duh, yeah... cuz it's made of glass. Helicopter glass. I was under the Apple illusion that it was impact resistant until I seen people post their cracked Iphones. A glass phone.
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PR Experts Suggest iPhone 4 Recall 'Inevitable' as Antenna Issue Snowballs
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duh, yeah... cuz it's made of glass. Helicopter glass. I was under the Apple illusion that it was impact resistant until I seen people post their cracked Iphones. A glass phone.
you musta missed the part where I said if someone can answer my question i might get a video! you can't even answer a simple question yet you want me to prove my question? so then I can post the video and you can simply say, oh you did this wrong, or that wrong, or this excuse, blah blah
so with correct bar representation my 2 bars should really be no bars right? so i should easily be able to make my phone lose signal in a 2 bar area right?
that only proves the point of my question. if the signal issue does not show up when in a good signal area, which i consider 5 bars, but it does show up in a bad signal area, which i consider 2 to 3 bars, then my phone should lose complete signal when in a 2 bar area correct?
why can i be at work where i have 2 bars and not be able to make my phone lose signal when all of the videos show people losing signal from 5 bars?
let me tell you the answer. there is none because no one here knows. all this bickering back and forth and im right and youre wrong is stupid. no of us know what the issue is and what circumstances affect it until apple tells us. so why fight about it?
iDrama, this is funny. Though I think you would be hard-pressed to compare this to Vista. Vista wasn't hampered by a simple avoidable problem. Nope, you were stuck with it and no amount of tape or cover could rescue that thing. And just try to return Vista for your money back and/or having as easy a time going back.
Still, this is a bit of a PR issue for them. Though they haven't anywhere near pulled a SONY yet. You know, release expensive hardware with a known defect, completely deny the issue, then make you pay nearly the entire cost of the unit (on top of that) to fix the manufacturing defect. Then again, SONY doesn't exactly have a reputation for any kind of good customer service yet people seem to still love them. Don't ask, I guess.
Hmm, this is good popcorn.
Not to mention, what console manufacturer has ever responded with a fix to some highly publicized issue, this fast? For consoles, the fastest I've seen was Nintendo, and that took maybe 2+ months, at best, since people blew up about breaking televisions. They did respond with a similar solution as some folks said here. They gave out free silicon sleeves for their controllers.
Still, this is a bit of a PR issue for them. Though they haven't anywhere near pulled a SONY yet. You know, release expensive hardware with a known defect, completely deny the issue, then make you pay nearly the entire cost of the unit (on top of that) to fix the manufacturing defect. Then again, SONY doesn't exactly have a reputation for any kind of good customer service yet people seem to still love them. Don't ask, I guess.
Hmm, this is good popcorn.
Not to mention, what console manufacturer has ever responded with a fix to some highly publicized issue, this fast? For consoles, the fastest I've seen was Nintendo, and that took maybe 2+ months, at best, since people blew up about breaking televisions. They did respond with a similar solution as some folks said here. They gave out free silicon sleeves for their controllers.
You have a gross misunderstanding about the term 'product recall'. I also put it to you that your understanding of quality and 'buying things' would need an update.
And ****in relax. Give them a few weeks to figure out what they're going to do and make an announcement. The need for instant gratification is a character flaw, so consider yourself lucky you haven't been recalled.
I agree that this is the wrong strategy. Back in the early '90's, Johnson and Johnson realized that they had produced a batch of Tylenol that could have been poisonous...not enough to kill you, but enough to make whoever took it very very ill. Their CEO immediately did a complete shelf pull of all Tylenol across the US. Period. He didn't wait to try to find out where it might have been shipped, or try to save money, he simply said "This is not up to J&J's standards, it all has to go". If you look at a 20 year chart of J&J stock, you'll see the huge dip when this happened...and the almost-immediate recovery and long, profitable ride it has been on ever since. THIS is how you handle a situation in which you're company messed up.
Apple has done so well at everything for so long now, that's sort of a problem. Every competitor needs a reason that their product is superior. Apple has never had to worry about that. And it seems like these "flaws" for Apple have only begun lately. First was the iPad WIFI issue, for which there is still no fix. Now there is a possible (I say possible because I do not own an iPhone) iPhone issue that is even worse (if it's real) than the iPad issue. And even if the iPhone has no problem, and all the people claiming it does are literally crazy, there is still a perception problem that Apple must address. It is totally ok to be Steve Jobs-like arrogant. It's fine when you're kicking ass, but when you make a mistake and you're Steve Jobs-arrogant, imagine the goodwill you'd gain from changing to apologetic and saying "Hey, it was a good run of perfection, but this time we screwed up".
duh, yeah... cuz it's made of glass. Helicopter glass. I was under the Apple illusion that it was impact resistant until I seen people post their cracked Iphones. A glass phone.
I bet you felt dumb didn't you? You thought that you could just throw it in molten lava and just pull it out huh? Man, Apple and their deceptive advertising. Anyone that bought the phone and thought: I don't need a case because they have new glass that's invincible should have thought a little harder.
When it was released Vista was hamperd by poor 3rd party driver support and weak hardware. MS didn't stick their head in the sand or place blame elsewhere. Vista is actually a pretty good OS today.
The biggest ecological disaster in US history is going on without an end in sight and everyone's worried about a stupid toy.
A freaking men! Perspective is absolutely needed on macrumors. I volunteered and plan on going back to help clean up the oil from this god awful situation. If what happened in the gulf isn't an eye opener that we need to get off oil I don't know if we ever will wake up and open our eyes and become more proactive in out future and the environment. We have cars running on hydrogen fuel cell with clean water as a byproduct why in 100+ years are we still stuck on oil??? We need to tell our politicians NO MORE OIL LOBBYISTS and to hold BP accountable in every way. Instead of wasting our time on iPhones and yelling at each other we could be putting all this effort into making an actual difference in the world. Sad.
You don't have to be sarcastic, nobody's throwing their phones "in molten lava". People drop it as millions do accidentally; and the bloody thing breaks easier than any other handset. Whoever claimed anything positive about this particular type of glass, should have kept their mouths shut, their design team busy and the marketing team not going mad.
Unless it's bullet-proof plexi-glass. I'd hardly believe that it is durable. Then again. I'd hardly believe ANY cell phone is durable to drops. I don't care if it's one of those plastic Boost Mobiles, a Blackberry, or anything. The idea is, there's a big risk, to the phone, if you drop them without protection. You're carrying sophisticated electronics in a tiny case. That's vulnerable stuff right there. It's much easier to make something big a tank. A SEGA Saturn was seen as a Tank, by all standard for consoles, yet there was a very real possibility that it would break if it drops a couple of feet or so. More rare than the others, but very possible. Nothing is really safe without a case.
I really hope people don't believe otherwise.
I really hope people don't believe otherwise.
Haha I give you points for creativity. Seriously though I am tired of both people on the Apple versus Microsoft game using such terms. It's snide, unnecessary and simply insulting. A politician wanting to be taken seriously wouldn't call a republican a fascist and a republican wouldn't refer to his opponent as a demorat. It's childish. There should be an age restriction for macrumors in some forums and people need to realize that using such terms detracts from intelligent discourse.
Well, as I've said before I'm very happy with most aspects of the phone - I took a gamble on Apple providing their well respected customer service to fix the problems (signal and proximity sensor - which I've had a problem with but only once). So far they aren't doing a great deal publicly and this is very bad for them from a PR point of view.
Apple charge more for their products than almost all other companies offering similar levels of performance, they get away with it because you are buying something built to last, very stylish and very functional (Macbooks tend to still be working after 5 years where a similar Windows based laptop may well have slowed down to the point of being unusable). You also expect top notch service for your money. This is one of the first major issues for Apple because of the type of product and nature of the problem - yes they've had yellow stained screens etc on their computers but this was fixed and faulty product replaced, (in any case was not a huge media issue) the iPhone is by far Apple's most mainstream product and to have its core function being hampered by it's design is obviously rather significant to the media.
Due to Apple's history I am hoping for the issue to be resolved, if it is not it will certainly hamper Apple's future sales as their unflappable customer faith will have been damaged - you can't let this kind of thing slide when you have the business model Apple have or you never really recover (at least not in the short/medium-term).
If Apple don't fix the problem, or at the very least, as others suggest, give out free bumpers as an act of good faith then it's pretty serious for them. Out of principal I will not purchase another iPhone and my intended iMac purchase (when new models arrive) will also be cancelled - not because I don't think it will be a good product but because Apple will have let me down. Many people have principals like I do, we have money to spend and can be picky about what we buy, I'm sure Steve Jobs is a man of similar principals and I definitely expect a response from Apple in the near future due to the huge negative press. The ball is in their court...
This product needs to be recalled do to the horrendous reception issues.
I'm glad a trusted and venerable outlet like Consumer Reports came out with a report testifying to the flaws in this design.
This really, really flies in the face of those fanboys who were so adamant that their is NO problem. LOL. That Kool-aid must've really tasted good!
Let's hope Apple does the right thing. Their reputation is on the line.
I'm glad a trusted and venerable outlet like Consumer Reports came out with a report testifying to the flaws in this design.
This really, really flies in the face of those fanboys who were so adamant that their is NO problem. LOL. That Kool-aid must've really tasted good!
Let's hope Apple does the right thing. Their reputation is on the line.
My sentiments, exactly.
I had plans to upgrade my 3GS to the 4, and spend $3000 on a new 27" iMac when they're released later this fall.
This is a technology website, one which has a strong hint of leaning towards apple products and chat. Within the very small environment perspective is not required, perhaps more a sense of context. To be discussing the ip4 problems in here and making it sound a disaster is absolutely fine. You are within a tech web site, discussing a consumer tech disaster if you like.
If we were on the front page of the NYT discussing this as being more important than the oil disaster then fine, your point would hold a better position
I doubt there will be a recall. Any physical fix to the antenna system would probably require FCC recertification. Also, the cost would turn Apple's iPhone 4 profit into a loss. And the logistics would be a nightmare. A couple of million iPhone repairs? And forget about outright replacement. There aren't enough iPhone 4 parts, screens, etc to produce another "launch".
My guess is, Apple will go the free bumper route (or a software fix that will turn off one of the antennas or maybe use some kind of rotating use of the antennas) and take the bad publicity hit. Next year there will be an iPhone 5 and a chance to redeem things. And despite what happens now, the demand for iPhone 5 will probably be even bigger next year, make no mistake.
My guess is, Apple will go the free bumper route (or a software fix that will turn off one of the antennas or maybe use some kind of rotating use of the antennas) and take the bad publicity hit. Next year there will be an iPhone 5 and a chance to redeem things. And despite what happens now, the demand for iPhone 5 will probably be even bigger next year, make no mistake.
Because you are in a strong signal area. You are reproducing the issue, however, your signal is strong enough to survive the 20 db drop in signal and since 5 bars is displayed until a low signal occurs (-91 dbm), you just don't see it on the bar display.
After Apple's software fix, you should see some bars disappear.
Which is the same reason this guy's video is bunk :
except than in MY VIDEO, signal wasn't strong at all, changing from 3-4 down to 1 bars
And the phone still browsing the web at good speed.
Keep fighting your Holy Crusade, uh ?
You might be interested in the similar oil spills that have been going on in Nigeria for 50 years ( http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread584525/pg1 ) - caused mainly by US companies (if that matters) and never mentioned on CNN... We, as a species tend to only focus on our own problems, things on our own doorstep - there is a natural detachment to the plight of others 000's of miles away which we rightly should take more interest in - but it doesn't stop us being bothered about our phones...