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PowerMac G5, iMac G5, eMac Specs

The specs for the 970MP are that it has 1MB of L2 cache:

Each core will have its own 1MB L2 cache, sources said; the 970FX has only 512KB. L3 cache will not be supported.

The specs listed for the new PowerMacs at thinksecret are for 512k L2 cache...... :eek: So it looks like they are still using the old single core chips rather than dual core.
 
The fact is unless these G5s are based on the 970 MP this will be an even more underwhelming update than last year. It would only be a messly 200 MHz, addition of a Dual Layer optical drive (which we should have had a few months ago) and maybe a small boost to the standard disk space. Oh, and Apple finally decided that the NVIDIA 5200 didn't even deserve to be next to a Power Mac.

They need to be dual core.
 
Looks like nothing materialized regarding iBook upgrades, as Appleinsider had reported two weeks ago.

Oh well. Maybe later.
 
2.7 is fine it will do the job very well - i know one member here who will be happy with the iMac updates (lincoln )

now where are them iBook's !!!!! some of us love them little white things

overall = Happy
 
MacSA said:
The specs for the 970MP are that it has 1MB of L2 cache:

Each core will have its own 1MB L2 cache, sources said; the 970FX has only 512KB. L3 cache will not be supported.

The specs listed for the new PowerMacs at thinksecret are for 512k L2 cache...... :eek:
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Mmm. Not good. Maybe TS's source just threw that cache info in on an assumption...or maybe not...

200MHz in what...6 months?
 
Stella said:
Intel are playing the Mhz game... the P4 running @ 4 Ghz isn't necessarily faster than processors running at lower clock rates.
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Well, we have to live with these new PMs for a year at least. That means for a whole year we are going to be a lot slower than Intel. The situation will develop again where pros migrate away because they just can't resist the raw power differential.

Power Macs aside, I think the new iMac is going to be great. They have really been listening about memory and video cards.
 
MacSA said:
The specs for the 970MP are that it has 1MB of L2 cache:

Each core will have its own 1MB L2 cache, sources said; the 970FX has only 512KB. L3 cache will not be supported.

The specs listed for the new PowerMacs at thinksecret are for 512k L2 cache...... :eek: So it looks like they are still using the old single core chips rather than dual core.
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Also........it says "512K L2 cache per processor".........per PROCESSOR, not core. ;)
 
I don't want to get anyone in trouble, so I'm not going to say from who or where I got this information...but regarding an order I was going to place, I was told to wait because it was "very likely the iMacs and FCP would be updated at NAB."
 
I don't think that this upgrade is so bad a least if this is just a little bumb = more RAM better GPU ++ but that the PM's will be updated at WWDC again..but while they are at it why not now :confused: :p :D
 
The FSB and L2 specs if correct, indicate the chip is probably not the 970MP.

The 970MP has (as mentioned) 1MB of L2 Cache per core. Also the FS (at last info on the 970MP) ran at 1/3rd of the system clock speed. Although this could have changed between the last info on the 970MP and now.

Also, in theory the 970MP was supposed to make an appearance at 3GHz.

In either case, if the new PowerMacs are not dual core, I will have to re-evaluate whether or not I will be buying a PowerMac now or waiting for the dual core ones to appear.

Maybe some of the specs were assumed? Maybe they're correct. But maybe, just maybe they're totally wrong. I guess well know sometime this month as to what the real soecs are.
 
broken_keyboard said:
Power Macs aside, I think the new iMac is going to be great. They have really been listening about memory and video cards.
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That's so true! If they truly get the Radeon 9600 instead of that accursed GFFX5200 then iMac is looking like a much better buy. A big reason for me leaning toward the PM instead of the iMac is the horrible GPU in the iMac.

If this come true, my next buy might be a iMac instead of a new PC.... although I think I'll wait a while to see if there's any issues. The noise thing with the current rev. have made me a litte wary.
 
I have to say that I wasn't really expecting the dual core chips yet. Hopefully the next update cycle will be a short one, not another 10 months or even six. The graphics updates would be very nice, and necessary if Tiger is going to make any sense. The iMac is looking like a great deal again, although I don't like the idea of an all-in-one with an expensive LCD. And that Dual 2.0 could be a great deal if it comes in well under $2000.
 
Sounds like a small, incremental upgrade to me. And I didn't see anything about PCI Express, which I was hoping for in the next PM upgrade. If this is what they're doing now, it's unlikely we'll see anything more at WWDC. So the next chance for a major PM announcement would be the Paris expo.

(On the other hand, if these are dual core, these upgrades would be tempting.)
 
SAukland said:
Slap these puppies with Tiger, and Apple's sales will be very healthy.
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New 20" iMac with Tiger, amn that's got to be worth breaking into the credit card for. Still curious on the next iBooks ... need to get me a new one.

And although it doesn't directly impact me, I also think the PM upgrades, if they are as rumoured, are a little disappointing.

But ya can't get everything I spose.
 
ROTFLMAO , Once again you can depend on the incompetence of apple and all it's partners to screw things up again. So after nearly a year , almost 2 if you count the original debut of the G5. Apple once again drops the ball .

Not only did they not reach 3ghz after nearly a year, but are still the last one using AGP , as everyone else had already moved on to greener PCIe pastures. I knew i could rely on apple to blow it again , they should just quit the computer business sell OSX to M$ , make iPods and consumer electronics. Pretty much at this rate they will never catch up. I now can honestly say that I have no regrets jumping ship to AMD.

AMD and Intel will have Dual Core CPU's on store shelves by summer. I'm sure we can expect A Singel Core Athlon FX-59 3.0ghz 1MB L2 by November since the FX-55 2.8ghz 1MB L2 is expected in May.

Apple is in some seriously deep Sh*t , once those AMD/Intel Dualcore's hit the streets, If anyone has been paying attention to Anandtech , Cnet , and Tomshardware, you will see what I mean. Those performance numbers can temp even the most loyal Mac Zealot, especially the Multitasking results.

Radeon 9650 256MB.....LOL , I've never even herd of a 9650 , I know about the Radeon 9550 and 9250. This must be some new low end crap ATI is putting out. I don't get why a 9800 Pro (which it ancient now) is not standard on a 3K machine. damn apple atleast a 9600XT not some vanilla non pro 9600 crap. 256MB is nothing more then a slick marketing ploy by Card vendors to jack up the price as no 128bit 4 Pipleline card and take full advantage of anything beyond 128MB because of memory bandwidth limitations.

In order to take full advantage of a 256MB card you need atleast 8 Pipleline and 256bit Memort Interface. A prime example of this is the Geforce 6600GT it has a 128bit interface which is why it only comes in 128MB configurations.

P.S. I'm not gonna completely bash Apple , as I think the iMac upgrades are much better as compared to the PM's , however those specs should have been standard in the 1st gen iMac G5 since u can pretty much get similar stuff in $599 PC's now.
 
See this is what I predicted would happen with the PM's, My dilemma was buying a PM DP 2.5Ghz at the end of March or waiting till mid April for new PM's to start rolling out. I didn't want to find out that I'd buy the 2.5 and find out a 3 is just around the corner. It's a shame IBM cant hit past ~2.7Ghz on the G5's though I'm sure if they increased the pipeline stages they could get the speed up just a tad but the magic 3Ghz is hard to reach.

I'm slightly relieved that a 2.7 isn't a huge upgrade from my 2.5 so I'll be set knowing that I made the right choice to buy.

I also forgot to add that a 200Mhz jump by all means isn't considered a real upgrade but if you look on the AMD side of things they are having a struggle increasing the speeds to but not nearly as bad as IBM. Also you have to consider that the G5 is a RISC cpu and therefore runs a bit hotter to begin with and works a bit harder so naturally its harder to get the speeds up.
 
I'm a happy chappy. :) PM dual 2Ghz More RAM, better but not great Graphcs card, Big HD. Nice bonus with the optical drive. This is now a good base level machine.....as long as the price stays around £1,150 mark.

Any how, this is the Mac that I will be getting, I should last me the next 4 years. :D
 
Flickta said:
200 mhz increase... Wow... Even Moto did better at times.
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Yupp, even Moto...
Steve promised us 3 GHz a long long time ago, it's getting pretty embarrassing.
Unless they are dual core! :D
 
Wow. Only a 200MHz increase in the top-end Mac?
And how about that 2-year old dual 2GHz model?

Last year's bumps were acceptable, because 500MHz was 25%. 200MHz is now less than 10%. If these aren't the MP CPUs, then that's really quite disappointing - and sure to get royally blasted by the multiple core Opterons.
 
So everything except the Mac mini and the iBook will have GPU's that take full advantage of what Tiger has to offer......this is unfortunate, as the iBook and mini are popular switcher machines.
 
B-52 Macer said:
Yupp, even Moto...
Steve promised us 3 GHz a long long time ago, it's getting pretty embarrassing.
Unless they are dual core! :D
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That’s true, I have been waiting to buy a new G5 but wanted to wait until they hit 3 GHz but now at 2.7 - I just don’t know if I should get it or not, I guess I will wait and see what they come out with.
 
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