MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A LAW! IF UR TOO F*CKIN STUPID TO USE A IPHONE, YOU CANT BUY ONE!
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PR Experts Suggest iPhone 4 Recall 'Inevitable' as Antenna Issue Snowballs
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MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A LAW! IF UR TOO F*CKIN STUPID TO USE A IPHONE, YOU CANT BUY ONE!
can't agree more with you, it is mostly is where apple put the antenna not the antenna itself.
It just works now - but aren't you anxious that there's a fundamental design flaw in your device? I would be nervous if I had just bought an iPhone 4.
glad i'm not the only one calling these tools out.
"hey, look, I'm an apple shareholder, so my opinions and what i post here hold more weight" ...."by the way, I own 2 shares of AAPL stock!"
so stupid
Judicious use of the "ignore" function has made MacRumors much more relaxing for me. YMMV...
Excuses. If it were an Android phone, you would be decrying to lack of genius design principles.
PR, any PR good or bad is great for any company...duh......
**** MS, built it's reputation on it.
**** MS, built it's reputation on it.
No, the primary responsibility of Apple is to make great products. Without those first and foremost you would have no chance of affecting stock for shareholders.
Surely you appreciate that first and foremost a company must be successful, and to do this the primary focus is on making great products for people.
If the products are good then people buy them and THEN stock is affected.
A defense of Apple is not, by definition, reflexive. Well, it may be in many cases here, but not in all cases. This absolutely is a design flaw, but this design choice also does some rather incredible things for the iPhone's ability to maintain a clear call with a poor signal. In practice, it is a better and more reliable phone than each previous model. So yeah, some folksespeically those who actually own the thing, and find themselves wondering 'WTF?' as they see all these reactionsdo have reason to chime in and say, well, "WTF?"I just don't get the reflexive defense ofon this. the 3G does not have this problem, the 4 does. Why not just admit
I think the really interesting question is finding out what motivates them. Seeing the typical responses here reminds me of a bunch of Jr. High students teasing another simply because that's what other students have directed them to do. Part of me wants to believe that there are mature people hereand I see them occasionally chime inbut I think the ones with the loudest mouths often-times manage to scream loud enough to drown them out.
Maybe they're just bent out of shape because the iPhone 4 doesn't have Blu-Ray? Who knows. As for the Android users, that reminds me of the way people get when they're on one side of a brand decision (e.g. XBox 360 vs. PS3). They're invested in one and can't jump easily to the other (not unusual when we're talking about hundreds of dollars for most people) so they feel a need to hype up their product, probably more for themselves than for any benefit to others, and that leads to them wasting their time bashing Apple here, despite knowing absolutely nothing material about the device. They need jobsor something productive. I wonder if there are a similar group of children bashing the Android in Android forums?
Eh, nothing new. They were probably comparing Bush or Obama to Hitler the other night (if not the person arguing with them in a discussion forum). The best part is that they probably never stop to realize how retarded the words coming out of their mouths are.
Now, some might be making the comparison from an investor's standpoint, but expecting the antenna issue to impact AAPL in the way brakes impacted Toyota is just misinformed at best, moronic at worst. Toyota took such a hit (note that what was thrown at them was completely blown out of proportion by the media and even the US government despite a real problem) because their problem 1) tied directly in to their sole product, cars, and 2) because it actually involved the safety of human lives.
I think Apple makes some of the most elegant products around, but their arrogance is and has always been disgusting. Apple loves to represent itself as the so called hip, cool, anti-establishment company, but you can see their heavy handed, arrogant, and true attitude in their actions like deleting posts from their support forums. Its a practice long employed by Apple.
If your post is too critical, there is a good chance it will be deleted and you will receive an email warning that your support account may be terminated if you dont change your ways. When MobileMe was released, it was a complete fiasco. Many people complained via the Apple forums and subsequently had their posts deleted as well as receiving a warning email that their account may be terminated.
Apples position has been that their support forums are a place to ask questions and receive answers, but support forums are also a place to point out problems in the pursuit of seeking answers. True, sometimes a support forum thread can descend into a bitch session. This is going to happen and is simply part of an open, unfettered discussion. Instead of deleting posts, Apple should have the guts to face their critics directly instead of telling them to hold the phone in a different manor and deleting posts.
If your post is too critical, there is a good chance it will be deleted and you will receive an email warning that your support account may be terminated if you dont change your ways. When MobileMe was released, it was a complete fiasco. Many people complained via the Apple forums and subsequently had their posts deleted as well as receiving a warning email that their account may be terminated.
Apples position has been that their support forums are a place to ask questions and receive answers, but support forums are also a place to point out problems in the pursuit of seeking answers. True, sometimes a support forum thread can descend into a bitch session. This is going to happen and is simply part of an open, unfettered discussion. Instead of deleting posts, Apple should have the guts to face their critics directly instead of telling them to hold the phone in a different manor and deleting posts.
I can reproduce the signal reduction issue.
In the 3 weeks since I've had my phone, NOT ONCE has it been a factor for me. I hold my phone with my left hand.
In the 3 weeks since I've had my phone, NOT ONCE has it been a factor for me. I hold my phone with my left hand.
I've decided i'm returning my iPhone 4 and getting a Droid X because when i buy a $200 phone i only want 8GB memory and a mediocre camera. I want to spend $100 on a 32gb memory card so i can finally say that i have as much memory as an iPhone 4. Then i want the freedom to access countless and potentially hazardous third-party apps. I'm getting a Droid X because I love shotty UI. Oh yeah. It can make a call too so that makes it better
I've decided i'm returning my iPhone 4 and getting a Droid X because when i buy a $200 phone i only want 8GB memory and a mediocre camera. I want to spend $100 on a 32gb memory card so i can finally say that i have as much memory as an iPhone 4. Then i want the freedom to access countless and potentially hazardous third-party apps. I'm getting a Droid X because I love shotty UI. Oh yeah. It can make a call too so that makes it better
GOOD, MODESTFORUMNAME, YOU DONT DESERVE TO HAVE ONE!
3 in my case...tom-tom uk, tom-tom Europe and omnifocus. I use all 3 and quite a few others. Then there's MobileMe as well of course...
+1
But good luck, dude (dudette?)there's probably eight whiners who don't own the thing for every one that is silly enough to waste their time chiming in here.
This problem is likely overblown; however, it's gotten to the point that the perception is more important than the reality anyway. Apple is going to have to fix this now, there is too much negative momentum. All I know is my Apple stock is getting hammered the last couple days and it's entirely because of this stupid antenna issue. Using some of that $40B+ to recall these phones and fix it will hurt them a lot less than the PR hit they'll take if they let this drag on, especially into the holiday season. They don't seem to have any other use for that giant cash pile anyway, might as well use it to restore their image.
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I'm not saying my anecdotes are proving there isn't an issue. I'm sure there is one, as those tests from the tech folks prove. It just hasn't affected me or any of my FaceTime buddies at all. And in terms of signal strength, we definitely have a very mixed bag with O2, Vodafone customers amongst us. A couple never get Edge at home, some full 3G.
I saw a post a while back about proving we don't have the issue. I'll try filming it on one iPhone 4 with a friend's iPhone 4 and YouTube it. Or I could do something worthwhile instead right?! :O)
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I'm not saying my anecdotes are proving there isn't an issue. I'm sure there is one, as those tests from the tech folks prove. It just hasn't affected me or any of my FaceTime buddies at all. And in terms of signal strength, we definitely have a very mixed bag with O2, Vodafone customers amongst us. A couple never get Edge at home, some full 3G.
I saw a post a while back about proving we don't have the issue. I'll try filming it on one iPhone 4 with a friend's iPhone 4 and YouTube it. Or I could do something worthwhile instead right?! :O)
I think my favorite part about Apple being scum bags is the fact that they said that there isn't a problem and a software update will help show the bars better. So the people who were going to return it, wait for the update. I figured it'd be about a week or two, now it seems like they are waiting for a month to go by that way no one can return it when the update doesn't help any. Thanks Apple, I'm still not going to buy your crappy bumper.
Recall is the only fair, straight forward and pro way of dealing with this one...
Sooner they do it - better it will be
Sooner they do it - better it will be
Why don't use just return it? I'm being serious here and not trying to start a flame war. That way if it never gets a fix then you're not out. If it does then go get the new improved iP4.
Yeah, it might be heading to that point.
I think your perception of this is dead on.
The Apple and iPhone brands are what's taking a material beating here.
Why would they recall a product that can be returned if you dont like it? Its part of how the phone functions and its not hurting anyone. If you dont like it then return it. Guess what, most people will keep it because it doesnt matter day to day to anyone who has a case or holds it in a certain way. If you dont like it then dont buy it or return it. There is no safety issue so why recall it?
Actually, you can put out a mediocre product and still be profitable, as long as you market the product to the right audience.
For example, McDonald's Corporation does this very well.