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PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?

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Fps and simulaters, ut2003,ut2004 Doom3 when it comes Halo Nascar etc. I know gaming is only for the Pc crowd. I was looking at a alienware notebook and it was getting 70+ frames running ut2003 at 1024x 768. then i thought my god my G4 1.47 & geforce3 is only getting like 31 at 800x 600 so a pc notebook blows away my desktop mac. Also looked at MacAddict Magazine and Pc's were smoking the dual G5 in everything but 1 old game quake 3. everything else wasnt even close. All those other benches put the PC even with the dual G5. Notice those fastest computer commercials are gone from Apple? It was a another Lie.
Nice picture of the 20" Imac but one problem, all they did is slap a big monitor on a still stale G4 that was handicap by removing L3(cant have that because other stuff has it). Apple stagnation is starting to get to me.
 
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FatSweatyChimp said:
Anyone else see the irony here? :D




Apple are getting just as bad with patches and updates now. 70mb for 10.3.3?? The last one was hefty too. Or don't these count?

Is there nothing Apple could do that you won't apologize for? :rolleyes:
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...apple usually releases a patch or fix BEFORE anything catastrophic happens, which cannot be said for Microsoft, who does it after the fact.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
Fps and simulaters, ut2003,ut2004 Doom3 when it comes Halo Nascar etc. I know gaming is only for the Pc crowd. I was looking at a alienware notebook and it was getting 70+ frames running ut2003 at 1024x 768. then i thought my god my G4 1.47 & geforce3 is only getting like 31 at 800x 600 so a pc notebook blows away my desktop mac. Also looked at MacAddict Magazine and Pc's were smoking the dual G5 in everything but 1 old game quake 3. everything else wasnt even close. All those other benches put the PC even with the dual G5. Notice those fastest computer commercials are gone from Apple? It was a another Lie.
Nice picture of the 20" Imac but one problem, all they did is slap a big monitor on a still stale G4 that was handicap by removing L3(cant have that because other stuff has it). Apple stagnation is starting to get to me.
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Maybe you should get a PC, at least for gaming. I don't play 3D shooters, and for that matter don't have very many games right now for my Mac. It seems to me that a PC is in fact the best choice for you. That being the case, I'd suggest you do some research before making a purchase. PC configurations are much more variable than Macs; thus the price also varies quite a bit. You won't get Apple's iLife or other Mac-only software when you go PC, but if you don't use most of it anyway, it's the best thing for you to do.
 
sedarby said:
Has Apple in all of history EVER allowed the iMac to outclass the Powerbook? I don't believe you will see a G5 in an iMac until it has been released in a PowerBook first. They may break tradition but why would they?
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Actually, I am quite sure that when the Flat Panel iMac first came out, it was faster than any of the availible PB at the time. Also, the original iMac was close to if not the same processor as the PB of it's day.

The iMacs have been around for only five years. That is less than half as long as the PB and one fourth of the Mac's lifetime. There isn't really that much tradition on which to base upgrade cycles. It is really only recently (the last year or so) that the iMac has fallen behind the PB.
 
I really have been a Mac supporter but I think a Pc for Gaming is the way to go. Only thing will be is if I get a Pc then i will switch everything to Pc music and photos and business. Im not going to spend 2 grand on a new Pc and still use a Mac just like I dont want to spend 2 grand on a Mac and not be able to game. Mac Hardware is killing its great software. Who knows maybe they will start selling ilife for windows. :) this waiting for decent hardware has gotten so old. thanks for the replys.
 
csimmons said:
...apple usually releases a patch or fix BEFORE anything catastrophic happens, which cannot be said for Microsoft, who does it after the fact.
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I never said Microsoft were perfect but come on....another 70 mb?! Dial up people are going to love that.

And some recent Apple updates did more harm than good to some people (losing ethernet, firewire drives etc) so you can't say Apple are perfect.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
I really have been a Mac supporter but I think a Pc for Gaming is the way to go. Only thing will be is if I get a Pc then i will switch everything to Pc music and photos and business.
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Choose worms. Choose viruses. Choose spy-ware. Choose dialers. Choose butt-ugly hardware. Choose a clumsy OS with planet-sized security holes and a hideous GUI. Choose cheapness. Choose monoculture. Choose conformity. Choose trusted computing. Redmond will take good care of you.
 
the future said:
Choose worms. Choose viruses. Choose spy-ware. Choose dialers. Choose butt-ugly hardware. Choose a clumsy OS with planet-sized security holes and a hideous GUI. Choose cheapness. Choose monoculture. Choose conformity. Choose trusted computing. Redmond will take good care of you.
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Lets not be so hard, Alienware is cool looking as ever and will hook up to 7.1 surround sound so whats the best on Mac? so butt ugly is wrong and so is cheapness when they have machines that will smoke any Mac. The clumsy Os and the virus issues do have me concerned but stale ass hardware selling for twice what its worth has had me concerned on the mac side for years and have just about enough of it with lack of software and video cards and anything else. Mac has only 1 thing that is a Great Os. Hardware wise they still suck and im sick of it and Steve Jobs pushing his darn stale obsolete G4 machines. Alienware has had some very good reviews and even Mac world had to admit the dual G5 wasnt the fastest. see Decembers issue.
 
Dont Hurt Me said:
A Imac G5 with at least a 9600 in it would be good but I just cant wait another year for Apple to get off its G4 ars and make one. Where are the rumors of a new Imac? or is Apple just interested in Pods? :mad:
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If you want to see a rumor of a new iMac G5. Apple Insider posted one yesterday, stating that the development stages of the computer are over and prototypes are already circulating at 1.6 GHz.

Happy? :p
 
You all act as if Apple has direct control over what ghz chip gets released whenever and that Apple is completely happy and smug about releasing it.

Must it be pointed out that IBM is making the chips? You all act as if Steve is on the phone with IBM saying
"Honestly, we don't want you in production 3.5 ghz chips right now, we are sticking to 3ghz at summer. actually, want to send us a batch of 2.4ghz chips for the helluv it?"

When it comes to chip speed, it is up to IBM to stay competative with Intel and AMD, not Apple. And the only way for Apple to actually have the fastest chip, is to USE the fastest chip. Do you really want to see an AMD chip in your next PM?

I'm still inclined to think two things:
A: Apple will do everything they can to stay competitive, they aren't out to spite us.
B: They have people that, while prone to mistakes as all humans are, are a helluva lot smarter than 99.99% of us, and probably 100% smarter than the whiners on this board.

We have been talking about and expecting a 3ghz PM by summers end, correct? And we have all talked about an update in between, right? so what **** did you think they would release? a 2.9ghz machine? For peats sake, get a grip on reality.

Tyler - who would love a 2.4ghz PM, but wouldn't be able to use it to its full potential for many years.
 
Bad Time for Apple

This is a very sad time for Apple Computer. This is the only time that I can remember where their ENTIRE consumer line is in need of a major update.
 
MacRAND said:
YES it was pulled, (arn is my witness) and now it is BACK.
The translation is in Post #181 above. ¿Comprende, compadre?
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You're a piece of work. First, the article was never pulled. As Arn pointed out, there seemed to be a dns problem with some ISPs. Second, a person that knows French fairly well translated the article and posted a number of pages back in this thread. I guess you don't bother with that silly reading part :)
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
Hey DHM, Isn't Apple alreadyWhat kind of games do you play that a G4 would be too slow for? I play realMYST; it plays smoothly on my (G4) 17" iMac even at maximum resolution, color depth, and detail (my iMac has an nVidia FX 5200 Ultra with 64 MB of video RAM). Sadly, I don't have any other games that tax a 3D graphics card as much (or little) as realMYST does. Before I got the iMac, I had a PowerBook 667 whose video card had only 16 MB of VRAM. Ouch, was realMYST slow and jerky on that hardware.
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My sister doesn't play games on her 17" iMac 800. She's a lawyer and just plays with pictures, email and a little video. She's told me numerous times that her iMac isn't fast enough and it's response is a let down. Two things I'm pushing her to do.

1. Upgrade to Panther. I hope it makes a difference.
2. Install System Optimizer X. It's made a difference for me.

She just ordered the new iLife and is hoping it makes a difference with her iApps. She's been disapponited. She loses her network address and some other minor issues. I'm afraid when it's time for an upgrade she may go back to intel.

Though it's not directly related to my above post. Don't Hurt Me made a very good point. Apple plays too many games within it's product line. They should put the best equipment they can into all their product lines. Put a 2 Ghz G5 in an iMac. If you can't, redesign it so you can. Let the best products rule.
 
invaLPsion said:
This is a very sad time for Apple Computer. This is the only time that I can remember where their ENTIRE consumer line is in need of a major update.
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That is pretty sad, but as no one will admit, powerbooks are the saddest. Sure PM's are a little behind, but pbooks are WAY behind.I wish they skip the pmac update and give the new g5 powerbook a shot.
 
pgwalsh said:
My sister doesn't play games on her 17" iMac 800. She's a lawyer and just plays with pictures, email and a little video. She's told me numerous times that her iMac isn't fast enough and it's response is a let down. Two things I'm pushing her to do.

1. Upgrade to Panther. I hope it makes a difference.
2. Install System Optimizer X. It's made a difference for me.

She just ordered the new iLife and is hoping it makes a difference with her iApps. She's been disapponited. She loses her network address and some other minor issues. I'm afraid when it's time for an upgrade she may go back to intel.

Though it's not directly related to my above post. Don't Hurt Me made a very good point. Apple plays too many games within it's product line. They should put the best equipment they can into all their product lines. Put a 2 Ghz G5 in an iMac. If you can't, redesign it so you can. Let the best products rule.
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Hmm... Why does my 1.25 GHz 17" iMac seem so fast and her 800 MHz 17" iMac seem so slow??? Perhaps the 425 MHz difference in CPU speed is to blame; also, a video card with a low amount of VRAM (less than 32 MB) will slow down Mac OS X considerably (it's particularly bad if your video card has 8 MB or less of video RAM, because in that case Quartz Extreme is turned off). I don't think Apple has the necessary supply of processors from IBM to release a G5 iMac right now, even if they wanted to update it today. Apple wants to separate their professional products from their consumer products; I believe this is the reason we haven't seen more PowerPC G5-powered products yet. Is this separation what pgwalsh and Don't Hurt Me see as Apple's games with their product lines?
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
Hmm... Why does my 1.25 GHz 17" iMac seem so fast and her 800 MHz 17" iMac seem so slow??? Perhaps the 425 MHz difference in CPU speed is to blame; also, a video card with a low amount of VRAM (less than 32 MB) will slow down Mac OS X considerably (it's particularly bad if your video card has 8 MB or less of video RAM, because in that case Quartz Extreme is turned off). I don't think Apple has the necessary supply of processors from IBM to release a G5 iMac right now, even if they wanted to update it today. Apple wants to separate their professional products from their consumer products; I believe this is the reason we haven't seen more PowerPC G5-powered products yet. Is this separation what pgwalsh and Don't Hurt Me see as Apple's games with their product lines?
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I guess I was pointing out that my sister, an regular consumer, is disappointed wither he Apple purchase. There was faster hardware at the time, but it didn't make it into her computer. She bought the best iMac at the time, but the PowerMacs were faster.

Oh and she did get a ram upgrade and .Mac. etc etc. Just isn't happy after a couple years... It's too bad...

Yes it is the separation. The PowerMac have duals and they can be expanded. That's why I'd buy one. iMacs don't have duals and can't be expanded, except for ram.
 
sedarby said:
Has Apple in all of history EVER allowed the iMac to outclass the Powerbook? I don't believe you will see a G5 in an iMac until it has been released in a PowerBook first. They may break tradition but why would they?
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Because iMac sales are in the tank, and won't get better until they get G5s. No doubt Apple would prefer to introduce G5 iMacs and PBs simultaneously, but if they can't, it would be idiotic to keep a G4 in the iMac any longer than necessary.
 
3.1416 said:
Because iMac sales are in the tank, and won't get better until they get G5s. No doubt Apple would prefer to introduce G5 iMacs and PBs simultaneously, but if they can't, it would be idiotic to keep a G4 in the iMac any longer than necessary.
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Yep, although the new form factor could be holding things up. Apple seem to have problems getting things out with the recent X-serve heat problem. Now the iPod hotcake minis are drying up, and they haven't even hit the foreign markets yet. Well at least we have these boards to commiserate ;) :p
 
centauratlas said:
What he said was two things at two times (June 23, and Sept 16, 2003):
"We've committed before the end of next summer" to get the Power Mac G5 to 3GHz. That was September 16, 2003, see links below. June 23, 2003, he said (https://www.macrumors.com/wwdc2003.html) it would be at "3ghz within 12 months." I was never clear if he meant 12 months from then or 12 months from release. Given his Sept 2003 statements, I think it meant from release (or they just realized by Sept 2003 that late June/early July 2004 would be too soon and revised his meaning).


Sept 16 links: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/2003/09/16/liveupdate/index.php?redirect=1078732421000
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http://www.macminute.com/2003/09/16/appleexpo2
and:
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/main_news.cfm?NewsID=6904
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Just for note: The "end of next summer" is officially September 20 or September 21, 2004. (summer begins June, ends September)

Therefore, a September 2004 release for 3.0 GHz Mac is right in line with all previous comments.
 
Why 2.2 and 2.4?

What's the purpose of releasing two identical machines, except for 200 MHz per processor? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a low-end PM, at dual 1.8, 512, 120GB, and a dual 2.4, 1GB, 250GB, and dump the 2.2?
 
yakirz said:
What's the purpose of releasing two identical machines, except for 200 MHz per processor? Wouldn't it make more sense to have a low-end PM, at dual 1.8, 512, 120GB, and a dual 2.4, 1GB, 250GB, and dump the 2.2?
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It does seem a bit odd. I'm surprised about the 1.8, but I'm not taking it seriously. I'd imagine some hd specs and other things will be slightly different. The two top speeds seem about right, but that's about it.
 
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