GOOD, MODESTFORUMNAME, YOU DONT DESERVE TO HAVE ONE!
twas sarcasm. I love my iPhone 4 and have had 0 issues with it. except that one time i was testing out a bomb shelter. terrible signal
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PR Experts Suggest iPhone 4 Recall 'Inevitable' as Antenna Issue Snowballs
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twas sarcasm. I love my iPhone 4 and have had 0 issues with it. except that one time i was testing out a bomb shelter. terrible signal
Do you realize that if they have a strong enough signal, that despite death grip attenuation the bars will stay at 4 or 5 bars?!?
It is not a "bad batch". I can not reproduce this problem at work or home. But when at my in-laws where my signal is not that strong I can easily reproduce the problem.
HE'S GOT A SMALL MIND, AND SMALL **** LOL! NUFF SAID! AT LEAST MAKE HIM FEEL BIG ONCE!
In my experience, when it comes to recalls... actual RECALLS... there's usually a driving factor surrounding the safety of a product.
The iPhone 4 isn't being called an unsafe product. It is being called a product with what appears to be an antenna design flaw. Or at least, that's the case with some of the phones. Nobody can say for sure whether it is the case with all of the phones. Many here say that their phones are working fine. Others say that they experience some signal problems, but nothing that prevents them from wanting to keep the phone. Others really are dissatisfied.
Soo... I cannot see the benefit of a recall. A voluntary replacement plan (once Apple sorts out the antenna issue) would seem reasonable enough.
Allowing people to return their phones for a full refund. That's reasonable enough.
Nowhere in the laws of this country does it state that a company MUST create a flawless product because the public demands it.
Apple is only obliged to give people their money back (within a reasonable timeframe).
As far as PR and goodwill go:
Yes. Apple should appease the masses. It would seem that that would pull them out of this smelling like the proverbial roses that they would like to be.
I still don't think a full-scale recall will ever happen. I think it will be a replacement/repair sort of deal. Or a refund, if people are just plain old unhappy.
If we start to hear about people becoming injured in some way, yeah, maybe then there will be a recall. Otherwise. Uh... no.
The iPhone 4 isn't being called an unsafe product. It is being called a product with what appears to be an antenna design flaw. Or at least, that's the case with some of the phones. Nobody can say for sure whether it is the case with all of the phones. Many here say that their phones are working fine. Others say that they experience some signal problems, but nothing that prevents them from wanting to keep the phone. Others really are dissatisfied.
Soo... I cannot see the benefit of a recall. A voluntary replacement plan (once Apple sorts out the antenna issue) would seem reasonable enough.
Allowing people to return their phones for a full refund. That's reasonable enough.
Nowhere in the laws of this country does it state that a company MUST create a flawless product because the public demands it.
Apple is only obliged to give people their money back (within a reasonable timeframe).
As far as PR and goodwill go:
Yes. Apple should appease the masses. It would seem that that would pull them out of this smelling like the proverbial roses that they would like to be.
I still don't think a full-scale recall will ever happen. I think it will be a replacement/repair sort of deal. Or a refund, if people are just plain old unhappy.
If we start to hear about people becoming injured in some way, yeah, maybe then there will be a recall. Otherwise. Uh... no.
This makes a lot of sense to me. Apple won't admit such fundamental screw up, but they'll be doing their damnedest to reduce its effect while not having to shell out for a product recall of probably by now say 3 million units and to change the manufacturing process too. I'll eagerly be awaiting what the outcome of the software update, and the subsequent re-testing of the device 'in the labs'.
True. From my Apple ][ to my first day Mac and to today I've only really had Apple products. This one is flawed - simple as that. They are big boys, they need to 'fes up and fix the issue. It's as simple as I had no dropped call issues with my 3GS from my home and from the first call with the iP4 I did. No I don't generally buy cases and yes if the phone requires one I expect there to be one in the box.
Pretending there is no problem when something happens will no longer work, they need to 'think different', you know, open and honest.
I've been having major problems with the proximity sensor... although none with the antenna. The screen will go on and off when I'm talking on the phone. On two occasions it has even tried to merge the call with someone else in my contacts. It has put people on hold, it has turned on speaker phone, it has started browsing the web, all while I'm on the phone, without warning. It's come to the point that I use the headset for long phone calls because I don't want to deal with it. I really hope this can be fixed in a software update. This, in my opinion, is a bigger annoyance than an occasional dropped call.
You mean $10, not 10 points. There's a very significant difference. $10 is about 4 points, which is pretty typical -- not just for Apple but for many stocks during this uncertain economic time. 10 points would be a major move, however, and would signal something fundamental affecting the price.
Not really. I don't know why I'd be anxious about it? By now we seem to know what the problem is (ish..) It isn't something that should limit the lifespan of the device, or in my case seem to impact it's use at all. I think many things probably has design flaws, just not as obvious and silly as this one.
I'd have to think seriously about a recall if it happened. It could have had more problems and I'm not sure I'd risk a totally new one when its already fine. (for me) I don't mind being "stuck" with something that works well (for me). I'm not denying this is a big headache for some people though.
Obviously it's not on the level of the Toyota/BP stuff, but it's a huge black eye towhen they keep touting how they make "perfect, genius" products in contrast to the crap from other companies.
You're right, in a way Apple brought this "crisis" on themselves by making such lofty comments over and over again. If you're going to sell your products as "perfection" (and "amazing, "magical", etc.) then you'd damn well better make them perfect. All products can have issues, but the key is to not let your ego get in the way of fixing any problems quickly and completely. I'm worried that Apple is letting that happen to them, they are dragging their feet on this so far and every iPhone they sell before the fix the problem is going to cost them more in the future.
Disappointed :-/
The phone is an amazing device. I just can't bring myself to buy it knowing that there's an outstanding hardware flaw, despite the bumper-fix. Apple's response this time around has me even more set on waiting.
Marketing hype is one thing, but the strange responses are very disappointed. I had written an article a while back on how well Apple handled it's PR issue when they dropped the iPhone 8GB model price by $200 after only 10 weeks (comparing it to Factor 5's unfortunate mishandling of the bad publicity surrounding Lair - I really was a fan of Factor 5's work).
Anyway - Apple will figure out what to do - but it's disconcerting to see them stumble like this and make consumers feel like their being treated like a bunch of lemmings (again).
BTW - My iPhone 3G has been slow and crashing since upgrading to OS4 - probably an issue for another thread.
The phone is an amazing device. I just can't bring myself to buy it knowing that there's an outstanding hardware flaw, despite the bumper-fix. Apple's response this time around has me even more set on waiting.
Marketing hype is one thing, but the strange responses are very disappointed. I had written an article a while back on how well Apple handled it's PR issue when they dropped the iPhone 8GB model price by $200 after only 10 weeks (comparing it to Factor 5's unfortunate mishandling of the bad publicity surrounding Lair - I really was a fan of Factor 5's work).
Anyway - Apple will figure out what to do - but it's disconcerting to see them stumble like this and make consumers feel like their being treated like a bunch of lemmings (again).
BTW - My iPhone 3G has been slow and crashing since upgrading to OS4 - probably an issue for another thread.
Agree. My first real computer was a Macintosh LCII with an Apple Stylewriter (I used to love the Paper Airplane Game!!!). I love Apple, just not what Apple is becoming.
FWIW, this report is from last week:
http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/07/microsoft_job_cuts_in_hundreds_scattered_across_company.html
I'm not nervous at all. In fact I just bought a second one for my wife. Why? Because I judged for myself whether the phone works for me or not. It does. In every way it is a superior phone for me as compared to the 3GS. I think this is a PR nightmare blown out of proportion by people who don't even own one. As for why CR would on one hand rate the phone higher than any other phone, and on the other, not recommend it.... I don't know. Don't care. Why people who don't own one feel the need to comment? Don't know. Don't care.
Yes - that's exactly why many right handed people use their left hand to hold the phone so that they can write, type or do whatever with their right hand. So your logic is flawed.
so my fone has full bars just sitting there on my desk. it rings and i answer, a minute later it drops the call and its searching for a signal.. HHHMMHMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM. idk about all of you saying nothing is wrong with it and its normal to drop bars when touched but i just dropped a call after having full bars... SOMETHING IS OBVIOUSLY WRONG. It went from able to receive a call to no service in the same spot and all that changed was me holding it. my 3g did drop a bar or 2 when held but i never had dropped calls with it. apple clearly messed up with this phone and it deserves to be looked at more then just a software issue. anyone who says otherwise seems to be a troll.
and if you do believe its just a software issue please explain how my hand is messing with the software. thank you
and if you do believe its just a software issue please explain how my hand is messing with the software. thank you
Fixed.
No, not fixed.
If you can't see that the haters who come on here spouting their baiting pish everyday are just as bad, if not worse, than the very "fanboys" they come here to slate, then you're blind.
If you go on ANY forum dedicated to one company, one band, one director, one product and are "shocked" when the majority of posts are pro-product, then you need your head read.
I really hope the answer will simply be "buy a case". I hate using cases on my phones. The way I see it Apple (or any other manufacturer, or maybe not in Apple's situation) specifically designed a lovely design for their phone. Why would I want to bulk that out? I've tried phone cases (and iPod) and I've never stuck with them. All it takes is a bit of care.
If the answer is use a case I'll have to get another phone. I already cancelled my order when this problem first came to light.
If the answer is use a case I'll have to get another phone. I already cancelled my order when this problem first came to light.