PowerMac Inventory: Zero, New PowerMacs on the Way...

[iMatt]

Re: Re: Even more rebates?

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight

Dude, your "friend who works at a Apple-authorized retailer" doesn't know jack. Even if he were Steve Jobs' cousin he still wouldn't know anything. Resellers/retailers aren't told anything in advance other than what we are. An employee of a Microcenter told me before the last MWNY that the iBook was going to be revised for the back to school crowd. What an idiot. It was the iMac, just like these good rumor sites predicted.

You can expect new PowerMacs on the 13th. I wouldn't put much faith in what some peeon at CompUSA, MicroCenter, Fry's, or anywhere else tells you.

Just to defend my friend here. He never tells me what Apple is coming up with or when anything is coming. But he does know when PROMOTIONS from Apple are coming, usually a week ahead of time. And as I said on the post, I am not saying that there will be no new PowerMacs, but just to point out that if you guys were saying that b/c of the "Crystal Clear" promotion starting right before MWNY meant that we would not see new PowerMacs at MWNY, which we didn't, and if the new promotion is exactly the same as the current one, how are we sure NOW that we will be seeing new PowerMacs on the 13th?

Personally, I hope that we will still see new PowerMacs, and the rebate is simply due to the fact that the prices of LCDs have dropped, or at least, Apple will be dropping thiers with the introduction of the PowerMacs anyway. 🙂

 

[ImAlwaysRight]

Re: Re: Re: Even more rebates?

Originally posted by iMatt
... if the new promotion is exactly the same as the current one, how are we sure NOW that we will be seeing new PowerMacs on the 13th?

1) Even before MWNY in July we've had predictions at the most reliable rumor sites of new PowerMacs Aug 13. And that was not based solely on the current rebate, but also due to insider information.

2) Like the lead of this thread says, no PowerMac supply in the channel at Apple's biggest distributer.

3) Apple store is stating 5-7 days for a new Quicksilver PowerMac.

4) Current rebate ends August 12.

5) The Quicksilver PowerMac was last updated in Jan 2002.

And you want me to think new PowerMacs may not be coming Aug 13 because your friend says a new promotion is coming exactly like the current one? Call me a skeptic, but I have a little trouble even considering the possiblity of no new PowerMacs at this point given all the other facts.

If the same promotion is being extended, then it is simply to sell the remaining PowerMac G4 Quicksilver models at CompUSA, MacMall, etc, because the new PowerMacs will ROCK and no one is going to want to buy the old ones. If the new low end ends up being a 1.0GHz PowerMac w/DDR and Radeon 9000 Pro for $1599, it is going to be pretty hard to sell the Quicksilver models. A new Promotion on the Quicksilvers makes sense simply to get rid of old stock, and even with reduced prices, not too many people will be interested in buying the old models.

I can't wait until Tuesday!!!

 

[iMatt]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Even more rebates?

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight

If the same promotion is being extended, then it is simply to sell the remaining PowerMac G4 Quicksilver models at CompUSA, MacMall, etc, because the new PowerMacs will ROCK and no one is going to want to buy the old ones. If the new low end ends up being a 1.0GHz PowerMac w/DDR and Radeon 9000 Pro for $1599, it is going to be pretty hard to sell the Quicksilver models. A new Promotion on the Quicksilvers makes sense simply to get rid of old stock, and even with reduced prices, not too many people will be interested in buying the old models.

I can't wait until Tuesday!!! [/B]

For the last time, I am not saying that there will not be new PowerMacs coming, but just to point out that there are new promotions coming, and do not get mad or disappointed next week, if there are no new PowerMacs.

Also, just so that you know, the promotion says "buy any PowerMac G4s with the displays" which means that if they do introduce the new PowerMacs on Monday or Tuesday, they will still be eligible for the rebate, unless, of course, they are not G4s. 🙂

 

[King Cobra]

>(iMatt)Also, just so that you know, the promotion says "buy any PowerMac G4s with the displays" which means that if they do introduce the new PowerMacs on Monday or Tuesday, they will still be eligible for the rebate, unless, of course, they are not G4s. 🙂

Just so you know, iMatt, the promotion also has a little asterisk that links to the model PowerMacs for this rebate offer.

Straight from Macmall.com. (I have highlighted the asterisks so you can see them. I'll admit, they aren't square, but so what?)

 

[Rajj]

One word.... Duhh!!

 

[trilogic]

sorry I was going off topic with the iSub and Sticks so I delete my post.

😀

 

[iMatt]

New Rebates

Sorry, my bad. I forgot to read the new promo properly. I didn't realize that the current promo is PowerMac-specific, ie, the amount of rebates you get back is dependent on the model of PowerMac you get.

The new "Flat Chance" promotion is display-specific: (q quote from the PDF, I cannot post the PDF here becuase the file is too big):

• Buy any Power Mac G4 and a 17-inch Apple Studio Display and receive $300
back via mail-in rebate.
• Buy any Power Mac G4 and a 22-inch Apple Cinema Display and receive $300
back via mail-in rebate.
• Buy any Power Mac G4 and a 23-inch Apple Cinema HD Display and receive
$750 via mail-in rebate.


Those are CANADIAN dollars by the way. So, I think that we might be seeing the PowerMacs soon, since it says *ANY* Power Mac G4. 🙂

Sorry, but I just got too upset when my friend told me that there are even more rebates coming for the Power Mac and Displays on August 13th. :-(

 

[Rocketman]

Re: Bringing the speaker talk and PMac talk together.

Originally posted by Panda Genma
I've noticed a lot of talk about the soundsticks and people wanting to know what are the best speakers for their system, so I thought it was time to speak up. For a good few years now, PC systems have had 5.1 compatible, digital sound mother boards. THX speakers are even available for them. Why has not Apple jumped onto the 5.1 DDS/DTS bandwagon? Being stuck with 2.0 sound is just not cutting it. Wouldn't it be nice if, along with all this hype about how great the audio is on the mac, they had a 5.1 digital out on the mother board of the new powermacs, or released new USB 5.1 speakers? Does anyone agree with me that we've stayed stereo too long? As it is, I'm looking to buy a Yamaha RP-U200 reciever, which has a USB input, and some speakers. MacAddict recommended that one.

Since Macs have USB is it not simply a software issue to drive output and speakers in that format with a dongle? As as such don't such dongles already exist?

 

[iMatt]

New Rebates

sorry, but for some reason, my previous post got posted twice. I tried to delete the second one, but I cannot. So, I am just typing something here so that you don't have to read the posts twice.

 

[cyberfunk]

Re: Faster Powermacs not yet possible!

Originally posted by Ness
The following are the specifications of the fastest Motorola PowerPC processor currently available taken from their website.

Processor Model: MPC7455
Clock Speeds: 600 MHz, 733 MHz, 800 MHz, 933 MHz, 1 GHz
Bus Speed: 133
Bus Interface: 64 bit
Level 1 Cache: 32 KB
Level 2 Cache: 256 KB
Level 3 Caches: 1 MB, 2MB

According to this information, the processor is limited to a 1 GHz clock speed, 133 MHz system bus and 2 MB of level 3 cache. Therefore, I doubt that we will see faster Power Macs until Motorola comes out with a faster processor. The most Apple could do right now is redesign the case, include a newer, faster CD-RW or DVD/CD-RW combo drive and a single 1 GHz processor configuration. Unless of course, someone can find proof of the existence of a better PowerPC processor that supports a 1.5 GHz clock speed and a 266 MHz system bus.

Oh, and I've already looked at IBM's fastest PowerPC processor. Except from supporting a 266 MHz system bus and less cache it is otherwise equivalent to Motorola's. I also highly doubt that Apple will overclock either of these processors to 1.1 GHz or above, since IBM and Motorola do not endorse doing so for various reasons. Lastly, I very highly doubt that Apple will even use IBM's processors or anybody else's in the near future, because of the contract they have with Motorola.

Blah blah Blah, You really ARE a newbie.. all that means nothing.. Apple and Motorola have a contract , right ? you dont think theres something in there that specifies NON DISCLOSURE OF NEW CPUS ??? If you dont, then your seriously smoking ****... of COURSE Motorola/IBM dont have specs for the new CPUs, they almost never have ! A 1 Ghz G4 useable in macs wasnt available before macworld SF, but then suddenly, it appeared... HMMMM... Lets see, perhaps it's Apple, asking Motorola NOT to publish such things ?

Sheeesh man.

 

[cyberfunk]

Grr

Sorry I'm a little Testy , the damn FedEx Truck broke down right before it got to me on it's route, and it was carrying some computer goodies that I have to wait till tuesday to get now, futhermore, I'm annoyed because I want a new powermac, BAD.

 

[cyberfunk]

Re: Faster Powermacs not yet possible!

Originally posted by Ness
The most Apple could do right now is redesign the case, include a newer, faster CD-RW or DVD/CD-RW combo drive and a single 1 GHz processor configuration. Unless of course, someone can find proof of the existence of a better PowerPC processor that supports a 1.5 GHz clock speed and a 266 MHz system bus.

And, if Apple did that, people would be raving mad, I would be LIVID.

 

[G4scott]

Re: Faster Powermacs not yet possible!

Originally posted by Ness
The following are the specifications of the fastest Motorola PowerPC processor currently available taken from their website.

Processor Model: MPC7455
Clock Speeds: 600 MHz, 733 MHz, 800 MHz, 933 MHz, 1 GHz
Bus Speed: 133
Bus Interface: 64 bit
Level 1 Cache: 32 KB
Level 2 Cache: 256 KB
Level 3 Caches: 1 MB, 2MB

According to this information, the processor is limited to a 1 GHz clock speed, 133 MHz system bus and 2 MB of level 3 cache. Therefore, I doubt that we will see faster Power Macs until Motorola comes out with a faster processor. The most Apple could do right now is redesign the case, include a newer, faster CD-RW or DVD/CD-RW combo drive and a single 1 GHz processor configuration. Unless of course, someone can find proof of the existence of a better PowerPC processor that supports a 1.5 GHz clock speed and a 266 MHz system bus.

Oh, and I've already looked at IBM's fastest PowerPC processor. Except from supporting a 266 MHz system bus and less cache it is otherwise equivalent to Motorola's. I also highly doubt that Apple will overclock either of these processors to 1.1 GHz or above, since IBM and Motorola do not endorse doing so for various reasons. Lastly, I very highly doubt that Apple will even use IBM's processors or anybody else's in the near future, because of the contract they have with Motorola.

You know, Motorola doesn't have to put information on new processors on their page before they're released. Does their web page also say that they're releasing the 7500 to embedded markets? All of those specs are the same as Apple's computers, and Motorola doesn't make processors just for Apple.

 

[ktlx]

Re: Motorola Apple Contract?

Originally posted by Ness
Alright, I am almost buying that, but I just have to ask.

What on earth does Motorola get out of a contract deal like that?

Why money, of course 😀

I mean are they supposed sit on their butts while Apple comes out with a computer that has their latest processor! And then, after that they can release it to the rest of the world! I just don't see what Motorola is getting out of giving Apple first dibs on all their PowerPC processors. Sure, they get to sell thousands of them to Apple as soon as possible, but then they can't sell any until Apple releases a new computer!

It is unlikely Motorola's other customers are in the dark about any new processors. Based upon my experience, they would be covered by an NDA also.

It could work something like this (pure speculation). Apple has an NDA agreement with Motorola that new processors going into PowerMacs are not announced until the PowerMac is announced. However Motorola would also be demonstrating this processor to companies like Cisco, Lucent, etc. and those companies would have an NDA with Motorola that they are unable to announce any products based upon the new processors until Motorola announces them.

I have been in a situation like this with another vendor so it is not completely out of the realm of possibility.

 

[cyberfunk]

Re: Motorola Apple Contract?

Originally posted by Ness
Alright, I am almost buying that, but I just have to ask.

What on earth does Motorola get out of a contract deal like that?

I mean are they supposed sit on their butts......

Well, Motorola, gets a contract from Apple, in addition, it's not likely they they're going to use the same CPUs in embedded as they are in the PowerMacs.

Such NDAs are standard in the industry , Motorola, espcially at this point, cant afford to piss Apple off. I know Apple isnt their only buiness, but they're a big enough part of it for them to care if Apple goes elsewhere.

 

[cyberfunk]

Same Boat

Originally posted by Ness

I, myself currently have $3000 saved up to buy a Power Mac and am waiting to see what they will do. I really need a Power Mac for College ....

Well, Ness, it looks like we're in the same boat, I , too, desperately need a new mac for college, but I've got only 2500 , maby a little less, I really hope I can get something decent for that.. I need a monitor tho.. hmmm..

 

[zkmusa]

Ness, I'm the same exact boat as you! lol

I too have a Pentium II (266 Mhz) running Windows 2000 at the moment. It's running fine, but I've been waiting to jump ship to Macs for a couple years.

Now, I'm going to college so the time is ripe for a new computer.

 

[Malus120]

Re: Same Boat

Originally posted by cyberfunk



Well, Ness, it looks like we're in the same boat, I , too, desperately need a new mac for college, but I've got only 2500 , maby a little less, I really hope I can get something decent for that.. I need a monitor tho.. hmmm..

Oh ONLY $2500 BITCH 😉 . Ill be lucky if i can scrap togeather $1500 for a new PM. But i guess you guys are going to collage so you need it a bit more than i do. Im still jelous though 😡

 

[cyberfunk]

Re: Re: Same Boat

Originally posted by Malus120


Oh ONLY $2500 BITCH 😉 . Ill be lucky if i can scrap togeather $1500 for a new PM. But i guess you guys are going to collage so you need it a bit more than i do. Im still jelous though 😡

Yea, thats right, 2500 of my cash, not momy's money, 2500 of my hard earned molah...

cant complain about parents too much, tho, they ARE paying for college.

 

[cyberfunk]

Re: Re: Same Boat

Originally posted by Malus120


Oh ONLY $2500 BITCH 😉 . Ill be lucky if i can scrap togeather $1500 for a new PM. But i guess you guys are going to collage so you need it a bit more than i do. Im still jelous though 😡

Furthermore, do you know what my last computer /current computer is ?? A 4 yr old Begie G3 333 !! Thats tourture.. try it sometime.

 

[MacArtist]

Re: Motorola Apple Contract?

Originally posted by Ness
Alright, I am almost buying that, but I just have to ask.

What on earth does Motorola get out of a contract deal like that?

I mean are they supposed sit on their butts while Apple comes out with a computer that has their latest processor! And then, after that they can release it to the rest of the world! I just don't see what Motorola is getting out of giving Apple first dibs on all their PowerPC processors. Sure, they get to sell thousands of them to Apple as soon as possible, but then they can't sell any until Apple releases a new computer!

The fact of the matter is that the PPC chip used in the PowerMac isn't the same as what they use in the embeded market. The only other purchasers of the PPC used in the PowerMac are the upgrade manufacturers and they just released 1GHz upgrades about a month ago.

Not to mention that Apple would want to keep any info on faster processors under raps so that it doesn't get people in a tizy. If Moto had say a 1.2 or 1.4 processor on their website people would wonder why it wasn't in the PowerMac.

Also look at when the Geforce4's came out, they were announced by Apple before Nvidia even officially announced them.

So don't worry, when Apple finally releases the new PowerMacs, they are going to be more than just a case redesign.

 

[arn]

Re: Faster Powermacs not yet possible!

Originally posted by Ness


According to this information, the processor is limited to a 1 GHz clock speed, 133 MHz system bus and 2 MB of level 3 cache. Therefore, I doubt that we will see faster Power Macs until Motorola comes out with a faster processor.

To echo other people's comments Ness... you must be new to the Apple/Mac rumor scene...

If we could predict Apple's next processor speeds as easily as looking at Motorola's page... well, then, things would be a LOT easier.

Motorola/Apple have announced new PPC processor speeds at the same time as far back as I can remember.

arn

 

[cyberfunk]

Other items

Also, Apple seems to take pride in announcing new cool stuff, ie: Geforce 4 was announced by them first.. ect.

 

[macman21]

And how often do you think Motorola is waiting on Apple? It would seem that it is almost always the other way around. Exactly why Apple should go with IBM...

 

[Snowy_River]

Re: Re: Re: Same Boat

Originally posted by cyberfunk



Furthermore, do you know what my last computer /current computer is ?? A 4 yr old Begie G3 333 !! Thats tourture.. try it sometime.

I'm afraid that I'm not going to give you much sympathy, here. Up until about eight months ago, my computer was a five year old PowerBook 3400/200. I found it quite sufficient to do an enormous amount of work, ranging from 3D CAD design work to some numeric analysis. By comparison, a 333 G3 would have been a dream. But, now I'm on a newer system. (Alas, not as high powered as I might have liked, but money demands....)