PowerMac G5, iMac G5, eMac Specs

[MarkCollette]

You obviously forgot the smileys on that post


In fact, you don't even need a heatsink on a P4 - it will monitor its own temperature and throttle back to stay cool.

Here's a photo of Intel and AMD chips after they've been run without a heat sink: http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/20010917/heatvideo-01.html

That AMD deficiency was years ago, and has since been fixed. Continuing to refer to it is just spreading FUD.

 

[dicklacara]

An iTunes Movie Store is something I'd be interested in. But not TV and not streaming. They would have to be movie files, not movie streams.

The technology is pretty much here today (with Tiger & h264) for an iTunes Movie store.

You should be able to Download a movie, on demand, in a acceptable amount of time, in the background, while doing other things on the computer.

You should have the option to view it once; several times for, say, a week; or buy it and burn to DVD. Kind of a super fast NetFlix.

Decoding (playing) h264 requires a bit of CPU/GPU power. But there are chips available (or soon to be) that will assist in this. This might be a good use for the CELL chip.

With enough bandwidth and CPU/GPU/h264 decoder power you may also have the ability to start the download, wait several minutes, and then begin watching the movie (staying ahead of the download).

This gives the sense of watching: video on demand, streamed video or live TV... except it is of HD quality and is scalable to full screen.

And, you will have many of the features of DVDs or TiVo-- pause, replay, skip, etc.

And, some of the "Movie" DVDs that you will be able to download might actually be compilations of TV shows (Roots, Taxi, Civil War, etc.).

Finally, the providers of SDTV and HDTV (cable, satellite, telcos) may decide to use h264 to encode their signals.

The distinction between downloading, live TV, and streaming begins to blur (pun intended).

 

[Devie]

The technology is pretty much here today (with Tiger & h264) for an iTunes Movie store.

You should be able to Download a movie, on demand, in a acceptable amount of time, in the background, while doing other things on the computer.

You should have the option to view it once; several times for, say, a week; or buy it and burn to DVD. Kind of a super fast NetFlix.

Decoding (playing) h264 requires a bit of CPU/GPU power. But there are chips available (or soon to be) that will assist in this. This might be a good use for the CELL chip.

With enough bandwidth and CPU/GPU/h264 decoder power you may also have the ability to start the download, wait several minutes, and then begin watching the movie (staying ahead of the download).

This gives the sense of watching: video on demand, streamed video or live TV... except it is of HD quality and is scalable to full screen.

And, you will have many of the features of DVDs or TiVo-- pause, replay, skip, etc.

And, some of the "Movie" DVDs that you will be able to download might actually be compilations of TV shows (Roots, Taxi, Civil War, etc.).

Finally, the providers of SDTV and HDTV (cable, satellite, telcos) may decide to use h264 to encode their signals.

The distinction between downloading, live TV, and streaming begins to blur (pun intended).

What is the current standard DVD movie size? About 6GB? And you think HD will be in it to... that will bring it further.
Internet is just not fast enough yet. Especially around the world.

 

[Rootman]

What is the current standard DVD movie size? About 6GB? And you think HD will be in it to... that will bring it further.
Internet is just not fast enough yet. Especially around the world.

That's why there's h264.

 

[dicklacara]

SOT: but not really this is the stuff that's coming

Here is a very interesting site of what the future holds for us:

http://www.nttdocomo.com/corebiz/icw/index.html

Take the link on the right:

Visit the Flash version to see how these services are used through out the city of Tokyo

It may open your eyes... did mine!

 

[AidenShaw]

sorry, didn't mean to do that

That AMD deficiency was years ago, and has since been fixed. Continuing to refer to it is just spreading FUD.

I was just countering the FUD from the guy with the ludicrous claim that P4 chips burst into flames.

I didn't intend to spread FUD about AMD - it just happened that the eye-catching image showed AMD chips, otherwise AMD wouldn't have been mentioned.

 

[Cooknn]

What is the current standard DVD movie size? About 6GB? And you think HD will be in it to... that will bring it further.
Internet is just not fast enough yet. Especially around the world.

If MOSR is to be believed, the content delivery will be via satellite

 

[woodsie]

wow!...19 pages already.

love the new updates. got my eye on the dual 2ghz if they keep the price low and maybe room for a 23" screen

wonder if the high end models will have the liquid cooling thing...?

 

[woodsie]

also, can someone explain to this newb what is meant by dual core?

 

[AidenShaw]

it means dual CPU iMacs

also, can someone explain to this newb what is meant by dual core?

It's two CPUs in one chip (one socket).

A dual CPU system could be an iMac or a 'book, since the one socket can support two complete systems. A PM, with two sockets, could be quad CPU.

It will mean that every system can be dual CPU....

Currently dual-core is on very high end server chips, but both AMD and Intel will be introducing dual CPU (dual core) desktop chips this month. Dual CPU (dual core) laptop chips are on Intel's roadmap in the 6 month or so timeframe. Many rumours of a dual-core PPC970 exist, but no real public commitment exists (probably due to Apple's penchant for anal-retentive secrecy about future plans).

Moore's law refers to the increase in the number of transistors on a chip - not the GHz of the chip. Since GHz is hitting its limit with the current technology - an obvious solution is to use all the "extra" transistors to put dual cores (dual CPU SMP) on a single chip.

Dual-core should not be confused with SMT (Simultaneous Multi-Threading, aka "HyperThreading"). SMT creates two logical CPUs which share the resources of a single physical ("real") CPU.

Dual core is two real, complete CPUs - in a cheaper, more compact package.

 

[aafuss1]

"upcoming weekend - Friday, Saturday, Sunday - updates: reader mail (send in yours now!), new PowerMac and iMac recon (don't believe everything you've heard this week)..."

I know that their track record is far less than stellar, but the optimist in me is going to probably side with MOSR on these rumors.

Who gets it right this time: Think Secret or Mac OS Rumors?

We'll all know soon enough.


*For other interesting MOSR rumors, check out these links:

http://www.macosrumors.com/20050317.php
http://www.macosrumors.com/20050324.php (for video card rumors/OpenGL)
http://www.macosrumors.com/20050330.php (upcoming desktops)

I'll be interested in what MOSR has to say about the upcoming Powermac, iMac and eMac upgrades (their information may be different from TS). I wonder when we'll have new info about iBook upgrades as well.

 

[Anarchy99]

here's my guess on the whole powermac specs thing right now they have four models thinksecret has announced three i think they wont announce a new line with three but jobs will surprise everyone with a 3.0 at wwdc
and another thing that helps me believe this is cause the single powermac they have was added in-between line ups so why not do it again

 

[drewyboy]

I was just countering the FUD from the guy with the ludicrous claim that P4 chips burst into flames.

I didn't intend to spread FUD about AMD - it just happened that the eye-catching image showed AMD chips, otherwise AMD wouldn't have been mentioned.

Hmm... someone thinks they know all but know very little, or at least willing to acknowledge that it could happen. Read this article about the pulled 4ghz. And it starting on fire.. not so unbelievable.

 

[quagmire]

I am not going to try to catch up with the 14 pages I missed. I was just seeing what would be the shipping times of the current Pmacs. I was building my next computer and noticed, " Hey! Where is the 9800 XT option?" Even though I was getting the 9600 XT anyway. So could the disappearance of the 9800 XT mean a nice X800 XT to replace it at the $400 card in the next rev of Pmacs? I mean, the 6800 Ultra goes for $600 seperately and $500 with Pmac. The X800 XT goes for $500 from ATI, so I am guessing the X800 would get the same $100 discount with the Pmacs. FYI, the shipping time for BTO was 2-4 days.

 

[aswitcher]

I'll be interested in what MOSR has to say about the upcoming Powermac, iMac and eMac upgrades (their information may be different from TS). I wonder when we'll have new info about iBook upgrades as well.

My guess is that the current hardware announcement will be all about G5s - eMac as well... the ibooks will not come out until a bit after.

 

[Hiroshige]

I believe this rumor is wrong

The Dark Side has clouded ThinkSecret's ability to foresee.

 

[broken_keyboard]

The Dark Side has clouded ThinkSecret's ability to foresee.

Well, the Dark Side clouds everything. Do you have any other reason to believe they are wrong?

 

[ziwi]

It really does seem like it would be too much all at once considering all of the new Apps and upgraded Apps. I for one would welcome it and they are due. One wonders if Steve can go back to WWDC 2 years later, 1 year with dried egg on face after not having a 3GHZ PM. We will see - I would love this to be true and everything be MP's...

 

[Rootman]

But more importantly, a decent GPU is more important? What 9650? There is no such GPU as a 9650, or it is a crippled 9600.)

The 9650 is the vacuum tube version of the ATI 9600. It is based on the GPU from the Marantz "Cinevista Three Hundred" 25-inch color TV that debuted in 1962. It doesn't actually support core image ripple effects, but you can't tell anyway.

 

[Dan1976]

Old technology

Yes, I think a lot of the equipment and price comparisons you see people give are for systems that come from "mom & pop" shops or relatively small specialty houses or small companies that can assemble systems with off-the-shelf components and who operate at very low margins. However, as for cost overhead, they don't have to offer retirement or medical plans for their workers, they don't have large sales and marketing departments, they don't have any real engineering infrastructure at all, and lastly they don't have a large group of mid and high level managers who are making $100k and higher to keep that whole multi-billion dollar "ball" rolling.

I'm sorry but I don't agree with the above. Economies of scale enable larger companies to produce the same product cheaper. Sales and marketing departments shouldn't be overheads! and I certainly wouldn't pay more for a Mac just so some igh level manager can get a big salary.

While I agree with most of your comments, memory, graphics card and hard drive capacity could be upgraded if needed (to reduce base spec cost). The bare bones of the new machines should be bang uptodate. Nothing less than DDR2 and PCIe!!

 

[cube]

Except that those are PCI-Express...

So what?

 

[ManchesterTrix]

So what?

Well they'd be too expensive to put in the cube to begin with, and being PCIe just adds more to the overall cost.

 

[FlyNolJ]

PowerMacs

So when are these new machines going to debut? Today...Tomorrow...or Monday?

 

[AidenShaw]

still not believing

Hmm... someone thinks they know all but know very little, or at least willing to acknowledge that it could happen. Read this article about the pulled 4ghz. And it starting on fire.. not so unbelievable.

Where was any mention of "flames" in any of those links? I couldn't find any.

Your "unbelievable" link was to a story which said the P4 could consume up to 120 watts. Do you consider that to be proof that they have "burst into flames"?

The POWER5 chips consume 160 watts - does that mean that IBM servers are also fire hazards?

Show me the story of a fire starting from the silicon wafer on a P4 4 GHz, and I will loudly shout I WAS WRONG! - but until I see the story I'll believe that the whole thing is a fabrication.

Also note that my comment wasn't about the "possibility" of a fire. The original claim in post #385 was that:

"the p4 4ghz was pulled from production once it had been realized that after running while the chips burst into flames and started a couple computers on fire."

That claims that production was halted because of multiple cases of computers bursting into flames. That is fantasy!

 

[cube]

Well they'd be too expensive to put in the cube to begin with, and being PCIe just adds more to the overall cost.

He asked for high-end, not cheap chips.

Regarding PCIe being significantly more expensive, I'd like to see the price list.