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PowerMac Specs...

I truly hope the top end 1.25Ghz is wayyy wrong!!

Originally posted by mr evil brkfast
I think that if these specs are true, there will be a lot of unhappy people out there!

I guess, to look on the bright side, they are all dual machines.
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:confused:

I know I'll be very unsatisfied too if the best they can come up with is a dual 1.25Mhz G4.

How many years have we waited for the flamin' G5? I'm getting a lot like Steve Jobs now.

I also like to have options... plenty of options. Take this as my own obsure hint.

I control the purchases for my household, and the art dept at my high school, and please make me a happy customer, again... like the good ol' days.
 
Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by seven5
i paid 1599 for an 800mhz in feb.... now for 100 more i could have had a DUALLLL!?? wtf this is rediculous... i'm ***** pissed.....
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I paid $3000 for a dual 1GHz in Feb - I'm pleasantly surprised it's taken six months for it to cease to be the high-end desktop machine. In the PC world it would have been obsolete in some respect within a month.

If you buy a computer, prepare for it to become obsolete. Alternatively, you could always wait six months and find out what's out then, but of course by then there'll be another generation coming down the line in just a few months. At some point you just have to put the money down and live with your decision.

I feel sorry for anyone who bought an 800MHz in July, although anyone keeping their eyes on the rumors in July should have known there was *something* coming in August. February though? Nah.
 
Re: Re: Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight


Good point, arn. I was just going to say the same thing.

Here's a buyer's tip: Go to www.apple.com as fast as your mouse and internet connection will take you and order an dual 1GHz now. You'll get bumped up to the dual 1.25GHz tomorrow, but will be locked in at the $2999 price.

I'm an edu customer, so I was able to order a dual 1GHz w/17-inch LCD for $3218 after taking off for the current promotion ($2699 + $919 w/$400 off). So I'll get a 17-inch LCD and new dual 1.25 for $3218. Pretty sweet. Of course, this is for institutional use ;-)
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Aloha,
How do you know this to be true ?? and is this fact ?? I am eligible for educational products and was gonna buy soon..

thx,
Mark
 
Originally posted by Horne
'I'malwaysright'

Do you really think that will work?

I highly doubt it......Some guys on a share website saw a dell 22" flat screen (something like that anyway) monitor mistakingly priced on their website. Some ordered 10x. Needless to say it never came off....
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It's worked that way before.
 
Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by seven5
i paid 1599 for an 800mhz in feb.... now for 100 more i could have had a DUALLLL!?? wtf this is rediculous... i'm ***** pissed.....
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I'm getting a dualllly....mid level...yes I knew I should have waited....sorry about you thow
 
Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight
from the article at MacMinute:
The dual-867MHz configuration is slated to ship by the end of the week, while the new dual-1GHz model will ship towards the end of the month. Availability of the high-end dual-1.25GHz model is being pegged at sometime in September.

Why does it take so long to ship a stinking dual 1GHz? We've had these since January. Pete's sake. Get the high end out first (like Apple did with the iMac G4 in January). Why peddle the low-end first?
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The Dual 867 (133x6.5) is going to have a PPC 7450 with a 133mhz Bus and PC133 SDRAM

The new Dual 1ghz (166x6) and 1.25ghz (166x7.5) are going to use a PPC 7470 with a 166mhz bus and PC333 DDR SDRAM.

The new 1ghz G4 and the old 1 ghz G4 are not the same chip.
 
I'm currently using a 3 year old 500mhz G4 and whenever people see it and use it they think it's alot faster and cooler (granted my Cinema Display and sound sticks help) than their Wintel machines (which are ussually newer machines). They all comment that apps like IE and Office appear to be faster on my Mac and they're always amazed that my Mac has only crashed three times since I got it (two of those crashes were harddrive crashes). Why am I sharing this with you, well, I think that sometimes we forget that a Mac is greater than the sum of all it's parts.

Just remember that tomorrow when we all complain about what Apple releases. It may not stack up against the Wintel world, but then again on paper neither does a Sun box, but they are better machines too.

Whatever
 
867 w/ 166Mhz bus? Nope..

According to my calculator, 867/166=5.222891.... which doesn't sound like a multiplier that apple would use. While the actual numbers are really 866.666666 and 166.6666, it comes out to about 5.2. Not a possible multiplier, and apple could only do it if they didn't include the faster bus in the low end, which i don't think they've been taking all this time to do.
 
Can I go slightly OT on this one?....

Regarding educational prices on the Apple website:

I am a teacher in the UK, but I do not have authorization to buy new Macs.
From what i gathered on the Apple website was that I was eligable for a couple of offers, ie: An 800 PM for a saving of about £80/$120 ish. THAT WAS IT!

Are people who are buying dual gigs in the hope of a 1.25 for the same price authorized dealers for education establishments, or just students/teachers?

Thanks people....

Horne
 
Originally posted by Horne
Can I go slightly OT on this one?....

Regarding educational prices on the Apple website:

I am a teacher in the UK, but I do not have authorization to buy new Macs.
From what i gathered on the Apple website was that I was eligable for a couple of offers, ie: An 800 PM for a saving of about £80/$120 ish. THAT WAS IT!

Are people who are buying dual gigs in the hope of a 1.25 for the same price authorized dealers for education establishments, or just students/teachers?
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I am guessing that they are using the higher education faculty and staff choice from the education page, and not the institution one. The faculty and staff limits you to one desktop and one laptop per academic year.
 
Re: 867 w/ 166Mhz bus? Nope..

Originally posted by bobindashadows
According to my calculator, 867/166=5.222891.... which doesn't sound like a multiplier that apple would use. While the actual numbers are really 866.666666 and 166.6666, it comes out to about 5.2. Not a possible multiplier, and apple could only do it if they didn't include the faster bus in the low end, which i don't think they've been taking all this time to do.
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867/133=6.5
Obviously,and according to MacMinute they will have 133 MHz bus.
Apple always puts something much slower in low-end models.
New dual gig seems like a fair deal to me.
 
Does anyone else realize that the filemaker user conference is going on right now. I wonder if they will announce the new machines there.
 
Why is everyone so upset?

Everyone was so estatic when they thought YDM's guesses were right... but the same people are upset with the new ones- why?

I realize the top of the line machine isn't quite what was hoped- Dual 1.6 down to a 1.25... but look at the other 2 configs!

I don't know about you- but I would eagerly prefer a Dual 1GHz to a single 1.4GHz chip.
But then, maybe it's just me.

Especially with 10.2 optimizing on Duals...

just my .02


Anyone?
 
Re: Why is everyone so upset?

Originally posted by cyks
Everyone was so estatic when they thought YDM's guesses were right... but the same people are upset with the new ones- why?

I realize the top of the line machine isn't quite what was hoped- Dual 1.6 down to a 1.25... but look at the other 2 configs!

I don't know about you- but I would eagerly prefer a Dual 1GHz to a single 1.4GHz chip.
But then, maybe it's just me.
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yep... people... let's go through this:

Dual 867 vs 1.2ghz G4
The Dual is the better machine under OS X

Dual 1ghz vs 1.4ghz G4
The Dual is the better machine under OS X

arn
 
over price?

Man, 1.25 ghz for 3299...I can get a PC dual 2.0 ghz for that same price...I really hate Apple computer! It is a better be DDR...Man!!!
 
Not to go off topic but...

Originally posted by awrc


Uh, 333 DDR is pretty much the standard on the current generation of Athlon boards, so how is a 166MHz bus so strange?
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As quoted on the AMD site
266MHz AMD Athlon™ XP processor system bus

If I'm not mistaken this is a 133x2 system bus, not a 166x2 system bus. The bus on the XPs can be overclocked to 166 but that's neither here nor there.

back on topic...

An all dual line-up would be a nice consolation prize for the power hungry Mac fan. Couple than with all of the improvements in OS X10.2 and hopefully full DDR support, it would make for one hell of a PowerMac. (emphasis on Power)
 
Re: Re: Re: what??!?!?

Originally posted by ImAlwaysRight


Good point, arn. I was just going to say the same thing.

Here's a buyer's tip: Go to www.apple.com as fast as your mouse and internet connection will take you and order an dual 1GHz now. You'll get bumped up to the dual 1.25GHz tomorrow, but will be locked in at the $2999 price.

I'm an edu customer, so I was able to order a dual 1GHz w/17-inch LCD for $3218 after taking off for the current promotion ($2699 + $919 w/$400 off). So I'll get a 17-inch LCD and new dual 1.25 for $3218. Pretty sweet. Of course, this is for institutional use ;-)
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I say give it a shot but don't get your hopes up. When the Tibooks got updated to the combo-drives a friend of mine had ordered one about 4 days before then an was updated to the combo-drive. There however was no change in price or other specs.

With your technique, I'd bet that you still get the dual 1GHz at the lower price instead of the dual 1.25GHz for less.
 
Originally posted by whatever
I'm currently using a 3 year old 500mhz G4 and whenever people see it and use it they think it's alot faster and cooler (granted my Cinema Display and sound sticks help) than their Wintel machines (which are ussually newer machines). They all comment that apps like IE and Office appear to be faster on my Mac and they're always amazed that my Mac has only crashed three times since I got it (two of those crashes were harddrive crashes). Why am I sharing this with you, well, I think that sometimes we forget that a Mac is greater than the sum of all it's parts.

Just remember that tomorrow when we all complain about what Apple releases. It may not stack up against the Wintel world, but then again on paper neither does a Sun box, but they are better machines too.

Whatever
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hear! hear!

Originally posted by arn
Dual 867 vs 1.2ghz G4
The Dual is the better machine under OS X

Dual 1ghz vs 1.4ghz G4
The Dual is the better machine under OS X
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amen

i love my 500Mhz iBook and wouldn't give it up for an athlon or intel 2ghz machine. it's as simple as that, we have better machines with better software.

people have said it here before, sun and sgi make killer machines but don't have uber ghz cpus. get over the megahertz myth. numbers are not everything. if they were no one would still be buying macs
 
G4 VS Wintel

No one talks about sound issues here which i find quite important in the whole user experience realm.

I AM TALKING ABOUT FAN NOISE.

I have always been MAC, am 100% macaddict, but have had wintels for cross checking web work that I do. Recently I can't get over how quiet my 1.8 pentium is while my g4 867 sounds like a 737 taking off. Is there anyone out there in the same boat as me and/or does anyone think these new g4 machines will be quieter?

Thanks All
Jason

oh and PS if the deal on preordering the old G4 for a new 1.2 exchange works I am down with it my wife is a teacher. If you know anything please email me jason@redwooddesign.com
 
Instead of stealing somebody else's thoughts, I'll just quote SkullMac from this thread in the AppleInsider boards. In summary, tomorrow will be a Yikes!-type situation with the old 133Mhz bus on the low-end model and a new 166Mhz bus on the mid-range and high-end PowerMac.

Originally posted by SkullMac:
Alright, a bit of speculation on my part in regards to the MacMinute specs, but bear with me.

As for the current bus speed ratios:
800/133 = 6
933/133 = 7
1000/133 = 7.5

As for the upcoming ratios, let's try a 133 MHz bus speed.
867/133 = 6.5 (this works)
1000/133 = 7.5 (again, this works)
1250/133 9.39 (this doesn't work, it'd have to be either a 1197MHz or 1264MHz G4. I doubt they would short change themselves and round 1264MHz down to 1250.)

What about a 166 MHz bus?
867/166 = 5.22 (nope)
1000/166 = 6 (this works)
1250/166 = 7.5 (works as well)

What does this mean? If the proc speeds reported by MacMinute are 100% correct, then the following points hold:
- The 867 machine MUST have a 133 MHz bus, or some multiple thereof (i.e. 266)
- The 1000 machine can have a bus of either 133 or 166 or a multiple thereof (i.e. 333)
- The 1250 machine must have a bus of 166 or a multiple thereof (i.e. 333).
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EDIT: In short, 333 DDR RAM is almost guaranteed in the 1250 model.
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Escher
 
Originally posted by i_b_joshua
people have said it here before, sun and sgi make killer machines but don't have uber ghz cpus. get over the megahertz myth. numbers are not everything. if they were no one would still be buying macs
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Sun Blade 2000 workstation
--up to 2x1050MHz UltraSPARC® III Cu processors
--starting at ~$11,000 with 1 900MHz cpu

Sgi workstations
--up to 2x600MHz R14000A processors
--starting at ~$11,000 for entry level computer with single 500MHz R14000A processor

IMB Power4 up to 1.3 GHz
--1GHz Power4 sever starting at $12,495

These are some of the real heavy hitters in the workstation/server markets.

MHz/GHz isn't everything.

Granted the current crop of PowerMacs aren't the fastest machines in benchmarks, but as I stated before...

An all dual line-up would be a nice consolation prize for the power hungry Mac fan. Couple than with all of the improvements in OS X10.2 and hopefully full DDR support, it would make for one hell of a PowerMac. (emphasis on Power)
 
Guess this explains the iMac

And why there was no speed bump at MWNY. If the low end tower is 867, even if it's dual, it would be poor marketing if the iMac was much faster in raw Mhz. Hopefully that doesn't mean it will be forever before the iMacs are updated. At least give them a f*cking L3 cache!

Let's hope the PowerBook is next in line for a substantial upgrade, not that 250Mhz and $300 is a substantial upgrade.
 
Originally posted by BenRoethig

The new Dual 1ghz (166x6) and 1.25ghz (166x7.5) are going to use a PPC 7470 with a 166mhz bus and PC333 DDR SDRAM.
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Maybe, maybe not. ThinkSecret and others are predicting that the top of the line will be a 1.2Ghz and not a 1.25Ghz. I think a 1.2Ghz processor makes more sense because it makes less of an impact on both Apple and Motorola. If you go with 1.2Ghz, then both the PowerMacs and Xserve use the same memory. It also means that Motorola simply changes to a DDR FSB instead of making both the change to DDR FSB and an FSB speed increase.

Either way, I hope the rumors pan out. I think this is good news. The people expecting an uber upgrade with no media event to back it up were deluding themselves. Do you really think Apple would introduce dual 1.6Ghz G4s in all new cases or a 64-bit PowerPC processor from IBM with only just a press release? Please, those are upgrades you want to showcase at a MacWorld event.
 
Don't get too worked up, those that are complaining around here:

A Dual 1.25Ghz G4 with 166x2 bus would quite easily be an equal for a circa 3Ghz P1V.
Motorola is not about to make some giant performance leap. (Granted, if they could actually make fast chips, we would see a 1.6Ghz G4 dual ****ting all over a PIV)

You should not be complaining that Apple will release a machine that can compete with the top end of the Wintel world, when as mentioned you are not just buying a speedy machine when you buy a Mac.

Hopefully, we will see in the next 6 months/year some advances that will take Apple into the lead, though don't expect to see machines "twice as fast as anything in the Wintel world", it just ain't feasible.
 
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