PR Experts: iPhone 4 Hardware Recall is "Inevitable"

yo, juan.... maybe you need to go back to school and take a reading comprehension course? where did i ever say in my post that i hated my phone? UHM.... NOWHERE! as a matter of fact... i said i loved it's potential....

and i never said i was an rf engineer or expert... and i'm thinking neither are you....

Sorry, I mistook your large, incoherent ALL CAPS rant for something else then. My apologies. I guess I do not understand the "I love it...yet I'm going to b-ch about it" mentality.

Correct, I am not an RF engineer. (historian, actually) However, I do know something about science and empirical data which you clearly do not, and completely missed. :rolleyes:
 
You're correct. Everyone with a funk phone should just keep it and never consider returning it and assume there will be a recall.

You know what I meant man- any normal store would take back a defected product, be it food or electronics. I'm not talking about distributors and their relationships with manufacturing. I'm saying I wouldn't settle for a product that is not in working order, and neither should any of you. If it's not working up to snuff you need to return it.

I agree 100%. I personally feel there should be a recall.
 
I want to return it but I can't, because I had to replace it due to dead pixels. Replacement = new serial = cannot be returned

FML!
 
Correct, I am not an RF engineer. (historian, actually) However, I do know something about science and empirical data which you clearly do not, and completely missed. :rolleyes:

Again - oh the hypocrisy. Sorry - but you're credibility is no better than anyone else's when it comes to talking about RF, etc.
 
Sorry, I mistook your large, incoherent ALL CAPS rant for something else then. My apologies. I guess I do not understand the "I love it...yet I'm going to b-ch about it" mentality.

Correct, I am not an RF engineer. (historian, actually) However, I do know something about science and empirical data which you clearly do not, and completely missed. :rolleyes:

dude...... you have issues..... my post is most certainly NOT all caps.....

how the hell is software going to fix it? i don't give a damn about how many bars i see.... take them all away for all i care..... but when i hold my iphone4 the SAME EXACT WAY I HELD MY 3GS FOR THE PAST YEAR.... all of the sudden i lose the ability to connect to data/internet...???????? that's not a software issue..... it's a hardware issue! UGH..... fanboys.... :mad:

i discovered MY issue on my own..... i hadn't read anything about it when it first happened.... i came here to report and it found out it had already exploded.... i'm really sick and tired of the posters that try to say this is all exaggerated... in our heads.... etc.... apple ****ED up! they need to fix it! i still love all the things that my iphone 4 has the potential to do.... but apple needs to step up to the plate and FIX IT!

whatever, jose..... i'm done arguing with you....
 
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Here's science for you:

I hold the phone in my hand, it doesn't work as a cellular phone.

I put it on the table and make a call, it works as a cellular phone.

I pick it up again, it doesn't work as a cellular phone.

Conclusion: "It's the antenna, stupid. It's borked..."

People are making way too much of this "science" crap, really. The phones are borked, if you haven't experienced issues fantastic, you're in a signal overload situation more often than not, get into a low signal area (because they do exist) and I can practically guarantee you'll experience problems to some degree.

As has been so often noted with the Toyota brake issue analogy, it doesn't matter if every brake system failed on every Toyota, the potential for the issue (and the cases where it did fail) indicated a flaw in the design and functionality, hence a recall of ALL of them was required.

This is no different in reality - just because you (whoever you are) may not have experienced problems, that only means you haven't yet. The potential is there, so ALL of them are affected, hence ALL of them should be recalled.

Apple doesn't like it, and customers don't like it either, but that's just how things go sometimes. Apple doesn't have a spotless perfect record even in spite of their claims and marketing propaganda, but this time things are seriously wrong and they need to be addressed, quickly.

Even if they had to replace 2 million phones, it's a drop in the bucket to them, seriously. It's nothing in the big scheme of things, absolutely nothing at all. Few billion and change, nothing... they've been on a ~40% profit margin since 1979, let 'em use some of those billions to fix this fiasco and fast.
 
What do you all expect a recall to accomplish? Apple has been struggling to keep up with demand for the ~2M phones sold already. It's not like everyone can just head to the Apple Store for a swap. It would take months to produce enough replacements for all the current customers. And the cost of replacing 2M phones would seriously damage Apple.

The more likely solution will be for Apple to send all affected customers a free bumper case (like Nintendo did for the Wii after all the early adopters busted up themselves or their houses by losing their grip on the remotes) or (an even cheaper) plastic "skin" that would wrap the metal part of the case. Apple would then release a modified model asap to patch the problem until iPhone 5 debuts next year with a redesigned antenna system.

If you are expecting Apple to give you a brand new phone... Hahahahaha!!!
 
Putting a £2 piece of rubber around a £600 phone is not a GOOD LONGTERM fix. It may "fix" the problem in your eyes, but I wouldn't buy a convertable car that doesn't start when the roof is down, and then accept the "you must always drive it with the roof up" fix... would you?

2 quid for a piece of rubber? damn, must be some rubber!
 
Again - oh the hypocrisy. Sorry - but you're credibility is no better than anyone else's when it comes to talking about RF, etc.

Never claimed to be more qualified, only more educated on RF and the comments by and for actual experts.

Even and idiot can spot an idiot. ;)
 
I hope they recall it because I really like the phone, but if I keep having these reception issues I'll definitely have to return it on the 29th day. I can't speak for everyone but I know for a fact that when I hold my phone normally the signal drops like crazy. I've owned a few 3G's and 3GS's and have never experienced that holding the phone the SAME way. I'm buying a case soon and that may help, but that doesn't matter. It's the principle. Why should I need a case to make calls? I purchased this phone to make calls but I can't seem to find the app for that.
 
All this credential stuff is nonsense.

You don't have to be an RF engineer to recognize a dropped call. You don't have to explain the problem to have the problem.

It's a phone. It should work like every other phone on the market. Stop making excuses.
 
I wish those who haven't experienced are dropped calls/lost data connectivity because of the antenna design would please stop all this great coverage stuff. If/when you traverse from those large cities where AT&T coverage is so great, you will find weak signal strength WILL affect your IP4 too! Mobile=the ability to move from one lcation to another.

So you are saying that when using a cell phone in an area with a weaker signal, you will, potentially experience worse coverage and call success?
 
Yeah, I don't like a guy taking pot-shots at someone who has obviously DONE some testing, when he hasn't done any testing himself.

If he really wants to impress me, he should DO the testing, in the manner he describes. If he needs some money for it -- ask. I'll be happy to donate some money to help him set up some serious, legitimate testing.

For his sake, I fear he's going to find that all the people who have already tested the iPhone 4's antenna are correct -- the design IS flawed.

CR's testing is flawed in all sorts of ways. Nothing wrong with calling them on it.

Reporting flawed testing like they did is WORSE than not doing anything at all.
 
CR's testing is flawed in all sorts of ways. Nothing wrong with calling them on it.

Reporting flawed testing like they did is WORSE than not doing anything at all.

Do you really need the CR tests to realize there is a problem with the phone?

You know how I know there's a problem with it?...I can't use it like a normal phone.
 
Has Apple ever officially recalled anything? I know they didn't recall Macbook Pros when the video subsystems burned out, instead opting to either replace them entirely or replace the motherboard as people brought them to Apple. As I recall there have been several calls for outright, official recalls for those but I don't recall it ever happening. If they were going to do anything, it would probably be something like that. People that claim they have no problems do nothing. No need to defend a company that doesn't know they exist, no need to insult those who do claim to have the problem, how simple is that? Those that do take them to Apple, say "it keeps dropping calls" and it's replaced by one that's been corrected. Apple gets away with it yet again and everyone is happy.

Oops, my mistake. They not only didn't recall Macbook Pros, they denied the video problem existed while repairing or replacing them for the problem. Sounds even more familiar...
 
Do you really need the CR tests to realize there is a problem with the phone?

You know how I know there's a problem with it?...I can't use it like a normal phone.

But lots of people can.

Apple has said they do not see a problem.

It is stupid to have to keep repeating this over and over but I will.

If the phone can not make normal calls and work normally for you RETURN IT.

They are not going to have a freaking recall.

I don't want to have to wade through the crab-eyed posts on these forums when people start blaming everyone else but themselves for not returning their phone in time.
 
But lots of people can.

Apple has said they do not see a problem.

It is stupid to have to keep repeating this over and over but I will.

If the phone can not make normal calls and work normally for you RETURN IT.

They are not going to have a freaking recall.

I don't want to have to wade through the crab-eyed posts on these forums when people start blaming everyone else but themselves for not returning their phone in time.

I plan on it. I know a lot of people aren't seeing these problems but you can't ignore the masses that do have these issues. If Apple doesn't address this by my 30 day return policy, I will return it.
 
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We can't return our phones here in Japan, it's not an option. So maybe Apple can do country-specific recalls?
 
I don't want to have to wade through the crab-eyed posts on these forums when people start blaming everyone else but themselves for not returning their phone in time.

Marksman has me on ignore - but that's ok - this is worth writing...

Guess what? Just like people have an option to return or not return - you have an option to visit or not visit - or read/not read posts at any time.

Oh the hypocrisy when you THINK you're being "helpful"
 
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