PowerMac G5 Update?

[TednDi]

What about....

If Apple did release such models BUT included as an option the QUAD at those speeds??? You could then add the 3rd and 4th processors later under the same case.

again just a thought...

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[365]

If they are going to release new machines this week, then these specs make sense to me. Steve Jobs is never going to get on stage at WWDC and announce these 'upgrades' because people would heckle him off the stage.

 

[brykken]

More importantly the ThinkSecret rumor that this thread is about says the updates are not going to happen today.

A source said that the company's plans called for an announcement of the long-awaited G5 refresh on Tuesday, June 8, but stressed that announcement dates for speed bumps could easily be shifted to a later date in the week; other indicators suggested that may indeed be the case.

That doesn't look like a "not" to me. It's a "I'm not sure!"

 

[stingerman]

So according to ThinkSecret's revised article:

1.6 x1 Ghz -> 1.8 x1 Ghz [speed goes from 1.6 Ghz to 1.8 Ghz]
1.8 x2 Ghz -> 1.8 x2 Ghz [speed remains the same]
2.0 x2 Ghz -> 2.0 x2 Ghz [speed remains the same]
2.0 x2 Ghz -> 2.5 x2 Ghz [speed goes from 2.0 Ghz to 2.5 Ghz]

Does this make any sense? They also say Apple will sell the current 1.6, 1.8 and 2.0 models at a discount along side the new PowerMacs. Uh-huh. That's not the least bit confusing.

It makes sense to me. It is their iPod approach. Update the high-end model and move the other models down a notch while eliminating the low end. This way three months from now we get another high-end and the 2.6 becomes the middle model, 2 becomes the bottom. Three months from then, we get another high-end update. I would definitely prefer this type of rollout schedule to the old one.

I think Apple is changing their release schedules to be more competitive, instead of allowing a line to go stale. So what they release in June should not be judged by the old release cycle since it may be followed by another high-end model in a few months that will then cycle through the lower tiers.

 

[amols]

This is about time now. AMD has already reached 2.6 Ghz with their 64FX-55. And 3Ghz seems impossible now. May be we'll have to wait a little longer...Jan-05 may be . We can't expect too much from Apple just because they give us too much.

 

[Iroganai]

I think Cupertino intentionally leaked to AppleInsider etc. a wrong info.
After hearing this stupid rumor, we'll be somewhat relieved by the
announcement of 2.0/2.4/2.6GHz PMs at WWDC

Without this rumor, we rumormongers get really mad
when Steve suddenly reveals he couldn't made 3GHz,
he only attained 2.6GHz...

 

[broken_keyboard]

I hope they fix the squeaky power supplies...

 

[rareflares]

well if the store doesn't go down with the next hour we can finally say for 100% that there will be no updates today.


typically the stores goes down about 30-45 minutes before the unveiling of the upgrades. And if we are for some reason waiting for 12:00 EST, that would be 11:30 EST about 45 minutes from now.


wow, this is getting ridiculous....

 

[Veldek]

This lineup is horrible. Of course, they could only leave out the low model and just add a new high end model, but not after 1 year! I, and many others, wanted to buy the middle model. What’s it now? A dual 2GHz? That’s crap, because it was here one year ago and will still cost a whole lot of money. This lineup is nothing more than making the actual lineup cheaper. Adding the 2.5 GHz i just not enough in my opinion.

Okay, rant over. Sorry, all.

 

[el_aarono]

speaking of whining

Ok, here comes the obligatory but all the rumor sites originally said 2.6GHz. That's right. Start whining that you now need that 100MHz.

Man, I'm getting tired of all these folks whining about other folks whining. Oops, I guess I'm getting tired of myself as well....

Deputy_doofy does have it right though- there isn't much difference between 2.5 and 2.6 ghz. But there is a significant difference between 2.5/6 and 3.0 ghz.

-A.

 

[pjkelnhofer]

Rumor sites = load_of_crap

No one saw the AirTunes update.

First off, if you think Rumor sites are a "load_of_crap", why are you reading one? Secondly, if you read the thread about interactive displays you would see some one did predict it.

This source predicted "new airport base stations" with Audio/Video outputs. The new base station was said to be about the size of an iPod and cost around $99.

Admittedly, it was not 100% correct, but that is usually how it goes (people were similarly close with the iPod mini just before MWSF).

I believe that ThinkSecret is the most consistently correct of the Apple rumor sites, so tend to believe that they are at least very close on this one. They may have the exact specifics wrong, but I would guess the lineup is going to be pretty close.

 

[Phinius]

Limited supply of 970FX chips

Looks like IBM has been unable to eliminate the chip yield problems moving to a 90-nm process. If there is only one PowerMac model above 2GHz, then that would strongly suggest that the 2Ghz and under speeds are still the older 130-nm 970 chips. The continuing backorder on the Xserve reinforces that idea.

 

[dizastor]

suspense... killing me...

release the underwhelming powermacs already so everyone can complain about something that actually exists.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

So according to ThinkSecret's revised article:

1.6 x1 Ghz -> 1.8 x1 Ghz [speed goes from 1.6 Ghz to 1.8 Ghz]
1.8 x2 Ghz -> 1.8 x2 Ghz [speed remains the same]
2.0 x2 Ghz -> 2.0 x2 Ghz [speed remains the same]
2.0 x2 Ghz -> 2.5 x2 Ghz [speed goes from 2.0 Ghz to 2.5 Ghz]

Does this make any sense?

For me the huge gap between 2.0 and 2.5 doesn't make ANY sense. As well as the crapy NVidia GeForce FX 5200 graphics card that doesn't make any sense to me. It simply doesn't fit to a PowerMac.

 

[dho]

Wait til wwdc

Would it make any sense for them to introduce lower end(2.5) lower priced powermacs tomorow and then add faster(3.0) normal priced ones at wwdc?

Sure it hasnt been done before but really. By doing that they could convince people they wont make it to 3.0. Some people lingering would buy. The others who said they would only buy at 3ghz wait a few weeks and buy the normal priced powermacs.

I dont pretend to have an experience in this kinda thing, but it makes sense to me.

 

[vknid]

2.2 GHz Low end

I for one was really hoping for a dual 2.2 GHz low end at the current price of $1799 ($1599 with education discount). Now that would be a SWEET machine for the money! A single 1.8 GHz just does not appeal to me, and it's been over four and a half years since my last upgrade.

 

[CmdrLaForge]

Looks like IBM has been unable to eliminate the chip yield problems moving to a 90-nm process. If there is only one PowerMac model above 2GHz, then that would strongly suggest that the 2Ghz and under speeds are still the older 130-nm 970 chips. The continuing backorder on the Xserve reinforces that idea.

And that makes sense. That could be the reason why they have that very very strange setup.

 

[eric67]

simple

Not yesterday. Apple has been changing their release schedule. And it is clear now that they are not going to wait on conferences to make major releases. Thank goodness. Release them when they are ready. Apple is learning a lot from their iPod experience.

Because yesterday Steve was announcing the product during an interview...
this is marketing my friend

 

[rareflares]

Would it make any sense for them to introduce lower end(2.5) lower priced powermacs tomorow and then add faster(3.0) normal priced ones at wwdc?

Sure it hasnt been done before but really. By doing that they could convince people they wont make it to 3.0. Some people lingering would buy. The others who said they would only buy at 3ghz wait a few weeks and buy the normal priced powermacs.

I dont pretend to have an experience in this kinda thing, but it makes sense to me.

no, that's a retailer nightmare waiting to happen. first the resellers get tons of orders for 2.6 Ghz so they order such and such amount from Apple, then 3 weeks later 3.0 Ghz arrives, customers cancel their 2.6 orders for the 3.0's. Now the retailers have a surplus of 2.6's and a shortage of 3.0's.

It doesn't help anyone other than the .000000005% of the Mac world that pays attention to these idiotic rumors (3.0 Ghz or bust! )

 

[nagromme]

I won't speculate on the specifics--SOME new G5s seem imminent.

But what's with people demanding that a single CPU NOT even be an option? If you don't want a single, don't buy it, but a single will always be cheaper than a dual, so why not let the PowerMac have a lower entry point if some people want that? Price it fairly, but don't kill the option.

 

[rareflares]

I won't speculate on the specifics--SOME new G5s seem imminent.

But what's with people demanding that a single CPU NOT even be an option? If you don't want a single, don't buy it, but a single will always be cheaper than a dual, so why not let the PowerMac have a lower entry point if some people want that? Price it fairly, but don't kill the option.

i agree, but most people are saying all dual PM because they are expecting iMacs to go G5 at WWDC. and if they go G5, they would HAVE to be single processors.

so single G5 iMacs
dual G5 PM

IMO, that's a pretty good strategy.

 

[mchendricks]

Can't have an nvidia 5200

I don’t think the rumors about using the nvidia 5200 are true. Why would Apple create Motion, then release a PRO machine that couldn’t run it? There has to be AT least a 9600 to use Motion. Apple is making solutions for video pros, not problems.

 

[ffakr]

Looks like IBM has been unable to eliminate the chip yield problems moving to a 90-nm process. If there is only one PowerMac model above 2GHz, then that would strongly suggest that the 2Ghz and under speeds are still the older 130-nm 970 chips. The continuing backorder on the Xserve reinforces that idea.

IBM announced about a month ago that they worked out the .09 micron process issues...
http://www.arnnet.com.au/index.php?id=116634298

The xServes are low volume computers. It is entirely possible that the demand for the xServe is high (I know a lot of people who were waiting for the xServe to go G5, like ME). A surge in demand for a system whose production line is designed with the expectation of low volumes can easily back up orders. In fact, my colleague did receive a shipment of 19 G5 xserves over a week ago. They are shipping.

 

[NightBird]

Why do i think...

Why do i get this feeling that 1.6 and 1.8 are for g5 imac.... and a 2.5 maybe a 20 inch g5 imac. I was going to buy rev b power mac but if this rumors are true, I may wait again.

 

[titaniumducky]

Oh wait, they don't. Still... don't forget to blame Apple for IBM's low G5 yields and GHz.

And don't forget to suggest that IBM's challenges are permanent, will never go away, that IBM will never compete with Intel, and Apple needs to go x86

Fun having lots of more-likely rumors this week, even if they only come a day ahead

Umm...

Intel just publicly admitted to hitting a brickwall with processors. The only thing they can think of is to go backwards and then see if they can progress forward better this time (killing off P4 as far as development goes).