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PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?
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It really is unless your a Pod Lover, computer wise they have 1 product that is close with the otherside dual G5s. everything else is getting spanked by machines that were sold 1-2 years ago let alone todays stuff. sure i have used and like Mac but im not going to let them just screw me year after year on the hardware. there comes a time you got to say so long.garybooberry said:
Dont Hurt Me said:
Then go ahead and jump, DHM. Either do it, or stop making these empty, meaningless threats. Posting on a messageboard isn't going to make Steve Jobs and Apple suddenly do what you want. If they're going to change strategy, it won't be because MacRumors' forum has declared the G4 to be too slow. To think anything else is lunacy.
Honestly... What's the point in your rants? We know you think the G4 is slow, and that Apple is stingy and lame, and that AMD is the source of all goodness in the world now... If you'd at least back up your claims with some kind of facts and sources, it would make an awful lot more sense for you to be continuing to do this. There might be some visible purpose. As it is... Why? What are you getting out of this?
i think he has got a good point.....they are relying on there os more than puting good fast processors in there hardwar...... (excluding the powermac of course) but even that needs to be bumped to 3ghz to be no 1
but i found myself looking at a windoze laptop yesterday cos the poowerbooks just aint good enough for the money..... ofcourse i will wait for the new powerbooks but im tempted by the new athlon64 for the same price as the powerbook 12inch.... here in the uk anyway
but i found myself looking at a windoze laptop yesterday cos the poowerbooks just aint good enough for the money..... ofcourse i will wait for the new powerbooks but im tempted by the new athlon64 for the same price as the powerbook 12inch.... here in the uk anyway
PlanB said:
the problem with the Athlon64 notebooks is that they are desktop replacement notebooks. That is, they have terrible battery life. They aren't especially usefull as notebooks. They are really LCD desktops that are easy to relocate.
Personally, If I was getting a notebook, it'd be so I could actually use it on battery power. I'd buy a powerbook (I've got an ibook from work) because it's a good _portable_). If I really wanted a windows laptop.. It'd be Centrino all the way. They are fast (when you turn cpu slewing off) and they get good battery life.
"It's good to be the King!" - Steve Jobs
Was it "History of the World, Part I" in which Mel Brooks' character repeatedly said with delight "It's good to be the King!"?
While thatwendigo and I would agree that it feels delightful "to be no. 1" in the hardware department, having the "fastest laptop" is NOT as important as having the "best computer" running the "best Operating Stystem", and that combination for me and several million MacHeads / MacAddicts has been supplied by Apple Computer since 1984.
I'm a "switcher" to Mac from an Intel 286 chip computer in 1991 while contemplating on moving up to a 386. I'd really never heard of Apple or its Macintosh at that time, all I knew was that I was sick and tired of the unfriendly OS I had been on, the lack of available fonts at any price, and I needed a laser printer that worked well with my computer and OS. Burroughs/Unisys had been a good system for me since the early 1980's, but I was not about to spend another $14,000 to replace a system that was supposed to be modular. I looked at IBM and even SONY running Windows and that was a joke, I did not want to go backwards and use DOS.
When I discovered the combination of Mac OS 6 and a MacLC from Apple Computer, I knew I'd hit the right combination and it was WYSIWYG, very important for my desktop design needs. Their 16MHz CPU and OS provided me with the best package deal, including new functioning laser printer, for under $3,000, which beat the hell out of $14,000, and the good part was that their OS 7 had just come out and it was better than anything around. I was in heaven, and frankly have been ever since.
I've seen the Mac world evolve from using Motorola 68020 chips (to 68030 and 68040) to making a major jump over to IBM PowerPC 600 series chips, and the evolution of its OS from 6 to where we are today with Panther OS X, and I know what has gotten millions of happy Mac users where we are today - the combination of well built, dependable hardware, and the ultimate Operating System. Windows isn't even No. 2 in that department, it would appear that Lindows OS on Intel based CPUs using Linux is for the most part ahead of XP and getting better.
Whereas we realize that it is the whole package that counts, and most importantly the user friendliness and consistency of OS X, some people seem to be ignorant of the foundation for a good usable computer. You've never owned a powerful computer that didn't work right, like it should. You've never paid an IT to come in about every month or so to help clean up the OS using its Terminal. All that stopped with Apple's Macintosh.
I would not go back to using an Intel processor, getting caught up in the PC speed race while using an inferior MS Windows Operating System, especially one so vulnerable to viruses, for any amount of money.
Detroit once had Americans feeling guilty about not buying the "latest model" every 1 to 3 years, while Germans wisely bought an MB, BMW or VW every 10 years - and laughed at the dumb Yanks.
Intel and its PC competitors have many Americans buying the next fast Pentium chip about every 6 months or so to put in their muscle computer or hot rod gamer machine because of ever increasing GHz. Well, the stupid competition over muscle cars and souped up hot rods stopped being "fashionable" in the 1980's and have been properly designated as antique cars in the 2000's.
Personal computers are about the Operating System, and Panther OS X is unquestionably "the King". If you do not agree, then you need a change of Citizenship to either WindowsWorld or LindowsLand, where you can play with your Pentium Hot Rods all you want. Go ahead, get sucked into the speed race, and spending your money on the latest V-3GHZ engine. What? you think a higher frame rate playing WarCraft IV World or shaving a few seconds off some obscure plug-in for Photoshop or Quartz Espréssø really impresses people? Not my people.
I've got a Dual 1-GHz Quicksilver PowerMac that gets me to the office and back within legal speed limits quickly, easily and in style, thank you very much. Don't need an Athlon sports car, or a Pentium 16 wheeler to do the job. I don't even really need (but, I would LIKE!) a new Mac G5 under the hood to run my up-to-date 10.3.3 smooth running Panther very efficiently. I'm doing just fine.
Sure, I would love a speedier engine in my very mobile (off the road Jeep) iBook because the old G3 (4 cylinder) is not as peppy as the G4 (6 cylinder) in the newest model iBook or PowerBook, and yes, it would be real nice to have a G5 (V8) under the hood, but I can wait until the 2.0 liter engine doesn't run too hot in my book.
But, I'll be damned if I'm going to jump ship just so I can buy the latest Japanese sports car with the fastest (this month) high-clock speed engine. Shucks, none of my tools are even Metric, and I'll be damned if I'm going to go out and buy a whole new set of foreign Windows tools. Do you know what an Adobe Photoshop CS for Windows costs these days? And that's not mentioning the cost of all the plug-in parts to make it work right. No way!
I can be patient while waiting 3 years or more between purchases of my family computer, or mobile laptop, and I appreciate the constant improvements being made. I just don't need a V-10 or V-16 under the hood that will go 3-GHz, when a reasonable & prudent speed is only 1-GHz except on some dragstrip or oval racetrack anyway. What would be the point of switching from a Mac that is so user friendly and enjoyable to operate? Remember, you'd have to tolerate Windows or Lindows everyday. Doesn't that thought just totally suck?
Please, if you need the latest Hot Rod and are willing to buy a whole new set of tools (and repair manuals, don't forget) for the Metric XP System, be our guest.
Nothing says value or works more friendly than the combination of Apple and Macintosh running an IBM PowerPC engine, whether hot new G5 or the more energy efficient and still hot G4. Besides that, Hybrids are all the rage these days, and nothing beats the award winning style of a 20" iMac.
If you prefer the Intel or AMD engines and those foreign Win/Lin±dows systems, you should go hang out at a Pentium garage.
Here at the MacForum, we only care about Mac computers with IBM designed processors using the modern and efficient Apple OS. Instead of whining and complaining, go over to the dark side. Here, the pleasure of operating a good solid computer and using the best OS in the world is what we like doing everyday. Apparently, you don't care.
We're just not interested in the next speedy foreign engine of the month, and we have no clue on how to fix the Window in your Intel when it is broken - and that happens way too often for our taste (like, all the time!). And when you have a CRASH, you've got to take it to their body shop anyway.
Don't just "look at that windoze laptop", go buy it. And, when you do,
please look for another garage to help repair your hardware & software, and don't come back here just because you cannot figure out why your speed demon doesn't work well. The answer is: it's a PC on XP
This is a MacForum and we don't fix no stinkin' Windoze PCs here, nor do we care when they contract another PC virus, get sick and DIE! Sorry, but a PC's gonna do what a PC's gonna do.
SORRY, PlanB, I'll have to side with thatwendigo and disagree with DHM...again.PlanB said:
Was it "History of the World, Part I" in which Mel Brooks' character repeatedly said with delight "It's good to be the King!"?
While thatwendigo and I would agree that it feels delightful "to be no. 1" in the hardware department, having the "fastest laptop" is NOT as important as having the "best computer" running the "best Operating Stystem", and that combination for me and several million MacHeads / MacAddicts has been supplied by Apple Computer since 1984.
I'm a "switcher" to Mac from an Intel 286 chip computer in 1991 while contemplating on moving up to a 386. I'd really never heard of Apple or its Macintosh at that time, all I knew was that I was sick and tired of the unfriendly OS I had been on, the lack of available fonts at any price, and I needed a laser printer that worked well with my computer and OS. Burroughs/Unisys had been a good system for me since the early 1980's, but I was not about to spend another $14,000 to replace a system that was supposed to be modular. I looked at IBM and even SONY running Windows and that was a joke, I did not want to go backwards and use DOS.
When I discovered the combination of Mac OS 6 and a MacLC from Apple Computer, I knew I'd hit the right combination and it was WYSIWYG, very important for my desktop design needs. Their 16MHz CPU and OS provided me with the best package deal, including new functioning laser printer, for under $3,000, which beat the hell out of $14,000, and the good part was that their OS 7 had just come out and it was better than anything around. I was in heaven, and frankly have been ever since.
I've seen the Mac world evolve from using Motorola 68020 chips (to 68030 and 68040) to making a major jump over to IBM PowerPC 600 series chips, and the evolution of its OS from 6 to where we are today with Panther OS X, and I know what has gotten millions of happy Mac users where we are today - the combination of well built, dependable hardware, and the ultimate Operating System. Windows isn't even No. 2 in that department, it would appear that Lindows OS on Intel based CPUs using Linux is for the most part ahead of XP and getting better.
Whereas we realize that it is the whole package that counts, and most importantly the user friendliness and consistency of OS X, some people seem to be ignorant of the foundation for a good usable computer. You've never owned a powerful computer that didn't work right, like it should. You've never paid an IT to come in about every month or so to help clean up the OS using its Terminal. All that stopped with Apple's Macintosh.
I would not go back to using an Intel processor, getting caught up in the PC speed race while using an inferior MS Windows Operating System, especially one so vulnerable to viruses, for any amount of money.
Detroit once had Americans feeling guilty about not buying the "latest model" every 1 to 3 years, while Germans wisely bought an MB, BMW or VW every 10 years - and laughed at the dumb Yanks.
Intel and its PC competitors have many Americans buying the next fast Pentium chip about every 6 months or so to put in their muscle computer or hot rod gamer machine because of ever increasing GHz. Well, the stupid competition over muscle cars and souped up hot rods stopped being "fashionable" in the 1980's and have been properly designated as antique cars in the 2000's.
Personal computers are about the Operating System, and Panther OS X is unquestionably "the King". If you do not agree, then you need a change of Citizenship to either WindowsWorld or LindowsLand, where you can play with your Pentium Hot Rods all you want. Go ahead, get sucked into the speed race, and spending your money on the latest V-3GHZ engine. What? you think a higher frame rate playing WarCraft IV World or shaving a few seconds off some obscure plug-in for Photoshop or Quartz Espréssø really impresses people? Not my people.
I've got a Dual 1-GHz Quicksilver PowerMac that gets me to the office and back within legal speed limits quickly, easily and in style, thank you very much. Don't need an Athlon sports car, or a Pentium 16 wheeler to do the job. I don't even really need (but, I would LIKE!) a new Mac G5 under the hood to run my up-to-date 10.3.3 smooth running Panther very efficiently. I'm doing just fine.
Sure, I would love a speedier engine in my very mobile (off the road Jeep) iBook because the old G3 (4 cylinder) is not as peppy as the G4 (6 cylinder) in the newest model iBook or PowerBook, and yes, it would be real nice to have a G5 (V8) under the hood, but I can wait until the 2.0 liter engine doesn't run too hot in my book.
But, I'll be damned if I'm going to jump ship just so I can buy the latest Japanese sports car with the fastest (this month) high-clock speed engine. Shucks, none of my tools are even Metric, and I'll be damned if I'm going to go out and buy a whole new set of foreign Windows tools. Do you know what an Adobe Photoshop CS for Windows costs these days? And that's not mentioning the cost of all the plug-in parts to make it work right. No way!
I can be patient while waiting 3 years or more between purchases of my family computer, or mobile laptop, and I appreciate the constant improvements being made. I just don't need a V-10 or V-16 under the hood that will go 3-GHz, when a reasonable & prudent speed is only 1-GHz except on some dragstrip or oval racetrack anyway. What would be the point of switching from a Mac that is so user friendly and enjoyable to operate? Remember, you'd have to tolerate Windows or Lindows everyday. Doesn't that thought just totally suck?
Please, if you need the latest Hot Rod and are willing to buy a whole new set of tools (and repair manuals, don't forget) for the Metric XP System, be our guest.
Nothing says value or works more friendly than the combination of Apple and Macintosh running an IBM PowerPC engine, whether hot new G5 or the more energy efficient and still hot G4. Besides that, Hybrids are all the rage these days, and nothing beats the award winning style of a 20" iMac.
If you prefer the Intel or AMD engines and those foreign Win/Lin±dows systems, you should go hang out at a Pentium garage.
Here at the MacForum, we only care about Mac computers with IBM designed processors using the modern and efficient Apple OS. Instead of whining and complaining, go over to the dark side. Here, the pleasure of operating a good solid computer and using the best OS in the world is what we like doing everyday. Apparently, you don't care.
We're just not interested in the next speedy foreign engine of the month, and we have no clue on how to fix the Window in your Intel when it is broken - and that happens way too often for our taste (like, all the time!). And when you have a CRASH, you've got to take it to their body shop anyway.
Don't just "look at that windoze laptop"
, go buy it. And, when you do,please look for another garage to help repair your hardware & software, and don't come back here just because you cannot figure out why your speed demon doesn't work well. The answer is: it's a PC on XP
This is a MacForum and we don't fix no stinkin' Windoze PCs here, nor do we care when they contract another PC virus, get sick and DIE!
Sorry, but a PC's gonna do what a PC's gonna do.^^^^^^^^^^
well thanks for wasting the time it took me to read your post.....
and anyone would think i had said powerbooks are rubbish but i didnt
i think at the moment i would be short changed if i brought a powerbook
there are faster more capable laptops out there for cheaper at the moment (not taking in to consideration the important compactness of the 12 inch or the operating system) i do think at this very point in time apple are relying on mac ox 10.3 to sell there slightly "overdue for an update" systems ..... i have a dual g5 and love it but i do need a laptop to accompany it ...... and yes it will be a powerbook and no i dont want to hang out in any silly "windoze garage" as you put it..... but i was tempted only because plain value for money... which i know you will say is false economy but thats because its got an inferiour os.....
but till the powerbook updates i wont be getting a laptop
didnt meen any beef at all....... and i am and always will be a mac user for more reasons than just raw processor power but i was just putting the performance aspects of my needs across.....
well thanks for wasting the time it took me to read your post.....
and anyone would think i had said powerbooks are rubbish but i didnt
i think at the moment i would be short changed if i brought a powerbook
there are faster more capable laptops out there for cheaper at the moment (not taking in to consideration the important compactness of the 12 inch or the operating system) i do think at this very point in time apple are relying on mac ox 10.3 to sell there slightly "overdue for an update" systems ..... i have a dual g5 and love it but i do need a laptop to accompany it ...... and yes it will be a powerbook and no i dont want to hang out in any silly "windoze garage" as you put it..... but i was tempted only because plain value for money... which i know you will say is false economy but thats because its got an inferiour os.....
but till the powerbook updates i wont be getting a laptop
didnt meen any beef at all....... and i am and always will be a mac user for more reasons than just raw processor power but i was just putting the performance aspects of my needs across.....
MacRAND, I just wanted to tell you that I really enjoy your posts in general and think that they are a breath of fresh air in our cosy little macrumors community. Keep it up!
Hi, I'm not a Mac user yet so forgive me for my ignorance please:
If Apple were to announce new G5s on Tuesday, can we expect to wait a while before they are available? Or do they generally go on sale simultaneously?
Also, has anyone had good or bad experience buying a Mac from Jigsaw in the UK?
One more thing that maybe someone could clear up for me too: Are macs actually less susceptible to viruses than PCs or is it just that the geeks that make viruses are all PC users?
If Apple were to announce new G5s on Tuesday, can we expect to wait a while before they are available? Or do they generally go on sale simultaneously?
Also, has anyone had good or bad experience buying a Mac from Jigsaw in the UK?
One more thing that maybe someone could clear up for me too: Are macs actually less susceptible to viruses than PCs or is it just that the geeks that make viruses are all PC users?
JamieMill said:
yeah it will be a little while before they are shipped
macs dont get viruses ( debatable) but even if someone says they are suseptable then it will only be one or two..... there are millions for pc......
never brought from jigsaw ...... cancom are good what you buying????
For all of you complaining about how lame Macs are in comparison to the latest and greatest offerings from AMD and Intel, just consider one important fact: CPU speed is not everything! I said in other threads before, there are pretty good AMD/Intel based laptops and desktops out there. In fact, if you're willing to spend a bit more for PC than the average Windows user, you get systems featuring the best hardware there is. But that's just one side. Think about what kind of OS those comps are running: A hereditarily insecure OS whose core system is almost 5 years old. Yes, Win XP is just an improved Win2k, which was finalised in late 1999. Even though MS releases Service Packs to fix a few things, the system is outdated. Not to mention all the problems with hardware components, which are not 100% compatible, viruses, worms etc. Mac OS on the other hand is based on a modern UNIX core. By building both hardware and software, Apple makes sure everything just works the way it s supposed to. I prefer security and ease of use to having (for a few brief days) that fastest machine on the planet, but thats just me. If you are desperate to have the fastest computer, get yourself a Wintel box and be happy. As a long time Windows user, I seriously doubt you will find yourself in the promised land.
Zaty said:For all of you complaining about how lame Macs are in comparison to the latest and greatest offerings from AMD and Intel, just consider one important fact: CPU speed is not everything! I said in other threads before, there are pretty good AMD/Intel based laptops and desktops out there. In fact, if you're willing to spend a bit more for PC than the average Windows user, you get systems featuring the best hardware there is. But that's just one side. Think about what kind of OS those comps are running: A hereditarily insecure OS whose core system is almost 5 years old. Yes, Win XP is just an improved Win2k, which was finalised in late 1999. Even though MS releases Service Packs to fix a few things, the system is outdated. Not to mention all the problems with hardware components, which are not 100% compatible, viruses, worms etc. Mac OS on the other hand is based on a modern UNIX core. By building both hardware and software, Apple makes sure everything just works the way it s supposed to. I prefer security and ease of use to having (for a few brief days) that fastest machine on the planet, but thats just me. If you are desperate to have the fastest computer, get yourself a Wintel box and be happy. As a long time Windows user, I seriously doubt you will find yourself in the promised land.
how do you find your 12 inch..... fast fast enough without annoying you sometimes????? cos my mum has a 1ghz emac and i annoys the hell out of me......
and the other points you are completly right on,,,, the os yes outdated the compatablitie issue yeah true..... the viruses hell spot on but my point is really appple want to get there ass in gear and get updates done and dusted....
because at the end of the day windoze and bill gates dont care what apple are doing cos they have 90% of the global market.... so they need a kick it the teeth with ,ore great machines from apple
Many people, in an attempt to justify, validate, or bolster mac in arguments where one can find fault with mac's modern computers, so often go to the very, very distant past to explain how much better they were. Were much better, maybe; but the past is not the present, and the argument that $3000 beats $14000 way, way, way back when I was a tiny child, somehow does not manage to impress upon me that Modern mac is superior.
I do not understand why people seek this reference of distant history...is it truly the best thing Apple has ever had going for them? If people continue to bring up the past to defend the present, I shall wonder even more seriously, whether or not mac has really been much of anything great since that long time ago...
I also do not know that OS X is the very best OS in the world. I know that it is one of the most expensive on a yearly basis, I know that it is graphically intensive, and I know that only 2 things that I use on it run faster for me than on OS 9 (the rest are considerably slower, even in panther): photoshop 7, and image capture for retrieving pictures from my old kodak digicam. I do notice that it doesn't hardly ever have major, critical crashes like OS 9, but...well, certain windows OSes don't, either.
Apple customers, particularly in recent years, have frequently been "privileged" to be patient enough to wait long periods of time for significant updates, shipping dates, etc...it pays to be patient. Also, it pays to be patient when your ibook kicks the bucket and it's under the Applecare plan, at which point you send it back, and wait...
However, on the 3d graphics rendering venue, there are some of us who, god forbid, just wouldn't like to wait longer than we have to, nor would we like to be limited just to maya (if you have a g4), infini-d and lightwave (electric image is out of the question). We would also like certain very popular, and powerful, business-type, money-making programs like 3dsmax and its divers plugin aids, or Softimage. These are...handy to have. Especially, these are handy to be able to have.
As for rendering speeds, well, for 3d graphics, both AMD and Intel currently blow even the dual 2ghz G5 away. And it's not always just some trifling few seconds either. Lest we forget, as you mockingly note how things you do in photoshop might take a few whopping seconds longer than a faster pc or mac...as far as professional work goes, many tasks take much longer than casual, personal works, and Apple is supposed to be primarily consecrated for its workhorse uses, its benefits as a machine for work. Well, ok. The benefits are for audio editing, and perhaps video editing. But enough with specifics; I could bring something up that's true (something that incredibly wide generalization seems to lack), and that never helps. Besides, what would I be if I had to resort to Examples in order to prove my points, or discount someone else's as absurd, poor references, comparisons, etc.? I'd be a monster, a cad, a fiend!
Good business is about doing the job well, and on time (for modern purposes, on time is sufficient). So your computer isn't the fastest. If you work using your computer, and it's not the fastest computer, or even close, that just makes you a little less efficient as a worker, a person, a representative of whatever company you work for (including your own), etc...
Now that cuts into your free time. A few seconds here, a few minutes there, and pretty soon that special dinner with the girlfriend may have to get moved up an hour, a day, a week, whenever you really, truly have time...or maybe you'll just be a little later to the meeting than you hoped. However, these things are admittedly silly exaggerations; a few seconds or minutes' difference (especially multiplied over months or years) never mattered in business or spending time with the ones you love! And we all just have such easygoing, patient, respite filled lifestyles, too. Yes, and plenty of time to enjoy spending with the kids...
Anyway, I've spewed enough for now...I'll just reaffirm, at the moment, that I do expect computer announcements, as I mentioned before, very close behind the xserve shipping dates.
I do not understand why people seek this reference of distant history...is it truly the best thing Apple has ever had going for them? If people continue to bring up the past to defend the present, I shall wonder even more seriously, whether or not mac has really been much of anything great since that long time ago...
I also do not know that OS X is the very best OS in the world. I know that it is one of the most expensive on a yearly basis, I know that it is graphically intensive, and I know that only 2 things that I use on it run faster for me than on OS 9 (the rest are considerably slower, even in panther): photoshop 7, and image capture for retrieving pictures from my old kodak digicam. I do notice that it doesn't hardly ever have major, critical crashes like OS 9, but...well, certain windows OSes don't, either.
Apple customers, particularly in recent years, have frequently been "privileged" to be patient enough to wait long periods of time for significant updates, shipping dates, etc...it pays to be patient. Also, it pays to be patient when your ibook kicks the bucket and it's under the Applecare plan, at which point you send it back, and wait...
However, on the 3d graphics rendering venue, there are some of us who, god forbid, just wouldn't like to wait longer than we have to, nor would we like to be limited just to maya (if you have a g4), infini-d and lightwave (electric image is out of the question). We would also like certain very popular, and powerful, business-type, money-making programs like 3dsmax and its divers plugin aids, or Softimage. These are...handy to have. Especially, these are handy to be able to have.
As for rendering speeds, well, for 3d graphics, both AMD and Intel currently blow even the dual 2ghz G5 away. And it's not always just some trifling few seconds either. Lest we forget, as you mockingly note how things you do in photoshop might take a few whopping seconds longer than a faster pc or mac...as far as professional work goes, many tasks take much longer than casual, personal works, and Apple is supposed to be primarily consecrated for its workhorse uses, its benefits as a machine for work. Well, ok. The benefits are for audio editing, and perhaps video editing. But enough with specifics; I could bring something up that's true (something that incredibly wide generalization seems to lack), and that never helps. Besides, what would I be if I had to resort to Examples in order to prove my points, or discount someone else's as absurd, poor references, comparisons, etc.? I'd be a monster, a cad, a fiend!
Good business is about doing the job well, and on time (for modern purposes, on time is sufficient). So your computer isn't the fastest. If you work using your computer, and it's not the fastest computer, or even close, that just makes you a little less efficient as a worker, a person, a representative of whatever company you work for (including your own), etc...
Now that cuts into your free time. A few seconds here, a few minutes there, and pretty soon that special dinner with the girlfriend may have to get moved up an hour, a day, a week, whenever you really, truly have time...or maybe you'll just be a little later to the meeting than you hoped. However, these things are admittedly silly exaggerations; a few seconds or minutes' difference (especially multiplied over months or years) never mattered in business or spending time with the ones you love! And we all just have such easygoing, patient, respite filled lifestyles, too. Yes, and plenty of time to enjoy spending with the kids...
Anyway, I've spewed enough for now...I'll just reaffirm, at the moment, that I do expect computer announcements, as I mentioned before, very close behind the xserve shipping dates.
PlanB said:
It's more than fast enough for me, at least with the extra 512 Megs of RAM. It's far more powerful than the laptop I had before (Toshiba, 1.33 GHZ Mobile Celeron, 256 MB RAM, 16 MB shared VRAM and a cheap graphics system called Cyberblade XP).
PlanB said:
Well, you asked, so... I was going to simply get a fast PC because my old one is on its way out, but this idea developed into a better PC, then an emac, a dual G4 PM, a single G5, a dual G5 and I was poised to purchase until I saw these rumours of new G5.
I'm sold on Macs now, they just look so nice, and there is absolutely noone worth their salt using PCs in the music industry (I'm a musician). Plus Windows XP looks so bloody childish. I can't understand why the biggest company in the world can't employ someone with functioning eyesight to design the interface.
how long do you mean by 'a little while'?
PlanB, WELCOME to our GARAGE BAND.PlanB said:^^^^^^^^^^
... anyone would think i had said powerbooks are rubbish but
i didnt (YES, WE KNOW...)
i think at the moment i would be short changed if i brought (sic) a powerbook
(YES, THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD UNDOUBTEDLY WAIT)
there are faster more capable laptops out there for cheaper (sic) at the moment (QUESTIONABLE)
(not taking into consideration the important compactness of the 12 inch or the (OS X) operating system) CORRECT!
i do think at this very point in time apple are (sic) relying on mac ox 10.3 to sell there (sic) slightly "overdue for an update" systems ...(Mmmm, MAYBE)
i have a dual g5 and love it (SUPERB!)
but i do need a laptop to accompany it (YES, WE ALL DO) ... and
yes it will be a powerbook (EXCELLENT) and
no i dont want to hang out in any silly "windoze garage" (SMART) as you put it... (I TRY!)
but i was tempted (YOU ARE BEING HONEST...GOOD!)
only because plain value for money..(YOUR SINS ARE FORGIVEN) which
i know you will say is false economy (TRUE) but
thats because its (PC?) got an inferiour os...(XP?)but
till the powerbook updates i wont be getting a laptop (TRUE WISDOM)
didnt meen (sic) any beef at all...(WE KNOW) and
i am and always will be a mac user (WE ARE SO PLEASED)
for more reasons than just raw processor power (WE HAD HOPE
i was just putting the performance aspects of my needs across...
(YOU DID WELL & WE UNDERSTAND)
You really are among friends
PowerMacs & New Dislpays are COMING!!!
However, when the change of seasons is well overdue,
what do you expect?
Ah yes, a change in season.
We more than expect a change in models, they are coming.
Relax, enjoy the banter on MacRumors forums, and
you will be rewarded handsomely. It's a MacPromise.
JAMIE, Did you see the following news on the front page of MacRumors?
Then, the prices go back up, but faster, better products will stock the shelves and be available.
After that, the Speed-Wars continue with renewed zest.
WAIT? Probably no more than a few weeks, but no one knows.JamieMill said:
However, when the change of seasons is well overdue,
what do you expect?
Ah yes, a change in season.
We more than expect a change in models, they are coming.
Relax, enjoy the banter on MacRumors forums, and
you will be rewarded handsomely.
It's a MacPromise.JAMIE, Did you see the following news on the front page of MacRumors?
So, if you want to get a good Mac CHEAP, the time for buying is beginning to start.AppleInsider said:
Then, the prices go back up, but faster, better products will stock the shelves and be available.
After that, the Speed-Wars continue with renewed zest.
PlanB said:
Have they added dual processor support for macs yet in Maya? And, for Lightwave, check http://www.blanos.com/benchmark/
I haven't found anything regarding infini-d in a while. Let me know on that one. It's too bad that, since brazil isn't available for mac at all, we can't use its very fast renders as any example..
Excellent post, form. Refreshing, cleared the air.
You are in that small, yet important, minority needing speed. I empathize.
A cross-platform Video Editor friend would abandon Mac today if Apple released FinalCut Pro for PC.
He upgrades a Mac or PC every 6 months, then bitches, moans, and quibbles about the computer industry in between. Never satisfied.
He too has an insatiable need for speed, for rendering and for writing to hard disc, DVD or tape. What he needs is an Xserve RAID and a small cluster of G5s, but that's not within his budget. So, the complaining continues.
form, history helps to put current events into proper perspective.
How else is one able to see the big picture.
I'm so old I remember a few years after law school when I saw a
15 MB Winchester Drive costing $15,000 on display at a computer fair. Envy! Lust!! Covet!!!
Now, 1 GB of hard drive averages about $1.00 USD. 80GB=$80
Today 4.7 GB on one $2 DVD disc.
Soon 50GB on one Blu-ray disc. Yes, soon - and at first, very expensive!
It is not "how much better they were" at all, the focus is on
how much better we ARE now, and it gets better and better all the time.
Without perspective, patience is impossible, especially when a person's very livelihood and enjoyment of life, depends so much on a speed bump from the next generation. I understand.
If you are nearly 60, patience comes ...easier. We all love the anticipation.
If you are nearly 30, being patient is hard, but well worth the expectation.
Hey, I just ordered a new Pentax *istD 6.1 mp SLR body and zoom lens and did so though disappointed that the 35mm film to chip ratio is NOT yet 1:1 (like the red example below) for the price paid, and the download cable is not FireWire. But it can use
40x 4GB CompactFlash memory (soon 80x 8GB CF) and accepts
1GB IBM MicroHD for storage.
Preserving my 30+ year investment in Asahi Pentax lenses is important, or I might have gone for the Kodak DCS Pro model. Nikon is ok, just not for me - too often too heavy & bulky. Never satisfied, but thank God for digital...and for
Macintosh computers and Apple OS X and 3rd party software.
Let the developing games begin, along with digital image modification.
You are in that small, yet important, minority needing speed. I empathize.
A cross-platform Video Editor friend would abandon Mac today if Apple released FinalCut Pro for PC.
He upgrades a Mac or PC every 6 months, then bitches, moans, and quibbles about the computer industry in between. Never satisfied.
He too has an insatiable need for speed, for rendering and for writing to hard disc, DVD or tape. What he needs is an Xserve RAID and a small cluster of G5s, but that's not within his budget. So, the complaining continues.
form, history helps to put current events into proper perspective.
How else is one able to see the big picture.
I'm so old I remember a few years after law school when I saw a
15 MB Winchester Drive costing $15,000 on display at a computer fair. Envy! Lust!! Covet!!!
Now, 1 GB of hard drive averages about $1.00 USD. 80GB=$80
Today 4.7 GB on one $2 DVD disc.
Soon 50GB on one Blu-ray disc. Yes, soon - and at first, very expensive!
It is not "how much better they were" at all, the focus is on
how much better we ARE now, and it gets better and better all the time.
Without perspective, patience is impossible, especially when a person's very livelihood and enjoyment of life, depends so much on a speed bump from the next generation. I understand.
If you are nearly 60, patience comes ...easier. We all love the anticipation.
If you are nearly 30, being patient is hard, but well worth the expectation.
Hey, I just ordered a new Pentax *istD 6.1 mp SLR body and zoom lens and did so though disappointed that the 35mm film to chip ratio is NOT yet 1:1 (like the red example below) for the price paid, and the download cable is not FireWire. But it can use
40x 4GB CompactFlash memory (soon 80x 8GB CF) and accepts
1GB IBM MicroHD for storage.
Preserving my 30+ year investment in Asahi Pentax lenses is important, or I might have gone for the Kodak DCS Pro model. Nikon is ok, just not for me - too often too heavy & bulky. Never satisfied, but thank God for digital...and for
Macintosh computers and Apple OS X and 3rd party software.
Let the developing games begin, along with digital image modification.
form said:
MacRAND said:
The reason I don't focus on the past of computers in order to gain perspective on the present (with regards to value) is because using such a past as the computer industry has, as a viewpoint through which to perceive the present, is so distorting, that they may as well be entirely separate subjects, due to the incredible differences in proportion, and the fact that computers were in their very utmost infancy, back then.
Compared to that time, sure, space is dirt cheap, but it's also used much quicker now. Those once expensive grains of special megabyte sand have been formed into the glass that is your modern, very high density hard drive, and the etching acuity is proportionate to the once stick (in the sand), now hand (in the glass), writer's dexterity (Mac OS Standard versus Extended).
Note that, somewhere within that simile, there is some sense to be made...I'm not completely sure where. The history of paper, is also probably a good simile for computer storage space.
The operating system, alone, takes up 1 gig on average (OS X). a videogame frequently uses 1-2gb. Many graphics apps range from 200-800mb total, including all the extra plugins and other files that may be required or useful. Those $15k storage devices from the past wouldn't even hold 1/3 of the Photoshop 7 application program file itself. If you want to use the past to view the present, in computer hardware, you absolutely have to multiply the numbers.
Perhaps we don't know or appreciate how good we have it now, us persons who grew up with multiple gig hds and hundreds of mhz. However, if you get stuck in the past, then your perception of the present, in such a fast moving field, can make you a little too appreciative and a little less shrewd...in the computer industry.
If you want good perspective from history, view civilian and country/worldwide, sociopolitical history. In the computer industry, history is not subject to repeating itself so closely, because the concepts are constantly growing, advancing and metamorphosing, but yet are, and may always be, comparatively simple and localized. Meanwhile, the human mind, though learning wonderful new things, is not advancing upon some of the absolute necessities, like good sense. But, of course, this is all opinion.
Anyway..I hope you enjoy your camera. I'm only grazing the edge, money-wise, of the prosumer digicam field, and so I would prefer a Sony DSC-F717 5mp. Though, if I were interested in higher grade (and higher cost) prosumer or fully pro digital cameras, I'd probably buy Canon. They take very very, nice pictures. And, seeing as how I have no lenses or other similar investments, there would be nothing in the past to keep me from choosing what is absolutely my own preference, based upon quality (nothing mean intended, only something sharp and pointy).
And, finally, to keep on topic, New G5s probably within a week, but they still won't be good enough for me, or my purposes.
I know ,I know Macs are the best etc, but Macs dont have 7.1 surround sound do they? I keep hearing everyone talk of 2.1 whats that about? video cards? well they are a generation behind. we have Pro's the otherside has been using XTs and are about to get the next generation? whats that about? Cpu's we still have 2 vs 1 and loose sometimes. I know we get a million excuses but the bottom line is Mac Hardware is allways 2nd class. Software is Great! why dont they just get rid of who has been running the hardware show and put the guy who is running the software show in charge! PROBLEM SOLVED!
Dont Hurt Me said:
Well, you are at least consistent in your views. I presume you must live under a bridge, if my recollection of fairy tales serves me well.
Man, though, you hit a nerve with this post. I am just dying inside that I don't have 7.1 sound on my computer. I mean, really, why even listen to iTunes, what with the fact that so much music is in 7.1 now. I guess I'm stuck with some of the older collections of children's tunes.
I mean, I thought the whole digital in/5.1 digital out was great, but I stand corrected.
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