Well of these rumors are close to being true, then I would expect Apple Stock to take a big dip in the next few months. Sales of the G5 should be in the toilet about now. They better come up with a pretty big speed bump or they will continue to be in the toilet. Just glad I sold it when it wa still close to 27.
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jwhitnah said:
Software is way-far-behind the curve in terms of real advancement... I'm just saying that the typical user will not see the difference in a 1GHz vs a 2GHz for 90% of all their applications on current hardware. It wasn't always the case. I'm guessing that lack of memory is the major problem with older PCs with newer operating systems. This little Dell laptop with ~400 MHz Celeron and 256M memory runs great for posting on this board... Its perceptably much faster than it was when I had win ME on it a couple years ago...
I think you will find that Intel has reached a plateau at its current yields on P4.... This is a good thing. Maybe software development will catch up to the current hardware and deliver rock-solid, high-performance apps, optimized for the hardware its on.
Internet 2 is designed to improve routing in a high-speed network infrastructure... It does nothing for joe six-pack with his 56k modem.
Finally: Physics has a speed limit, too...
reorx said:Software is way-far-behind the curve in terms of real advancement... I'm just saying that the typical user will not see the difference in a 1GHz vs a 2GHz for 90% of all their applications on current hardware. It wasn't always the case. I'm guessing that lack of memory is the major problem with older PCs with newer operating systems. This little Dell laptop with ~400 MHz Celeron and 256M memory runs great for posting on this board... Its perceptably much faster than it was when I had win ME on it a couple years ago...
I think you will find that Intel has reached a plateau at its current yields on P4.... This is a good thing. Maybe software development will catch up to the current hardware and deliver rock-solid, high-performance apps, optimized for the hardware its on.
Internet 2 is designed to improve routing in a high-speed network infrastructure... It does nothing for joe six-pack with his 56k modem.
Finally: Physics has a speed limit, too...
If all this is true, no one needs a 3 GHz. Shame on Job's for wetting my appetite for something that I will never need. How Orwellian. As a Mac geek, I too frequently make excuses when Apple doesn't deliver.
bar italia said:
seriously.
this is what, the fifth or sixth different reason for the g5 delays? they have a new reason every week, literally. seeing how easy it seems to be for ibm to make 2ghz g5's, i doubt it would be significantly more difficult for them to make 2.2 or 2.4ghz. possibly more difficult on the 90nm chip, but if so they would have been aware of this difficulty probably a year ago, and would have proceeded accordingly. so i think this whole thing is crap. macrumors needs to stop posting this junk from appleinsider, each rumor they have contradicts the previous rumor.
avkills said:
well done! that is how you say something. Still Apple needs something big to get back on track!
To all the other aussies out there,
i am in the market for a new G5, and was just wondering if anyone knows what the usual delay between a PM release and when they are available down here is?
-Cheers
i am in the market for a new G5, and was just wondering if anyone knows what the usual delay between a PM release and when they are available down here is?
-Cheers
aussiemac86 said:
It can be a while. It might just be a few weeks but more realistically it might be a couple of months...
avkills said:
AVKills, thank you for bringing some sense into all of this!
Amazing how most people will never be satisfied no matter what; always need more, more, more... especially Americans.
alexf said:
That's so sad, but true. I have a dual 2, and it's an amazing machine. Almost more than what I could ever use it for. But in my country, everyone wants more. That's why McDonald's had to bring out fries with less fat (although it was very unhealthy anyways) just because of the lawsuits. People just want more, at least in America.
Chase
PRØBE said:
To clear the confusion, I was illustrating how his posting about putting up with Apple's failures was similar to how one would rationalise remaining in an abusive relationship.
But, I can that you're all still in denial
lol
cait-sith said:
I'm not sure if this will shed any light into IBM's situation, but the reason why Intel has not been able to ramp up speeds and cut power consumption in their switch to 90 nm, is that things have gotten so small, that current leakage is a big problem. So, either the chip doesn't work properly, or it takes up even more power with the smaller size.
I had thought that IBM was more advanced, with SOI, strained silicon, etc., and so might not have the same problems, but maybe they still are. Who knows?
MarkCollette said:To clear the confusion, I was illustrating how his posting about putting up with Apple's failures was similar to how one would rationalise remaining in an abusive relationship.
But, I can that you're all still in denial
You "can" what?
rendezvouscp said:
i don't think that it is specifically american to "always want more". when referring to computers & software, i think it is because of the rapid development and improvements that you very soon get the feeling that your equipment is out of date. one could say that in computers there is something like an ideology of the new, or more specific: of the latest update and the fastetst software. this does not only apply to americans, but to all computer users whatsoever...
rabatjoie said:
Very true. With computers, and technology in general, it is different. But, I was just adding on to what alexf said. But I know you knew that
.Chase
MarkCollette said:To clear the confusion, I was illustrating how his posting about putting up with Apple's failures was similar to how one would rationalise remaining in an abusive relationship.
But, I can that you're all still in denial
How exactly is it a failure to have to solve a problem? I really think some people need to take some time to seriously think about how things are made. Its not like Apple sits down and says we'll make this and it works right away. You have to build prototypes and fix problems and come up with better designs. Engineering is a process, its not magic.
Are the prices for the G5's still the same as when they were introduced? I'm guessing there will be no new machines until the end of the year, if then. I was going to buy a dual G5 back in December but some Mac friends convinced me I should wait. (thanks alot for the advice guys) So now I've waited for nothing, obviously, but I still need a Mac to run FCP. So I'm back in the market for a Mac, but I would feel a lot better about it if there was some discount for these old machines.
Opinions please...
Hey guys - I have a Dual 500Mhz G4 tower with 1.5GB of RAM. It is faster than my TiPB 1Ghz G4 with 256MB of RAM. I am a musician (Logic user) who has been holding out on purchasing a new Mac until the Dual 3's come out. With all the information (rumored info anyway) you guys have come across - should I go to buy a Dual 2 tomorrow or wait until WWDC? I CAN wait but if you think it's not gonna hit the Dual 3 mark or even if it does - be some hurried and crappy iteration thereof (which just gets 'fixed' in another revision soon thereafter) - should I just get the Dual 2?
Sorry to post here but it's where I felt that most people waiting for info on the Dual 3's would be.
Hyde
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122112 = 46&2...
Hey guys - I have a Dual 500Mhz G4 tower with 1.5GB of RAM. It is faster than my TiPB 1Ghz G4 with 256MB of RAM. I am a musician (Logic user) who has been holding out on purchasing a new Mac until the Dual 3's come out. With all the information (rumored info anyway) you guys have come across - should I go to buy a Dual 2 tomorrow or wait until WWDC? I CAN wait but if you think it's not gonna hit the Dual 3 mark or even if it does - be some hurried and crappy iteration thereof (which just gets 'fixed' in another revision soon thereafter) - should I just get the Dual 2?
Sorry to post here but it's where I felt that most people waiting for info on the Dual 3's would be.
Hyde
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122112 = 46&2...
Hyde said:
There will be updates at or around the timeframe of WWDC (or else Apple will be in deep **** I think). But if they are 3.0 or "just" 2.5, none of us know.
If i would buy a Powermac now, i'd buy a refurb..nice discount for the same machine.
But you said it yourself, you can wait to wwdc, so you'll get more bang for your bucks
klaus said:
Why do Mac people always say the same thing? New Macs will be out (insert next trade show name here, or nearest Tuesday) so you should wait. The fact is that advice is almost always wrong. Not blaming you. I fell for it myself and now I'm stuck with the option of not buying a Mac at all, or buying one that is nearly a year old with little to no discount.
Michael Vance said:Why do Mac people always say the same thing? New Macs will be out (insert next trade show name here, or nearest Tuesday) so you should wait. The fact is that advice is almost always wrong. Not blaming you. I fell for it myself and now I'm stuck with the option of not buying a Mac at all, or buying one that is nearly a year old with little to no discount.
I understand your point, that's why I told him to get a refurb now, cause that way you get a discount with the latest available hardware. But he said he could wait, so he'll have more bang for his bucks then..
I'm a switcher too, so i'll buy the first new Powermac available, and not any sooner, so It can last at least 2 years!
jane doe said:
I agree- most (all?) recent PowerPC chips can tell their temperture on-chip. A sensor on/near the heatsink is not good enough for critical temperture measurements, because if the heatsink is not designed correctly, the chip could still get very hot for short periods without the sensor knowing anything was wrong.
If I were running a rumor site, and my readers were expecting a speed increase in G5's, I would be able to come up with all sorts of reasons why Apple hasn't released the faster computers.
Maybe Apple is purposefully waiting for significantly faster chips (not being let down by suppliers or having problems with sensors)- you may not agree with their business plan, but I find it more likely than the fact that the "delay" is due to unexpected hheat sensor problems.
To people who buy computers in big organisations, the G5 is still new (we only bought our first last month), and it is still the fastest Mac ever. I always thought (and still do) that they would bump to 3GHz in one go, at WWDC.
Dont Hurt Me said:
Well, I guess that means PB G5s will be here today (Tuesday). If they can't use all the 970fx's above 2ghz then they'll have a lot to spare. I had to say it, ha ha.