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PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?

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iMac G5 is going to happen

wrldwzrd89 said:
...I don't think Apple has the necessary supply of processors from IBM to release a G5 iMac right now, even if they wanted to update it today. Apple wants to separate their professional products from their consumer products; I believe this is the reason we haven't seen more PowerPC G5-powered products yet. Is this separation what pgwalsh and Don't Hurt Me see as Apple's games with their product lines?
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I agree with everything except that iMacs won't get a G5 for a long time. When the supply of G5 chips permit, iMacs will become a bastion for the single chip, not likely to ever become a dualie in that half moon container.
It's going to need an exhaust pipe (chrome, or anodized SNOW white? ...just don't touch!) as it is, and maybe a turbo fan to blow out the hot exhaust. PowerMacs are all duals now, it makes sense to build the iMacs as the single chip Mac...wouldn't that 6° of separation be sufficiently defining?
 
I have been waiting for these updates for a month or so. This will be my first mac which will be devoted to doing all my harware intensive graphic projects. Editing, photshop, after effects etc. My windows machine just can't hang anymore. I'm sick of XP. I'll be really dissapointed if the Rev.B G5's only up the cpu to 2.4 mhz. In the top end machine I hope they at least include or as an option 8x superdirve, Radeon 9800 XT and faster memory than just 3200. Otherwise if it is just the speed bump and that's it. I dont think it is worth my money right now. I would rather wait until the 3.0ghz machines. But then I get into the whole waiting game for new technology which almost seems pointless.
 
DTG said:
If Apple can keep the low-end prices down by skimping on the RAM, then so be it!

A dual 1.8Ghz G5 for just $1799? - Yes please.
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No sig. savings at the consumer level, RAM is pretty cheap now for us average folks. Apple buys it by the truckload! To increase the base RAM to am min. of 512 might add $40.00 to $50.00 to the price of a mac for an upgrade most users are gonna make anyway just to make Mac OSX work properly.
 
electrolux said:
I dont think it is worth my money right now. I would rather wait until the 3.0ghz machines. But then I get into the whole waiting game for new technology which almost seems pointless.
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I'm hanging on for the DP 3Ghz machines. My way of seeing it is if your machine will do what you need till the next major revision then why not wait? As we all know depreciation on all comps, including Macs, is horrendous and I'm not in the job of boosting Apple's profits to keep up with the neighbours.

I have to say that Steve J kind of brought this on himself with the announcement of the 3G processor last year. Without that, who knows, I may have jumped by now. ;)
 
The Article was pulled for awhile, then it returned. How about that?

daveL said:
You're a piece of work.
First, the article was never pulled.
As Arn pointed out, there seemed to be a dns problem with some ISPs.
Second, a person that (sic) knows French fairly well translated the article and posted (sic) a number of pages back in this thread.
I guess you don't bother with that silly reading part :)
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A. Yep, I did miss that detailed French Translation on Page 4, Post #83 you are talking about, probably because it was neatly placed inside a "Quote" box instead of being a regualar post - good idea, but confusing. Better job than mine. Go to:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/741078/
 

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MacRAND-
Your screenshot proves nothing of the sort. If you look in the lower left corner, you can see a MySQL database error being returned by the page.

This could mean any number of things. Yes, it's possible it was temporarily pulled, but it's also possible there was simply a server hiccup on their end. The only person(s) capable of stating absolute "proof" in this matter is macplus.org.

Let's get back on-topic...
 
wrldwzrd89 said:
Hmm... Why does my 1.25 GHz 17" iMac seem so fast and her 800 MHz 17" iMac seem so slow??? Perhaps the 425 MHz difference in CPU speed is to blame; also, a video card with a low amount of VRAM (less than 32 MB) will slow down Mac OS X considerably (it's particularly bad if your video card has 8 MB or less of video RAM, because in that case Quartz Extreme is turned off). I don't think Apple has the necessary supply of processors from IBM to release a G5 iMac right now, even if they wanted to update it today. Apple wants to separate their professional products from their consumer products; I believe this is the reason we haven't seen more PowerPC G5-powered products yet. Is this separation what pgwalsh and Don't Hurt Me see as Apple's games with their product lines?
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You call it separation, I agree with calling it games. There is plenty to differentiate a G5 iMac from the PM line.

dual processors
RAM expandability
video card
Firewire 800
expansion slots

Make the best machine you can with current chips. This protecting other lines is head up your ass marketing.
 
Don't Hurt Me: haven't been on in a while and looks like you haven't either, but if you're looking for a gaming 'puter i say go with the alienware (like the other guy who recommended "the other side"). Of course, you can also buy the parts and put something together, and why bother with "ugly hardware" like someone said, just design a custom case like this one I saw where the "computer" was built as a life-size action babe (with guns!), or the "coffin" case mod (for computing in the afterlife) :D

Just from my own p.o.v., i'm using a REALLY old powermac for some music notation (not power intensive at all), a nearly-as-old laptop (pismo 400) for notation, general use (since it's mobile), and a newish "hot rod" PC for games (and a dual G4 in the studio for music, of course). As i've said before, just regard the PC in the same category as XBOX and PS2, plus it can also do your general stuff like music and movies as long as it's properly equipped. Not to mention it can deal with more media formats (all the ghetto ones) when it comes to video (I'm sure that'll start a whole new batch of flames).

So just quit complaining about Mac and jump ship already -- you'll be happy with the sudden (game) choices you have on the winblows side and the ease with which you can "try out" all the games you want before buying them (once you figure out mIRC), and just remember to always have very up-to-date antivirus and anti-spybot software on there, and put the whole thing behind a decent firewall (or just do what i do, use your old mac for anything requiring security, such as banking, which shouldn't rely on your vid. card too much ;))

Good luck!
 
I have a theory, you may or may not agree.

Apple as a whole (lead by SJ) has too much pride.
Pride in the sence they wont release a dual button mouse
Pride in the sence their marketing statagy is turning customers away
Pride in the sence They over price under performing computers and expect the consumer to pay.

and foolishness in the sence
that they won't put the best chips $ for $ in their machines.

Apple's loosing market share, and they need to do something about it.
 
Apple as a whole (lead by SJ) has too much pride.

Well he isn't LACKING pride if that is what I'd be saying by arguing that point.

Pride in the sence they wont release a dual button mouse

What % of Mac users go out and buy a new mouse compared to PC users that go out and buy a new mouse? If there were more mice "switchers" on the Mac side, I might agree with you. But most people in the market for a new mouse are in it for a 3, 4, or 5 button mouse and are power users, which is what probably most of us fit in to. Power users, or else just geeky nerds that like to control everything with one hand and our eyes closed ;)

My mom for instance could NEVER take advantage of a 2 button mouse on her Mac. While me and my Dad could, and we both have 4 button track balls. We would have gotten these mice if Apple had shipped us a 2 button or 1 button mouse.

Pride in the sence their marketing statagy is turning customers away

Since when have more people started leaving the way of the Apple as opposed to joining? I'd stake money on there being more Mac users today than EVER before.

Pride in the sence They over price under performing computers and expect the consumer to pay.

They have to stay in business, they are a business. They put what hardware they have in computer, and sell them at prices that make sense to them. They are THEIR computers, you aren't forced to buy them.

and foolishness in the sence
that they won't put the best chips $ for $ in their machines.

Right. We should all be running AMDs in our PowerMacs not these POS IBM chips. What was Apple thinking...

Apple's loosing market share, and they need to do something about it.

Even though I pointed all this stuff out in my previous post, I feel that some have missed it. Apple has some of the brightest people on earth working for them. People a lot smarter than say, you. You feel the need to complain about the fact that Macs aren't the fastest or cheapest computers on earth right now.This industry flip flops every year, sometimes by the month. The race isn't over.
But to some it up-
Get over it.

Tyler
Earendil
 
If PowerMac updates are not at least anounced (preferably immediatly available as well) on March 23rd, I will explode. It's that simple, I will explode. :mad:
 
Pulled or a hiccup?

Rower_CPU said:
MacRAND-
Your screenshot proves nothing of the sort.
If you look in the lower left corner, you can see a MySQL database error being returned by the page.
This could mean any number of things.
Yes, it's possible it was temporarily pulled,
but it's also possible there was simply a server hiccup on their end.
The only person(s) capable of stating absolute "proof" in this matter is macplus.org.
Let's get back on-topic...
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Now, let's not get into some conspiracy theory.

Rower_CPU
I combined what I repeatedly saw,
what arn saw and verified
("Pulled" or "server problem" on their end,
who knows -- who cares),
and then
Arn <chaosmint> said it was "pulled",
he said that was why I couldn't get the Article to come up.
I believed him. I relied on him and his expertise.
Happened for an hour or so.

You should appreciate the significance of this, for a long period of time
I sat at my computer clicking on each other link on the page,
and guess what?
ALL LINKS WORKED except the
Article "alleged to have been pulled" .
So, whether they inhibited or defeated the link from working, or
they pulled the Article so that the Link would not work,
makes no difference. The result and the appearance is the same.
And, it is supported statistically.

With that quality of proof we have here it qualifies as
Clear & Convincing proof, more likely than not.
Wouldn't you agree?

No Criminal Law burden of "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt" is required here.
What, are we requiring affidavits from French websites and their IT?
"Pulled or NOT Pulled, that is the question"

Indeed, once someone has carried the civil burden of proof,
the burden shifts to the other side (davidL) to
prove the Article had NOT been pulled?
or more importantly, that it was not "missing"
regardless of whether the French had intentionally pulled it or not.
That's irrelevant. The appearance was to me and to arn
was that it was clearly "pulled". That's all that is needed.

So, Rower_CPU if you will just ask davidL to carry the burden of proof that has now shifted to him, then I will be happy.
Or, an apology, whichever. Either would be reasonable.

Here's the record.

AIM IM with Arn <chaosmint>​
​

3/8/04, 3:14 PM

Aaron Scott "kiwitheiwik" in UK can get on easy,
there appears to be a "server" problem in the USA.
MacPlus.org is that it? :MacRAND​
3:15 PM
arn: I can get on, I'm in the US
In Arizona I cannot :MacRAND​
arn: prob your isp
ok :MacRAND​
NO, other's are reporting same problem :MacRAND​
arn: regardless, it's not the site
you are right :MacRAND​

Maybe it is the whole West Coast - AZ CA etc?
Where is your site, what state?
Check post 125
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/63427/
:MacRAND
JamesDPS said:
macrumors member
*Location: Los Angeles, CA
Is it just me, or is the macplus.org site down right now?
(pls note date and time as of this post)...
are they suddenly getting bombarded
because of these kinds of "news" posts?
if something like this can generate
this much network traffic, maybe we
shouldn't give it as much credence...
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3:20 PM
arn: I'm in north carolina
Ok, east of the Mississippi,
wonder where else it is out? :MacRAND​
arn: heh
arn: has this never happened to you before?
arn: it happens
no :MacRAND​
I'm a virgin. 59 year old virgin. :MacRAND​
arn: try http://62.233.44.223/
I'm a computer nut because
I need instant gratification.
Definition of a Geek or Nerd must include
that don't you think? thanks :MacRAND​
ok :MacRAND​
waiting... :MacRAND​
Ureka! it worked. :MacRAND​
Thanks :MacRAND​
arn: it's your DNS servers
arn: from your ISP
I'd give DeNniS a call and chew him out,
but I don't have the number.
If it includes California, what's up.
I have COX.net cable service, you'd think... :MacRAND​
3:25 PM
Merci :MacRAND​
arn: it's probably cox.net's problem
4:25 PM
At the MacPlus.org site,
when you click on the article about
"Future G5 PowerMacs"
you get nothing but white
where the article should be
BLANK - it is GONE!
Try it arn :MacRAND​
The AIM service could not send the message: [hresult 0x80000003][/b]​

arn: yeah, they pulled it

The AIM service could not send the message: [hresult 0x80000003][/b]​

How long you known :MacRAND​
arn: since we talked last
damn. Thanks. Later :MacRAND​
4:55 PM
You left the chat.​
 
Opteron said:
I have a theory, you may or may not agree.

Apple as a whole (lead by SJ) has too much pride.
Pride in the sence they wont release a dual button mouse
Pride in the sence their marketing statagy is turning customers away
Pride in the sence They over price under performing computers and expect the consumer to pay.

and foolishness in the sence
that they won't put the best chips $ for $ in their machines.

Apple's loosing market share, and they need to do something about it.
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Pride in the sense that they put together an excellent piece of hardware with impeccable software compatability.
Does this mean they can't incorporate newer technologies as fast as the consumer would like them? probably.
Does this mean it would take a major overhaul of software and hardware to change to a different processor style?
most definitely
So yes they take pride in what they put together and if that puts them behind the curve a little in adopting newer technologies (or processor speeds) that is a deficiency I am willing to put up with.
 
Opteron said:
I have a theory, you may or may not agree.

Apple as a whole (lead by SJ) has too much pride.
Pride in the sence they wont release a dual button mouse
Pride in the sence their marketing statagy is turning customers away
Pride in the sence They over price under performing computers and expect the consumer to pay.

and foolishness in the sence
that they won't put the best chips $ for $ in their machines.

Apple's loosing market share, and they need to do something about it.
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SJ = Arrogant self-centered s.o.b. Apple God. – Nothing new.
 
MacRAND-
You are the one pushing a conspiracy theory, not me. I'm saying you cannot call someone "wrong" in this case because you do not have all of the facts. Disagree all you want, but don't pretend to be an authority.

If an article is suddenly unavailable from an otherwise working site, a typical assumption is that it was "pulled" - under the circumstances, I would have said the same. However, pulled stories do not usually get resurrected, as this one has, especially at the exact URL. This seems to indicate a glitch on their end that made the story temporarily unavailable.

In any case, the story is there now and has been for quite some time. Let's deal with the content and get over this silly argument over what happened on their site.
 
mattmack said:
So yes they take pride in what they put together and if that puts them behind the curve a little in adopting newer technologies (or processor speeds) that is a deficiency I am willing to put up with.
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You may be willing to wait for the goods to come, but while you're waiting >95% of the computing industry has moved on.

And I have waited long enough.
Also I take great pride in my work, espically building computers for Firends and family members. They expect nothing but the best, and that's what they get from me.
 
MacRAND said:
C. Your statement that "the Article was never pulled" is simply contrary to known, provable fact. Attached below is a SCREEN SHOT I made at the time
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At the bottom of the screen shot there is an error message saying "can't find file" and an error number. Looking in an errno.h file on an Unix machine:
#define EMFILE 24 /* Too many open files */

So, the most probable thing is that the article was never pulled but the server was overloaded by everyone trying to access the article (and reloading the pages).
 
resolution

Laglorden said:
At the bottom of the screen shot there is an error message saying "can't find file" and an error number. Looking in an errno.h file on an Unix machine:
#define EMFILE 24 /* Too many open files */

So, the most probable thing is that the article was never pulled but the server was overloaded by everyone trying to access the article (and reloading the pages).
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I do not disagree with your analysis of the one screen shot I submitted, however, I took several screen shots over a period of time when the situation continued, and others do not have that statement.

Besides, I simply reported to arn that the Article was not coming up for me.
Arn then tried to pull up the Article himself, and
it was arn who clearly indicated that it had apparently been "pulled".

Not my call, not my word!
I do not have the experience or expertise to make such a determination.
Bottomline is, it was arn who used the word "pulled",
so I simply assumed he as the professional and authority in this forum
was correct, and I relied upon his knowledge and expertise.

The conflict is not between me and moderator Rower_CPU,
who is just trying to do his job,
nor is it over the "true status" of the Article, then or now;
it is with davidL who rashly lambasted me on this occasion and
has a history of doing much the same thing to other members as well.

It is un-important

a) Whether - I was right when I simply reported:
At the MacPlus.org site,
when you click on the article about
"Future G5 PowerMacs"
you get nothing but white
where the article should be
BLANK - it is GONE!
Try it arn
or
b) Whether - arn was right when he replied
"yeah, they pulled it"

The Moderator's position is at odds with arn's determination, not mine, because all I did was report the condition to arn, then rely on arn's judgment.

My objection is not with davidL's technical position at all,
which we are told has as much merit as arn's, yours or the Moderator's,
although specifically contrary to arn's statement to me.
 
iMac G5 before Powerbook G5?

pjkelnhofer said:
Actually, I am quite sure that when the Flat Panel iMac first came out, it was faster than any of the availible PB at the time. Also, the original iMac was close to if not the same processor as the PB of it's day.

The iMacs have been around for only five years. That is less than half as long as the PB and one fourth of the Mac's lifetime. There isn't really that much tradition on which to base upgrade cycles. It is really only recently (the last year or so) that the iMac has fallen behind the PB.
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The point is not speed but processor. Would Apple actually put a G5 in an iMac before a Powerbook? iMacs are always behind the pro series in one way or another be it limiting or not including L3 cache. Although there was a rumor a while back that Apple was going to position the iMac as a prosumer rather than consumer item so maybe the G5 will grace the iMac before the Powerbook.

Anyone else have any thoughts on this?
 
Earendil said:
Apple as a whole (lead by SJ) has too much pride.

Pride in the sence their marketing statagy is turning customers away

Since when have more people started leaving the way of the Apple as opposed to joining? I'd stake money on there being more Mac users today than EVER before.
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Every time a consumer goes into a computer store (or 3) and shops for a Mac vs a PC and selects a PC for reasons like "my friends have one" or "there is more software for a PC", or "it has higher Ghz", which are the three most common stated reasons, Macs lose sales.

You do not see people going in and saying "a Mac is more stable", "a Mac is far easier to use, upgrade, downgrade", "a Mac just makes task completion faster and easier", "a Mac interfaces with peripherals seamlessly", "the Mac manual collects dust", "the Mac reinstall discs collect dust", "the hardware lasts twice as long thus reducing life cycle costs and repair hassles".

None of that is in the mindshare.

Apple runs artsy ads ONLY and NEVER ONCE even mentions actual consumer benefits to consumers.

Rocketman
 
I'm sure it's just a mistake, but check this out. I just bought a PB (I know, I know, but I had to for work) and to thank me (gee whoopdeedoo!), apple gave me a free subsription to macworld. on the page where you fill in the delivery address it asks you some questions about what you do, etc... one of the questions is 'please select from the list the apple product you purchased most recently'. imac G5? THAT'S interesting.
 

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I'm sure it's just a mistake, but check this out. I just bought a PB (I know, I know, but I had to for work) and to thank me (gee whoopdeedoo!), apple gave me a free subsription to macworld. on the page where you fill in the delivery address it asks you some questions about what you do, etc... one of the questions is 'please select from the list the apple product you purchased most recently'. imac G5? THAT'S interesting.
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Very interesting.
 
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