Damn.....a 64 meg vid ram for the new Emac !! That's my ONLY complaint with mine. Wish it had 64 or preferably 128 megs video ram. Otherwise I love it.
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i've seen some silly posts here, but my favorites are those that scream they won't be satisfied with anything less than a dualcore 3.0 dual processors. Get real! Do you have any idea what kind of a jump that would be? It would be many times faster han the current top of the line, an increase of several hundred percent. Not going to happen...yet. I imagine a modest update now, nice price drops, and a huge update several months down the road...or a dualcore in the top model only at around 2.0. If duals were coming the individual processor speeds would be slower or equal to the current speeds, they certainly wouldn't be faster. i think they'll get rid of all the damn g5 cases now and get a whole new line of computers ready for production in 3-6 months.
Okay, this thread is entirely too long for me to read, so I'm hoping someone can summarize it for me. I have better ways to spend my morning than reading 20 pages of comments by drooling Apple fanboys.
Why does this article have 126 positives and 327 negatives? Think Secret has an impeccable track record, so I'm inclined to believe it's because you guys just don't like what's being reported. You do realize that makes the rating metric completely worthless, right?
Why does this article have 126 positives and 327 negatives? Think Secret has an impeccable track record, so I'm inclined to believe it's because you guys just don't like what's being reported. You do realize that makes the rating metric completely worthless, right?
jbrown said:
lol. Three processors would be nice... but I think the current Dual 2.5 liquid cooling system is way to expensive already and can't handel a "tri" 3ghz.
themonk said:
My main concern is that the Rev. C update fixes previous problems. Also an increase to specifications such as RAM, VRAM, and processor speed. The price decrease would be icing on the cake.
I'm surprised that Apple would change the case so soon. Your timing would between WWDC and MacWorld Paris. An update that soon just seems to be unreal, since updates have been at one year intervals.
MacSA said:
Yep... but 160gb HD would be nice in the eMac, but I think the 2.7ghz PM should have a 500gb HD... wouldn't that be nice?
I love the eMac updates... but I sure wish we could see a g5 in that thing.
-W
PS- The eMac does have to have some sort of advantage over the Mac mini! and if you think about it... the Dual 2.0 is bascially like the iMac G5 without the 17" screen.
butt said:
Thanks for the complment!
lol. jk.
basically its about the PM and the eMac... most of the iMac stuff (or least for me was kinda expected)
Most people are mad becuase the PM will most likely not reach 3ghz, only 2.7... but that makes me confused
, thats twice as fast as the Mac mini and i've read of people using the Mac mini for Video Editing and Photoshop CS fine, they said its slow at points but not bad at all (These people were using 512mbs of ram) so I don't see the problem with 2.7... I think its just becuase its been a year and 200mhz isn't a huge difference.
butt said:
Impeccable track record? Here's what Sherlock says for impeccable.
impeccable
adj 1: without fault or error; "faultless logic"; "speaks impeccable French"; "timing and technique were immaculate"; "an immaculate record" [syn: faultless, immaculate]
I'm constantly amazed how selective people are re: thinksecret (in particular) but also appleinsider and others about their prediction accuracy. They get A LOT wrong.
What if...
What if...
...the emac & PMs announced at NAB are the speed bumps that have been discussed
...new iMacs & PBs at WWDC
...new iBooks at MWParis
...oh, one more thing!
Also announced at NAB are new XServe Duallies (Dual, Dual-core CPUs) with additional chips (CELL or other) that speed graphics/rendering-- specifically h264 encoding/decoding.
What if...
...the emac & PMs announced at NAB are the speed bumps that have been discussed
...new iMacs & PBs at WWDC
...new iBooks at MWParis
...oh, one more thing!
Also announced at NAB are new XServe Duallies (Dual, Dual-core CPUs) with additional chips (CELL or other) that speed graphics/rendering-- specifically h264 encoding/decoding.
w_parietti22 said:Thanks for the complment!
lol. jk.
basically its about the PM and the eMac... most of the iMac stuff (or least for me was kinda expected)
Most people are mad becuase the PM will most likely not reach 3ghz, only 2.7... but that makes me confused
Well if all you use it Photo shop to mess with personal photos and 'web size stuff' then thats' all you'd need. The power mac is really a Pro computer and if apple specializes more in that direction that that's great. The imac is a sweet machine and if i wasn't doing 3D, video composting yadda yadda i'd get one...er, have one by now. In the world of high high end graphics, you can never be fast enough, and for those of you that don't understand this let me just illustrate a quick example.
You're have an animation set up in say, lightwave. Typically the nicer the render and the more going on the longer it takes to render. Say it takes...5min for a frame..no biggie you say? well if your animation is about 2000 frames (kinda large but completely realistic for many jobs), then you have a week you have to wait for it to render. If you get a machine that renders that frame in 4 min, then that is a day and a half cut off of yoru render time. Carry that over a year adn that's almost 2 months of extra work. Time is money in the industry and a machine can never be fast enough.
Real time feedback, which deals a lot with GPU is not quite as drastic but still applies.
broken_keyboard said:
Have you ever watched this movie?
http://www.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/mhz_myth_320f.mov
It explans that "Megahertz Myth"
Very Interesting.
crpchristian said:
If you need power to create graphics/content couldn't this be done, better, another way.
I really don't know, and I am curious!
Couldn't you use a server farm with XSAN and XGrid to deploy/share the workload over multiple processors?
Something like: http://www.apple.com/uk/pro/video/tvn/ (the content creation side).
Wouldn't this approach be more cost-effective and give better performance?
If so, the PMs would just act as clients to start/stop/monitor the (actual) work being done on the servers.
It appears that the example you give (rendering multiple frames) could easily benefit from being spread across multiple systems, ala XGrid.
If true, wouldn't the need (and market) for high-end PMs be limited to a small number of small shops?
In the Apple call to report 2Q earnings, Apple was very conservative in the outlook for k-12 sales (the main market for the eMac). They said that many school districts were having trouble getting money for new purchases.Zigster said:
Also, I have heard that the prices of flat-panel displays are dropping fast-- soon it may be cheaper (purchase, operate. replace/repair) to use entry iMacs instead.
Hardmac
There's an interesting observation over on hardmac.com:
http://hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2005-04-16
It appears that several large Apple distributors have a fairly large inventory of dual G5 PMs in stock, which is unusual if an update is imminent. Of course, we all know that even if new PMs are announced soon, you won't actually be able to get one for 2 months, so maybe this extra stock isn't that significant. :0
There's an interesting observation over on hardmac.com:
http://hardmac.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2005-04-16
It appears that several large Apple distributors have a fairly large inventory of dual G5 PMs in stock, which is unusual if an update is imminent. Of course, we all know that even if new PMs are announced soon, you won't actually be able to get one for 2 months, so maybe this extra stock isn't that significant. :0
dicklacara said:
Yes..for some. But that still applies to larger more corporate facilities. I am an independent productionist. I work on a very 'intimate' scale. I don't do say, 10 jobs a month but i don't need to becuase i more or less work alone and contract out help (mostly just for production, not post or pre production) as needed. This is more common for people who do, say, music videos, commercials, smaller more flashy corporate stuff. I don't need 50TB of storage space nor do i have the revenue.
i.e. Flame by discreet is better but not really so much different than their program Combustion at the purely software/interface level. Flame however comes with its own (completely impressive) hardware arrangement as acompletely self contained/sustained unit. Combustion it just software made to run on a desktop/workstation. Flame is over $260,000 combustion is $1000. That is a bit $$ gap and with the speed of high end PCs/PM's now its possible to do really high end video work on that small of an equipment scale...so PM performance is HUGELY important so someone in my postition..how many others are like that? i'm not sure
crpchristian said:
Thanks, I understand that!
Could you, as an indie, benefit by spreading your rendering over several inexpensive computers, say 2-4 minis (or anything you have handy), using XGrid? If so, would that be a viable alternative to Combustion.
I don't know if Apple's current software allows you to take advantage of an inexpensive (or any) XGrid, but maybe that could be a feature of Apple's new software.
Again. I don't pretend to know if this world be beneficial (or even possible).
But, to an outsider, your example of repetitive calculations to render many frames, sounds like a natural for grid computing.
And, if it is, it sounds like Apple could address the small and large shops, alike, by modifying their apps to take advantage of XGrid.
Look at the thinksecret forums
There are some cool postings over there that I think are wishful thinking, but I would love to see them come true.
There are some cool postings over there that I think are wishful thinking, but I would love to see them come true.