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PowerBooks on Feb 2nd?
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it might very well be a coincideice. apple is definetely getting something from the factory ready to be delivered on that date; however, there is absolutely no way to know before it happens if the 'books are the same old version as before, or a new upgraded version.
i'd also like a G5 powerbook, but i'm not holding my breath.
i'd also like a G5 powerbook, but i'm not holding my breath.
more L3 not GHz
I just wish Apple would put in more L2 and L3 cache into these Powerbooks. I was quite disapointed by the performance of my new Powerbook G4 @ 1GHz. It actually feels slower than a desktop machine running a much slower processor but with much more L2/L3 cache. I ended up selling it.
I just wish Apple would put in more L2 and L3 cache into these Powerbooks. I was quite disapointed by the performance of my new Powerbook G4 @ 1GHz. It actually feels slower than a desktop machine running a much slower processor but with much more L2/L3 cache. I ended up selling it.
im also still at a feb 3rd ship date on my 15"
i sure as hell hope its an updated model. apple updated the ibook line about 2 weeks after i bought my last ibook and i totally got screwed out of about 300$ in price drops and also new features.
i have other horror stories associated with my ibook but lets just i could really use a treat from apple right now.
i sure as hell hope its an updated model. apple updated the ibook line about 2 weeks after i bought my last ibook and i totally got screwed out of about 300$ in price drops and also new features.
i have other horror stories associated with my ibook but lets just i could really use a treat from apple right now.
no uk refurbs?
so maybe the fact that there have been no refurbs on the apple site for at least 4 weeks in the UK indicates something?
i'm wanting a powerbook 12 with fw800, decent vid card and a 1.25Ghz chip....i'm probably dreaming
the last bit is optional tho
so maybe the fact that there have been no refurbs on the apple site for at least 4 weeks in the UK indicates something?
i'm wanting a powerbook 12 with fw800, decent vid card and a 1.25Ghz chip....i'm probably dreaming
the last bit is optional tho
ship dates are red herrings
Sorry to disappoint folks, but the "I received a ship date of Feb 3, hmmm!" seems to be a red herring. I ordered two PBG4's (15" 1.25GHz) on Jan 16 (after some folks here), and was given ship dates of 1/29. (Exactly seven business days after my order date, I notice; it said "ships in 5-7 days" when I ordered.)
If Feb 3 ship dates were due to impending updates, I'd expect that mine would be delayed to that date as well. However, one of the two (the one I customized by swapping the SuperDrive out for a combo drive) shipped today. The one I customized with the 5400rpm drive is still estimated to ship tomorrow (but I doubt it will, unless all the other "delayed until Feb 3" ones do too).
In short, I'd guess that the Feb 3 shipping date some people are getting has more to do with an expected order of SuperDrive parts and/or 5400rpm HDs (the only differences between my two 'books) than with Apple holding onto orders until an update day.
(PS. I also bought an iBook about 3 weeks before they slapped G4's in 'em all. DOH!)
Sorry to disappoint folks, but the "I received a ship date of Feb 3, hmmm!" seems to be a red herring. I ordered two PBG4's (15" 1.25GHz) on Jan 16 (after some folks here), and was given ship dates of 1/29. (Exactly seven business days after my order date, I notice; it said "ships in 5-7 days" when I ordered.)
If Feb 3 ship dates were due to impending updates, I'd expect that mine would be delayed to that date as well. However, one of the two (the one I customized by swapping the SuperDrive out for a combo drive) shipped today. The one I customized with the 5400rpm drive is still estimated to ship tomorrow (but I doubt it will, unless all the other "delayed until Feb 3" ones do too).
In short, I'd guess that the Feb 3 shipping date some people are getting has more to do with an expected order of SuperDrive parts and/or 5400rpm HDs (the only differences between my two 'books) than with Apple holding onto orders until an update day.
(PS. I also bought an iBook about 3 weeks before they slapped G4's in 'em all. DOH!)
Re: ship dates are red herrings
Nope, I dont have a superdrive or a 5400 hd on mine. Mine was ordered on 16th and delayed to feb3rd.
Nope, I dont have a superdrive or a 5400 hd on mine. Mine was ordered on 16th and delayed to feb3rd.
Re: Off topic and not for the faint of heart
um ...
There's another whole thread on this link already here in MacRumors, Was posted two days ago and has a hundred and fifty responses already.
The link was e-mailed to other Mac sites to make more mac users aware,
see "PC'd Apple G5" under Mac Hardware/Software
Thanks, though pigwin
um ...
There's another whole thread on this link already here in MacRumors, Was posted two days ago and has a hundred and fifty responses already.
The link was e-mailed to other Mac sites to make more mac users aware,
see "PC'd Apple G5" under Mac Hardware/Software
Thanks, though pigwin
possible explanation
This info could be totally off...........but.
I've been talking with an Apple representative through the Developer Connection for about two weeks now trying to get a defective 15" Powerbook exchanged. We finally got everyting sorted out and the new one is set to ship Feb. 5th (translation-probably Feb. 9th or later).
Originally, I asked that a new PB be sent out right away (this is normally done with the main apple store), but through the ADC the return must be received first before they can start a replacement order. OK, whatever, they finally sent the order for a new PB to be built yesterday, a week after they received mine. She volunteered (I did not ask) that last week no shippments were made because of the Chinese New Year, that the factory in Tiawan took the week off to celebrate.
I would love to see an updated PB when my 2nd one gets here but, this sounds reasonable to me especially since I didn't even ask about delays, backorders, or updates. It would explain the delays everyone has received and why some PB's have shipped this week.
reason
This info could be totally off...........but.
I've been talking with an Apple representative through the Developer Connection for about two weeks now trying to get a defective 15" Powerbook exchanged. We finally got everyting sorted out and the new one is set to ship Feb. 5th (translation-probably Feb. 9th or later).
Originally, I asked that a new PB be sent out right away (this is normally done with the main apple store), but through the ADC the return must be received first before they can start a replacement order. OK, whatever, they finally sent the order for a new PB to be built yesterday, a week after they received mine. She volunteered (I did not ask) that last week no shippments were made because of the Chinese New Year, that the factory in Tiawan took the week off to celebrate.
I would love to see an updated PB when my 2nd one gets here but, this sounds reasonable to me especially since I didn't even ask about delays, backorders, or updates. It would explain the delays everyone has received and why some PB's have shipped this week.
reason
so... 15 inch, PB superdrive...
So I have a crap powerbook wallstreet 233, and the cd rom kranked out long time ago, so I have to keep the drive out of the dock for the mac to work well.
or pretty much work at all.
I am at the point (well far beyond it)
where I am ready to get the 15" powerbook, 80 gig, superdrive lappytop. Should I wait longer for the G5 to be put in or go ahead next week and order it. I will be using DV editing etc, photoshop, and audio recording-editing.
Since I have waited this long should I wait longer (like next fall) or go ahead???
I am intrigued by these rumors and am wondering what sort of surprises await us.
Thanks
-bv
So I have a crap powerbook wallstreet 233, and the cd rom kranked out long time ago, so I have to keep the drive out of the dock for the mac to work well.
or pretty much work at all.
I am at the point (well far beyond it)
where I am ready to get the 15" powerbook, 80 gig, superdrive lappytop. Should I wait longer for the G5 to be put in or go ahead next week and order it. I will be using DV editing etc, photoshop, and audio recording-editing.
Since I have waited this long should I wait longer (like next fall) or go ahead???
I am intrigued by these rumors and am wondering what sort of surprises await us.
Thanks
-bv
Re: so... 15 inch, PB superdrive...
2. You would be better off with a 7200 rpm 60GB HD (IBM/Hitachi) inside your book with an external FireWire drive to hold your bulk, than to put a slow 80GB inside.
3. We have all heard Steve Jobs assure us the G5 laptop will be available by the end of the year (?) but with the serious heat problems they have to solve, I would not hold my breath. Besides, do you really want to be an earlier adopter of the 1st issue of a laptop "prototype"? You NEED a PowerBook now, waiting will turn your hair grey. There's always another rumor or promise around the corner. Get the G4 today and make Apple convince you that they have really worked out all the problems during the year AFTER the first G5 PowerBook is released, then buy a G5. So, do you want to have a G4 15 or 17 now, or hold onto your Wallstreet for another year or so?
Do whatever you think will make you happy.
1. For DV editing and media creation, you really should seriously consider a 17" or you are going to need a very large external LCD at home.
2. You would be better off with a 7200 rpm 60GB HD (IBM/Hitachi) inside your book with an external FireWire drive to hold your bulk, than to put a slow 80GB inside.
3. We have all heard Steve Jobs assure us the G5 laptop will be available by the end of the year (?) but with the serious heat problems they have to solve, I would not hold my breath. Besides, do you really want to be an earlier adopter of the 1st issue of a laptop "prototype"? You NEED a PowerBook now, waiting will turn your hair grey. There's always another rumor or promise around the corner. Get the G4 today and make Apple convince you that they have really worked out all the problems during the year AFTER the first G5 PowerBook is released, then buy a G5. So, do you want to have a G4 15 or 17 now, or hold onto your Wallstreet for another year or so?
Do whatever you think will make you happy.
I don't think it's legal?
I've got something to say/ask... I'm not so sure it would be legal for apple to give people revised powerbooks like they are talking about without their consent. I know everyone would be thrilled as all get out to get a revised edition when they had ordered the regular one... but seriously... I don't think they can do that can they?
Businesses are binded by law to give their consumers exactly what they order and pay for. I don't know why anyone would, but some guy out there (probabaly the idiot that killed the g5 to build a $250 crap pc), could try to sue them for sending him something he didn't order without his consent. I doubt anyone would be that drastic about it, but you never know with the people running out their today.
I don't mean to be drastic or anything... I really hope they do get revised because I'm waiting till they do to order mine. I just don't think the delays on ordered Powerbooks are because of the new revised Powerbooks. If you remember correctly the same source as the revised Powerbook date also said later there would be a price drop too... So how would Apple deal with that? Ship revised Powerbooks out along with a $300 check? Sounds to me like it's more of a parts issue (like the upgraded 5400 hard drive). But then again maybe apple will be calling all of you on the 2nd to make sure it's ok?
I've got something to say/ask... I'm not so sure it would be legal for apple to give people revised powerbooks like they are talking about without their consent. I know everyone would be thrilled as all get out to get a revised edition when they had ordered the regular one... but seriously... I don't think they can do that can they?
Businesses are binded by law to give their consumers exactly what they order and pay for. I don't know why anyone would, but some guy out there (probabaly the idiot that killed the g5 to build a $250 crap pc), could try to sue them for sending him something he didn't order without his consent. I doubt anyone would be that drastic about it, but you never know with the people running out their today.
I don't mean to be drastic or anything... I really hope they do get revised because I'm waiting till they do to order mine. I just don't think the delays on ordered Powerbooks are because of the new revised Powerbooks. If you remember correctly the same source as the revised Powerbook date also said later there would be a price drop too... So how would Apple deal with that? Ship revised Powerbooks out along with a $300 check? Sounds to me like it's more of a parts issue (like the upgraded 5400 hard drive). But then again maybe apple will be calling all of you on the 2nd to make sure it's ok?
legal?
If a Merchant cannot deliver exactly the goods as specially ordered, then it must either upgrade the order to the satisfaction of the Purchaser, or refund their money. That's the choice. Accept the upgrade or take your money back.
Since Apple has a long history of instant upgrades or promptly refunding money, what is the problem? Most people I know would be delighted with an upgrade from 1.25GHZ to 1.33GHz on a PB order, an 8x DVD burner instead of a 4x SuperDrive, or a larger or faster drive.
ALTERNATIVE: If you don't like ordering online and waiting for the shipment to arrive, go to an Apple Store or authorized dealer and pay cash for what's in the box. That way you know exactly what you are getting before you leave the retail store.
The Uniform Commercial Code (UCC) which has been adopted by most states throughout the US, handles exactly what you are concerned about.
If a Merchant cannot deliver exactly the goods as specially ordered, then it must either upgrade the order to the satisfaction of the Purchaser, or refund their money. That's the choice. Accept the upgrade or take your money back.
Since Apple has a long history of instant upgrades or promptly refunding money, what is the problem? Most people I know would be delighted with an upgrade from 1.25GHZ to 1.33GHz on a PB order, an 8x DVD burner instead of a 4x SuperDrive, or a larger or faster drive.
ALTERNATIVE: If you don't like ordering online and waiting for the shipment to arrive, go to an Apple Store or authorized dealer and pay cash for what's in the box. That way you know exactly what you are getting before you leave the retail store.
Phewf!
I thought I knew that Apple had upgraded things in the past, so its good to hear.
Here's to hoping for upgrades to our orders-in-limbo!
I thought I knew that Apple had upgraded things in the past, so its good to hear.
Here's to hoping for upgrades to our orders-in-limbo!
Re: Phewf!
If Apple isn't able to "deliver" what you ordered, they will either "better" the deal or give you your money back. Makes me happy.
Absolutely! I'm pretty sure that Apple started automatically inserting 4x SuperDrives into Macs when it ran out of 2x, which it probably didn't want to order anymore 2x since they were offered a good price on the newer 4x DVD burners. And, I don't remember hearing them make any particular announcement about it, they just took good care of Apple customers. Eventually, we all found out when Apple announced the availability of new 4x blank DVD media and a new lower price for 2x, and then the problems with the old 2x SuperDrives conflicting with 4x media (or something) and a firmware FIX, which Apple promptly took care of.
If Apple isn't able to "deliver" what you ordered, they will either "better" the deal or give you your money back. Makes me happy.
Re: Re: Off topic and not for the faint of heart
Thanks for the heads up Mr Maui, if you checked the date of my original post it was in fact also two days ago (somewhat later than the original but then I don't tend to browse that discussion group).
Thanks, though Mr Maui
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Thanks for the heads up Mr Maui, if you checked the date of my original post it was in fact also two days ago (somewhat later than the original but then I don't tend to browse that discussion group).
Thanks, though Mr Maui
Re: Re: so... 15 inch, PB superdrive...
Hey MacRand, I appreciate your post-reply.
You bring up these issues perfectly... I mean having a later generation (or should I say latest) PowerbookG4 as opposed to a first run g5 is a much better idea. I think IN the next week or two I will go ahead an order my g4powerbook 15. I guess after all up-ing the RAM will be more effective than anything else at this point. I mean 1.25 ghz will be such a leap from what I have now... it will be so refreshing.
so anyone have ideas on the RAM?
cause I will upgrade im sure... but should go for the 2x256 or the 1 SO-DIMM so as to have a space empty for a nice upgrade?
Thanks My mac-peeps.
-bv
p.s. and if someone ever said money can't buy you happiness they never bought a mac!
Hey MacRand, I appreciate your post-reply.
You bring up these issues perfectly... I mean having a later generation (or should I say latest) PowerbookG4 as opposed to a first run g5 is a much better idea. I think IN the next week or two I will go ahead an order my g4powerbook 15. I guess after all up-ing the RAM will be more effective than anything else at this point. I mean 1.25 ghz will be such a leap from what I have now... it will be so refreshing.
so anyone have ideas on the RAM?
cause I will upgrade im sure... but should go for the 2x256 or the 1 SO-DIMM so as to have a space empty for a nice upgrade?
Thanks My mac-peeps.
-bv
p.s. and if someone ever said money can't buy you happiness they never bought a mac!
Re: Re: Re: so... 15 inch, PB superdrive...
Probably with the money i'd save by not buying the 1GB chip, I'd order the PB with a slow, small, cheap HD, then immediately buy a fast 7200 rpm 60GB IBM/Hitachi for $259 and pay an Apple Auth. shop to install. Z00M! goes the rocket.
Too many people are pulling the 2x256 and that makes them so plentiful they are worthless. right now the prices suggest 2x512, because the cost of a 1GB is ugly. However, your point of saving 1 slot is well taken.
Probably with the money i'd save by not buying the 1GB chip, I'd order the PB with a slow, small, cheap HD, then immediately buy a fast 7200 rpm 60GB IBM/Hitachi for $259 and pay an Apple Auth. shop to install. Z00M! goes the rocket.
just my suggestions
Hey there...
As usual these are just my suggestions from hours of streeful decision making and researching this upgrading subject.
Ok so...my advise is that you swap out the 2x256 chips with 2x512 meg aftermarket kingston or crucial chips. These are very easy to do yourself...trust me...have done it. The price apple is charging you to swap the 2x256 chips out for 1x512 is already the price of a 1x512 chip so what the heck is the point in getting them to do it when you can do it and then have a backupmset of 256s if need be or selling possibilities.
Next...the hard drive... do as you were thinking and get the base drive installed by apple and take the money you saved on not getting the standard or the upgrade from apple and buy yourself a 7200 fast drive and swap the slow one out and then put the slow on in a pocket usb/firewire case for file backup, mp3 storage or watever.
This is a pretty cheap way of getting the fastest machine out there and without having to pay apple to upgrade to minimal parts like the 5400 rpm instead of the 7200.
Just my thoughts.
cheers.
Hey there...
As usual these are just my suggestions from hours of streeful decision making and researching this upgrading subject.
Ok so...my advise is that you swap out the 2x256 chips with 2x512 meg aftermarket kingston or crucial chips. These are very easy to do yourself...trust me...have done it. The price apple is charging you to swap the 2x256 chips out for 1x512 is already the price of a 1x512 chip so what the heck is the point in getting them to do it when you can do it and then have a backupmset of 256s if need be or selling possibilities.
Next...the hard drive... do as you were thinking and get the base drive installed by apple and take the money you saved on not getting the standard or the upgrade from apple and buy yourself a 7200 fast drive and swap the slow one out and then put the slow on in a pocket usb/firewire case for file backup, mp3 storage or watever.
This is a pretty cheap way of getting the fastest machine out there and without having to pay apple to upgrade to minimal parts like the 5400 rpm instead of the 7200.
Just my thoughts.
cheers.
Re: just my suggestions
It's a great idea but don't try to install the drive yourself unless you want to void your warranty. The 7200 is a great drive and probably cheaper to source yourself than through Apple but ask your local Apple repair shop what it would cost to get them to install the drive.
Do not VOID your Warranty by installing the HD yourself.
(from www.otherworldcomputing.com) a fast
7200 rpm 60GB IBM/Hitachi for $259 http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=5930&Item=HIT08K0939 and
pay an Apple Auth. shop to install", or like pigwin32 says,
if you do it yourself, you will "void your warranty".
NOTE: there are undoubtedly many other sources for the HD besides OWC, but it was simply the easiest supplier for me to find when I did a quick Search.
"order the PB with a slow, small, cheap HD, then immediately buy
(from www.otherworldcomputing.com) a fast
7200 rpm 60GB IBM/Hitachi for $259 http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=5930&Item=HIT08K0939 and
pay an Apple Auth. shop to install", or like pigwin32 says,
if you do it yourself, you will "void your warranty".
NOTE: there are undoubtedly many other sources for the HD besides OWC, but it was simply the easiest supplier for me to find when I did a quick Search.
YEs...please dont think I meant to
Please dont think I meant to put the drive in yourself... That would be a big big no no. I was just saying it was the best way to upgrade the system...and quite cheap really if I must say so myself. Just make sure you get a authorized rep to install it for you.
chheers
Please dont think I meant to put the drive in yourself... That would be a big big no no. I was just saying it was the best way to upgrade the system...and quite cheap really if I must say so myself. Just make sure you get a authorized rep to install it for you.
chheers