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PowerMac Specs...

lol

<<DUDE these are the old moto processors also with the 7 stage pipeline anD!!!! OMFG DUALS FOR $1,699!!! OMFG!!!! WITH DDR!!!!!!!!! OMFG!!!!!!! THATS 1337, dude those systems would wip 2ghzPIVs, a dual 1.25 woudl WIP a 3ghz especially if it had 333mhz memory!!!!!!! w00t for apple!!!>>


Let's hope enthusiasm is contagious..
 
Clock: People who expect new G4 cores and clockspeeds much above this 1.25 rumor are in my opinion blindly opimistic. Just because Apple is behind in overall performance does not mean they can pull a rabit out of their hat.

DDR: Of course we are getting DDR, like the Xserve if nothing else. Yes, that is better than PC133.

Myself, I'd have to debate getting a dual 1.25 for a long time... it would be a good deal faster than my dual 800 but the price is steep.
 
nahh..these specs sound good
166 MHz bus is very acceptable..
look at the 800 mhz imacs..they cant do any better
 
oh noooo

I hope there is more to the PowerMacintosh update than a small increase. Small increases are good but not when the line is so far behind already. I guess i will continue to wait for my wallet to open but I am not giving up yet. OS X is too much to give up for some XP and cool hardware.
 
Lets be realistic people and not get everyone's hopes up(yeah, I know too late). The industry has not moved to 166Mhz bus speeds yet "officially" so I seriously doubt we're going to see Macs with that. The odds are in favor of a ddr hack like the xserve for the lowend and higher end might have something a little more catered to ddr through and through due to new G4 cpu's.
 
Yeah... no bus jump, and ddr = crap!

Go to
www.barefeats.com
They race the xserve (dual) vs the dual 1ghz PM and the xserve is NEVER faster.

Unless they go to atleast 166... ddr will do nothing for normal people. DDR needs a ddr buss
 
Oh, let's have some fun.

OK, so MacMinute and Think Secret have the numbers right. But where are all the people who were posting here last week?

Let's have some fun with this.

Obviously, these speeds are right, BUT...they won't be 7450s or 7470s.

They'll be new IBM PowerX processors!!! (remember the giant heat sink?).

A 1.3 Ghz Power4 does a pretty nice number on all the CPUs out there.

Because the G4 stumbled with lower speeds, this is Apple's opportunity to switch to a new architecture.

:cool:
 
I'm not gonna make some dumb comment about switching to Intel or whatever, but it's still disappointing. It's been about 7 months, and all we get is a 25% increase in mhz??? That's weak, no matter how you spin it. Granted, there might be other improvements under the hood to push the improvement in performance, but still...
 
Lame . . .

A lousy 200MHz increase? If it's true, this is almost as bad as the infamous 500MHz debacle. Motorolla should DIE! Apple needs to ditch them for the Power4. Who's gonna buy a system with a crippled DDR implementation and a processor that essentially hasn't evolved for 2 years? Not me.
 
9 months 25% clock speed gain

At least is not the general 20% every 6 months. I guess we have to wait till IBM comes thru to make it to 1.5-2GHZ. Everything is now depended on memory type and bus speed and memory controller. I hope its not limited to 1GB thru-put like the Xserve. But I goto say duals for $1699 cdrw is a major bargain!!
Dual 1ghz radeon 9000 superdrive for under $2500 is cool too!. The large rumored heatsink makes no sense if these are the same macbidule rumored macs cuz they use current g4 chips.
I wonder if the 1699 model uses the current motherboard or if they all share the same. I hope Apple dosnt repeat the price increase mistake they made with the IMAC.
Lowerprices mean more hardware sales and more software sales.
Higher prices mean short turn profits only and the new sheen will wear off quickly.
I cant wait till Jan 03, if the new model $2399 can hang with a dual 1.6 AMD and a 2.6 pentium unlike the current dual 1GHz and is at least 50% faster than the current dual . I will buy now after I see the benchmarks at barefeats and macspeedzone and those PC test sites.
 
I don't know what you folks were expecting... the 1.2/1.4/1.6 GHz rumors on yourdailymac.com? What a joke. Those who were hoping for this must not be long time Apple users. You were probably also disappointed in Jan '01 when the 1.2/1.4/1.6 G5 predictions didn't come true.

The 867/1.0/1.25 speeds are very consistent with what Apple has been able to produce. To make the low end a dual processor WITH L3 cache (assuming) is phenomenal. Granted, the mid- and high end at their price points are nothing spectacular, but if we have DDR 333 and FSB at 166MHz, and hopefully larger than 2MB L3 cache, I think we'll see a good speed improvement.

This is what I was expecting -- and to make the entry-level a dual is a nice touch.
 
what??!?!?

i paid 1599 for an 800mhz in feb.... now for 100 more i could have had a DUALLLL!?? wtf this is rediculous... i'm ***** pissed.....
 
ImAlwaysRight:

There's one very important reason why Apple wants the dual-867s out first (assuming the news is legitimate): education. The low-end PowerMac is commonly marketed as a solution for faculty and students in post-secondary schools... and you don't want to have the students showing up at the campus computer store, only to find that they can't get the Mac they can afford until they're already partway through the term!

That also applies to the education models - the old single 800 is a lot more viable, especially when you apply the education discount.

Let's just hope they do something with the displays too!
 
I hope these have IBM 64bit inside

I pray these are IBM's 64bit chips inside, that would be so awsome!!!
 
Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by seven5
i paid 1599 for an 800mhz in feb.... now for 100 more i could have had a DUALLLL!?? wtf this is rediculous... i'm ***** pissed.....
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Are you joking? You've had your computer for 6-7 months. If you didn't need it then, you should have waited.

A hint though - if you buy a computer now... in 6-7 months, you'll be able to get a much better computer for the same price.

It's not rocket science...

arn
 
Brightside of being underwhelmed

Well, on the bright side...

We all knew it was impossible for a Power4, new case, USB2, FireWire 2, etc... to be announced tomorrow. Too many things didn't seem ready.

This minor upgrade is in a way a good sign that the next generation Mac is coming soon.

They aren't having any special events or making a big deal out of this, it's just a minor speed bump.

Bummer that it isn't a major speed bump, but I'm glad to see that Apple isn't hyping this.
 
months have nothing to do with it, this is just ONE update to the product line, when i bought my machine a dual cpu computer was 3000+, not 100 bucks more...a dual 867 is EXTREMELY better than my 800, were not talking aobut just the extra 67 mhz.... don't give me that, "thats the computer industry" bulls*t, i've been in it long enough to accept that, but when running an operating system that cna be SOOO much better with duals, it makes me sick to my stomach....i would never had expected this kind of deal so fast....
 
Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by seven5
i paid 1599 for an 800mhz in feb.... now for 100 more i could have had a DUALLLL!?? wtf this is rediculous... i'm ***** pissed.....
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My advice to you is to never buy another computer again.
 
Re: Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by arn


Are you joking? You've had your computer for 6-7 months. If you didn't need it then, you should have waited.

A hint though - if you buy a computer now... in 6-7 months, you'll be able to get a much better computer for the same price.

It's not rocket science...

arn
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Good point, arn. I was just going to say the same thing.

Here's a buyer's tip: Go to www.apple.com as fast as your mouse and internet connection will take you and order an dual 1GHz now. You'll get bumped up to the dual 1.25GHz tomorrow, but will be locked in at the $2999 price.

I'm an edu customer, so I was able to order a dual 1GHz w/17-inch LCD for $3218 after taking off for the current promotion ($2699 + $919 w/$400 off). So I'll get a 17-inch LCD and new dual 1.25 for $3218. Pretty sweet. Of course, this is for institutional use ;-)
 
Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by seven5
i paid 1599 for an 800mhz in feb.... now for 100 more i could have had a DUALLLL!?? wtf this is rediculous... i'm ***** pissed.....
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That's the nature of the beast, buddy. :p

Oh, and you're getting all worked up on rumors... wait until they actually release the new PMs before you seek vengeance...
 
Originally posted by Cappy
Lets be realistic people and not get everyone's hopes up(yeah, I know too late). The industry has not moved to 166Mhz bus speeds yet "officially" so I seriously doubt we're going to see Macs with that.
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Uh, 333 DDR is pretty much the standard on the current generation of Athlon boards, so how is a 166MHz bus so strange?
 
This is what will get Windows idiots to shut up:

-Dual 2.7GHz G4 or G5 CPU (faster than the fastest P4)
-333MHz DDR expandable to at least 2GB (most good PC mobos support this)
-An amazing mobo architecture incorporating an NForce2 and HyperTransport

Probably not going to happen tommorow...
:( :(
I would buy one, though:D
 
'I'malwaysright'

Do you really think that will work?

I highly doubt it......Some guys on a share website saw a dell 22" flat screen (something like that anyway) monitor mistakingly priced on their website. Some ordered 10x. Needless to say it never came off....
 
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