G5 for awhile, "we're focusing on new displays".

lg

Seems like a pretty fine catch to me. Ok, so new form factor displays for the G5s for NAB. Seems to be coming together. I wonder though why no rumor sites have anything recent on this???
 
carletonmusic said:
Well, whatever comes out - someone is going to complain.

1. 30" LCD screen ....apple makes useless screens that cost waaay to much.
2. G5 Powerbook ....I'm SURE they are going to be buggy - I'll wait
3. G4 Powerbook ....I've been waiting for a G5 PB for SO LONG!!

I'll respond to my hypothetical complainers:

1. You don't HAVE to buy a screen that big, or from Apple
2. That is ridiculous. If so, you have one year of Apple Care.
3. No way, you've been crying about them being buggy - what you want is RevB G5 Powerbooks to be announced.

Arguing with yourself is kinda fun.... :p
Amen, brother!

For all you who are afraid of early adoption, I'm sitting here typing on my Rev A TiBook. In the other room is my fully functioning Rev A iBook. Upstairs is my fully functioning Rev A iMac. The beauty of being an early adopter is that your computer is cool for WAY longer than if you wait for the Rev Bs. People still come up to me in coffee shops and compliment my on my Ti 400: "is that a new computer?" "is it an Apple?" "I wish my computer was that cool!"

The day the G5 PowerBook is announced is the day I place my order.
 
Question

I'm thinking of selling my 17" Rev A because I've wanted a 12" instead. So, I should probably do it very soon, so I can pick up the new one and sell mine at a reasonable price.

Is it possible to include Panther software(bought separately) with it. How would I go about reformatting the hard-drive and reinstalling Panther without including my personal information?

I know it's kind of off topic... if someone has a link to a site that would help me then I would also appreciate that. Thanks.
 
aswitcher said:
Seems like a pretty fine catch to me. Ok, so new form factor displays for the G5s for NAB. Seems to be coming together. I wonder though why no rumor sites have anything recent on this???

Because it's not going to happen. :p

At least not at NAB, that is.
 
Hattig said:
(I took 19.6% tax off of French price, then used xe.com to convert, then rounded down to the nearest $50 to account for Apple International Tax)

The current prices are $1999, $2599 and $2999 - I don't see Apple wanting to lose that $1999 pricepoint either for the 15" which gives you an idea about how bad Apple International Tax is. Note that the current PBs have a 25% processor speed difference between the 15" CD and the 15" SD which is apparently gone with the new revisions too.

I don't think you guys can assume anything about the conversion rate. In general you can't just go and convert the currency and figure the pricing/tax structure.

But if you assume that croquer has accurate info, and look at the European price structure, you can probably glean some info about price drops (all in euros):

PB 15 Combo 1.42 Ghz ...2151 vs Current 2390
PB 15 Superdrive 1.42 Ghz ...2749 vs Current 2988
PB 17 ...2989 vs Current 3586

I took Apple.fr for the current euro pricing. If that info is accurate, it could be taken to mean that Apple is looking at dropping prices by about $150. However, they could also be looking at the fact that the euro is now 20% higher than the dollar and dropping European pricing to reflect that. I'd be more inclined to go with a price drop everywhere.
 
carletonmusic said:
Well, whatever comes out - someone is going to complain.

:D Spot on, you've been here too long.

hellocody said:
Is it possible to include Panther software(bought separately) with it. How would I go about reformatting the hard-drive and reinstalling Panther without including my personal information?

1. Back-up all your files
2. Insert Panther CD 1.
3. Choose "Disk Utility" from the "Installer" menu
4. Click on your hard-drive on the left, and choose the "Erase" tab
- If you're paranoid check "zero disk" from "Options", this will take a very long time.
5. Install Panther.
- You won't have any of the programs included with your machine if you install this way however these can be added later from the PowerBook Restore DVD.

As a side note, you're going to notice quite a performance drop going from the 17" > 12", especially in games. Are you positive you want to do this, and if so would you be better suited with a 15"?

AppleMatt
 
17" Rev A vs. potential 12" Rev C

AppleMatt said:
As a side note, you're going to notice quite a performance drop going from the 17" > 12", especially in games. Are you positive you want to do this, and if so would you be better suited with a 15"?

AppleMatt

Thanks AppleMatt.
I don't really play any games on my powerbook, although I have been tempted to pickup Age of Mythology. I do play with photoshop and do some video editing for fun.
Do you think there will be that much of a difference between the 17" 1ghz Rev A and a new 12" which will be over 1ghz. I plan to get it fully loaded and a 17" display for home use. Does the resolution stay sharp on a larger display using the mini-dvi out?
 
hellocody said:
Thanks AppleMatt.
I don't really play any games on my powerbook, although I have been tempted to pickup Age of Mythology. I do play with photoshop and do some video editing for fun.
Do you think there will be that much of a difference between the 17" 1ghz Rev A and a new 12" which will be over 1ghz. I plan to get it fully loaded and a 17" display for home use. Does the resolution stay sharp on a larger display using the mini-dvi out?

the next 12" PBs will be considerably faster than the rev. A 17" powerbooks. The current 12" is almost as fast as the original 17". Yes, the resolution will be normal on an external display using mini-DVI out.
 
QCassidy352 said:
the next 12" PBs will be considerably faster than the rev. A 17" powerbooks. The current 12" is almost as fast as the original 17". Yes, the resolution will be normal on an external display using mini-DVI out.

My Powerbook 12's mini-DVI out is not as clear as my friend's Powerbook 15"'s DVI out----at least through the DVI to ADC convertor. There is a slight visible difference. So I dunno if the 12" is "true" DVI out or not.
 
wordmunger said:
Amen, brother!

For all you who are afraid of early adoption, I'm sitting here typing on my Rev A TiBook. In the other room is my fully functioning Rev A iBook. Upstairs is my fully functioning Rev A iMac. The beauty of being an early adopter is that your computer is cool for WAY longer than if you wait for the Rev Bs. People still come up to me in coffee shops and compliment my on my Ti 400: "is that a new computer?" "is it an Apple?" "I wish my computer was that cool!"

The day the G5 PowerBook is announced is the day I place my order.

You know what? We need more people like you to "eat the early bugs" so we get good Rev B. computeres. Thanks dude.
 
form said:
I would suggest to mklos - Entirely on the assumption that his current model is a Desktop system - that he should either get a new pc or update his current one, rather than going mac. Win2k and XP are considered more reliable than 98, for instance, so an OS upgrade is a thought. Second, since he has the freedom, in a pc, to change out critical internal parts, he could buy a new motherboard, processor, ram, and low end graphics card, which would serve him well for a long period of time, for a few hundred dollars. Mac laptops are probably the least impressive of all the macs, to me (next to the modern iMac).

If you're using a pc laptop, then I have no suggestions, but don't assume that loaded words like "efficient os" mean that a mac laptop will run or feel faster than an equivalent pc. Most mac users are quite accustomed to a certain speed range which is sub-par, so you just can't go by them.

First of all if you actually read his post then you would know that he wants a PowerBook which is a laptop. So your bitching and complaining about Macs not being able to interchange parts is irrelevant. Second of all you sound like one of the PC idiots that doesn't know **** about Apple and only thinks they know everything about PCs. Don't be that person in a Mac community because you will loose badly! If you want to bad mouth Apple then this isn't the place to do so. Third he was asking someone who actually know about Apple products, not some PC idiot who doesn't know anything about Apple except thinking that all Macs cost $5,000 or that this isn't any software for them. Forth nobody in their right mind needs a 3.2 GHz Pentium IV processor for minor graphics, browsing the web, and e-mail. Its just plain stupid to think you need such speed because you won't even use half of it. You won't notice hardly any fast application launch times, it doesn't make the internet faster, and it doesn't improve much of anything for what he wants to do.

When you buy a Mac you don't feel the need to update your computer every 2 or 3 years because of OS X being an efficient OS. Apple has done an excellent job of making OS X run on almost all of its modern machines. Like I said in my other post my mom runs OS X.3 on a 233 MHz iMac and it runs just as good as OS 9.2.2 did. I'd like to see you run Windows XP on a 233 MHz PC and have it run as good as a 233 MHz Macintosh.

On most Macs you can change out things, but just like with PC, yes it does void the warranty. In my flat panel iMac yes I can change out the hard drive, and yes I can change out the optical drive. You have to understand that the people who are going to buy an iMac are regular consumers that just want the ease of use, and don't care about the ability to change out the processor, or change the video card. Consumer end Macs aren't expandable because they pretty much already come with what every basic consumer needs. It comes with FireWire, USB 2.0, AirPort Extreme Wireless, Bluetooth, a CD/DVD Burner, good sized HD, and a pretty good graphics card for a consumer end machine. Especially considering that its PC competitors use shared video ram. Macs may be more expensive but as I've always said you get what you pay for. You can spend $499 and get a $hitty Dell with a slow hard drive that doesn't hold much, very little good software, shared memory, regular CD ROM drive, etc.. On the 17" iMac which costs $1799 you get a totally digital 17" widescreen display, with an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra going down a 4x AGP bus, a CD/DVD burner, nice 80 GB HD than spins at 7200 RPM, very good software with iLife '04, Quicken for you checkbook, Worldbook encyclopedia, Tony Hawks Pro Skater 4, plus LOTS MORE! The display its self is worth around $800.

Mac OS X is a very efficient OS compared to Windows XP. Microsoft makes bloatware. It always tries to do things for you to makes things easier when in fact all it does is make things 10x harder. The one thing that Apple can do that Microsoft cannot is design its OS around all of its hardware. There little things that take advantage of the PowerMac G5, and other things that take advantage of the iMac, etc.

Its very hard to compare the processors like I said before because they are totally different processors. The G3, G4, and G5 processors are RISC processors that put out PPC instructions. The Intel/AMD chip is a CISC processor that puts out x86 instructions. Each processor has its strong points and it weak points.

So you either need to find someplace else to whine, or quit whining!
 
NAB and moving stuff

Now the NAB notes of "moving pictures" "moving sound" etc., makes even more sense if you can MOVE them with the help of a PowerBook :) . With the supposed press event happening tomorrow, here we go...
 
QCassidy352 said:
the next 12" PBs will be considerably faster than the rev. A 17" powerbooks. The current 12" is almost as fast as the original 17". Yes, the resolution will be normal on an external display using mini-DVI out.

Processor wise yes they will be, however the 17" benefits from a much better graphics chip (Radeon to GeForece) with double the graphics RAM (64MB as opposed to 32MB) and faster system RAM (DDR 2700 compared to 2100). On-top of that you can have a faster HDD BTO (5400rpm instead of 4200). I doubt they'll be considerably faster, especially when it comes to graphics demanding applications. I expect they'll break even.
(Just thinking about that a bit more, of course the 17" has to drive a much bigger resolution in games. If hellocody uses an external 17" flat-panel at native resolution he'll see lower performance, if he uses the 12" screen it'll feel better)

hellocody said:
Thanks AppleMatt.
I don't really play any games on my powerbook, although I have been tempted to pickup Age of Mythology. I do play with photoshop and do some video editing for fun.
Do you think there will be that much of a difference between the 17" 1ghz Rev A and a new 12" which will be over 1ghz. I plan to get it fully loaded and a 17" display for home use. Does the resolution stay sharp on a larger display using the mini-dvi out?

If you're not into games, you probably won't notice a difference. Day to day tasks can be accomplished on the most basic of computers now, you shouldn't run into difficulties. I don't play Age of Mythology so you'll have to have a look in the gaming thread and see what people think of performance. I fully expect the new 12" PowerBooks will be able to handle it well though.

As QCassidy said, the sharpness should be fine on an external display because the in-built graphics card can easily handle bigger resolutions. However if the above report about it being slightly degraded is true, you might want to try before you buy.

A couple of other things I thought you should watch out for. The 12" PowerBook has a TFT XGA compared to a TFT screen and therefore isn't as sharp (however no complaints from me) and the AirPort card and SuperDrive aren't standard, you have to pay extra for them. Also the keyboard isn't back-lit and finally the ethernet is 10/100 as compared to 10/100/1000 however this isn't really a problem.
On the plus side, you can take this machine anywhere. I mean anywhere! It's exceptionally compact. Also people adore it because it's so small.

AppleMatt

btw love the sig QCassidy
 
I know this is very speculative at this point, but I am just curious what you think: we are thinking to add a PB 17' to our PB Ti 1 GHz 1Gb 15'. With the current rumored specs for the 17', do you reckon there will be a noticable speed difference between the two?
Phil :rolleyes:
 
pstock said:
With the current rumored specs for the 17', do you reckon there will be a noticable speed difference between the two?
Phil :rolleyes:

I'm not aware of any rumored 17-footer, but I'm sure its specs would be very impressive. :D
 
There will be updates on Monday is for SURE. One of my friends who works at Apple Direct sales was asked to work overtime next weel starts from Monday. Everyone in sales department has to work at least 2 hours overtime to handle potential overwhelming incoming calls. Stay tuned for Monday!
 
pstock said:
we are thinking to add a PB 17' :rolleyes:

DANG! What's the resolution on that thing, 160,000,000 X 960? Someone go down to the far end and tell me what I'm over the Apple menu or not, I can't see that far from the kyboard in the middle. I hope they at least put bigger speakers in it.
 
mklos said:
First of all if you actually read his post then you would know that he wants a PowerBook which is a laptop. So your bitching and complaining about Macs not being able to interchange parts is irrelevant. Second of all you sound like one of the PC idiots that doesn't know **** about Apple and only thinks they know everything about PCs. Don't be that person in a Mac community because you will loose badly! If you want to bad mouth Apple then this isn't the place to do so. Third he was asking someone who actually know about Apple products, not some PC idiot who doesn't know anything about Apple except thinking that all Macs cost $5,000 or that this isn't any software for them. Forth nobody in their right mind needs a 3.2 GHz Pentium IV processor for minor graphics, browsing the web, and e-mail. Its just plain stupid to think you need such speed because you won't even use half of it. You won't notice hardly any fast application launch times, it doesn't make the internet faster, and it doesn't improve much of anything for what he wants to do.

When you buy a Mac you don't feel the need to update your computer every 2 or 3 years because of OS X being an efficient OS. Apple has done an excellent job of making OS X run on almost all of its modern machines. Like I said in my other post my mom runs OS X.3 on a 233 MHz iMac and it runs just as good as OS 9.2.2 did. I'd like to see you run Windows XP on a 233 MHz PC and have it run as good as a 233 MHz Macintosh.

On most Macs you can change out things, but just like with PC, yes it doesn't void the warranty. In my flat panel iMac yes I can change out the hard drive, and yes I can change out the optical drive. You have to understand that the people who are going to buy an iMac are regular consumers that just want the ease of use, and don't care about the ability to change out the processor, or change the video card. Consumer end Macs aren't expandable because they pretty much already come with what every basic consumer needs. It comes with FireWire, USB 2.0, AirPort Extreme Wireless, Bluetooth, a CD/DVD Burner, good sized HD, and a pretty good graphics card for a consumer end machine. Especially considering that its PC competitors use shared video ram. Macs may be more expensive but as I've always said you get what you pay for. You can spend $499 and get a $hitty Dell with a slow hard drive that doesn't hold much, very little good software, shared memory, regular CD ROM drive, etc.. On the 17" iMac which costs $1799 you get a totally digital 17" widescreen display, with an NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra going down a 4x AGP bus, a CD/DVD burner, nice 80 GB HD than spins at 7200 RPM, very good software with iLife '04, Quicken for you checkbook, Worldbook encyclopedia, Tony Hawks Pro Skater 4, plus LOTS MORE! The display its self is worth around $800.

Mac OS X is a very efficient OS compared to Windows XP. Microsoft makes bloatware. It always tries to do things for you to makes things easier when in fact all it does is make things 10x harder. The one thing that Apple can do that Microsoft cannot is design its OS around all of its hardware. There little things that take advantage of the PowerMac G5, and other things that take advantage of the iMac, etc.

Its very hard to compare the processors like I said before because they are totally different processors. The G3, G4, and G5 processors are RISC processors that put out PPC instructions. The Intel/AMD chip is a CISC processor that puts out x86 instructions. Each processor has its strong points and it weak points.

So you either need to find someplace else to whine, or quit whining!

I agree with most of the things you said, but there are some things you just can't defend when it comes to the flat panel iMac. It's just too damn expensive! For that same $1799 price tag, I could put together a pc powerhouse WITH a quality flat panel lcd screen (that will not become uselss when my computer becomes outdated).

In addition, I am so f$%^%$@ tired of Apple ignoring graphics in its consumer line (or in all of its computers, for that matter). The geforce4 MX with 32mb and the geforce FX 5200 with 64mb of memory are the crapiest graphics cards in both the mac and pc market right now. If I wanted to pick one of those up for my peecee right now, it would cost me less than $30. For a computer that costs over $1000, you should get a quality graphics card with at least 64mb of memory.

In terms of laptop graphics performance, Apple is also currently getting its @$$ kicked (although the 17" was one of the first notebooks with a Radeon 9600).
 
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