Pre-Ordering the Apple Vision Pro? Get AirPods Pro 2 With USB-C for $189 to Add Lossless Audio

[GrindedDown]

The highlight feature of these “new” AirPods isn’t the lossless audio, but it is the lack of latency when using it with the headset. If any of you have ever used something like the Meta Quest with a regular pair of Bluetooth headphones, you will know that the latency is too great to be able to use for things like Gaming and I would imagine music production.

Latency is the highlight feature, not lossless audio. Lossless audio is just a bonus.

 

[Herrpod]

Or just buy the AirPods for that price at most every retailer without needing to buy those stupid goggles.

 

[victorvictoria]

For $4,000, AirPods not included? Nickel and dime chislers!

 

[CarAnalogy]

Now you've done it. You've poked the Perceived Audio Excellence Self-Anointed Cognoscenti™ crowd. Within minutes, they will descend upon this thread to present their it's-absolutely-not-placebo declarations that Lossless Audio clearly offers sound with greater "warmth," "tonality," "clarity," and "a sound stage featuring a far more unctuous and lubricated presence."

We are but rubes tucked away in the cold recess of some prehistoric cave, banging on the walls with a stick for our music.

Wish I could "Laugh" and "Love" at the same time. I guess I'll have to settle for just one on the forum and have to Live Laugh Love irl.

 

[eicca]

Now you've done it. You've poked the Perceived Audio Excellence Self-Anointed Cognoscenti™ crowd. Within minutes, they will descend upon this thread to present their it's-absolutely-not-placebo declarations that Lossless Audio clearly offers sound with greater "warmth," "tonality," "clarity," and "a sound stage featuring a far more unctuous and lubricated presence."

We are but rubes tucked away in the cold recess of some prehistoric cave, banging on the walls with a stick for our music.

Here I am. I can hear all those things, and you're presumptuous and arrogant to tell me I can't.

If you can't hear it it's because you've listened to low-quality audio your whole life.

 

[topdrawer]

lossless over bluetooth? lol. do people really think they're getting true lossless over pro 2's?

yes they support it but if you stream lossless audio codecs over bluetooth it isn't true lossless. until bluetooth improves you will need wired ear/headphones. remember not even the Airpod Max supports lossless and that has wired connection.

even when we can listen to lossless then most people won't even be able to tell the difference. it's all marketing crap.

maybe the audio quality of the ear phones aren't good enough to tell the difference either way.

 

[Crow_Servo]

"Pre-orders for the Apple Vision Pro begin tomorrow, and if you're planning to use the headset's lossless audio feature you'll need to be sure you have the AirPods Pro 2 with USB-C"

Please explain to me how you intend to hardwire AirPods Pro 2 to get lossless.

From Apple’s website. I did suggest you research it, but you didn’t listen…

“AirPods Pro will pair with Apple Vision Pro (available early next year in the U.S.) to deliver Lossless Audio with ultra-low latency, for an unprecedented sound experience.1 Both feature the H2 chip, communicating at industry-shattering speed and unlocking a revolutionary new format rendering pure, uncompressed sound in real time. So your movies, shows, and games become breathtakingly immersive.”

 

[Student of Life]

The new AirPod Pros 2 (Updated for Apple Vision Pro) don't use a blue tooth connection, they use a 5Ghz connection to communicate, that's why you need the new version of the AirPods Pro 2, and the originals won't give you lossless, and the new version probably won't give you lossless with anything else other than the AVP.

Apple’s USB-C AirPods Pro will support lossless audio with the Vision Pro

It’s because of a “groundbreaking wireless audio protocol.”

www.theverge.com

Im just speculating but watch the iPhone 16 pro and regulars get this feature. It's a way to get the masses to update AirPods pros and iPhones for a better listening experience, not to mention the Qualcomm chips will be doing the same thing for the android version of things so the competition is coming fast.

 

[Wizard_of_Woz]

From Apple’s website. I did suggest you research it, but you didn’t listen…

“AirPods Pro will pair with Apple Vision Pro (available early next year in the U.S.) to deliver Lossless Audio with ultra-low latency, for an unprecedented sound experience.1 Both feature the H2 chip, communicating at industry-shattering speed and unlocking a revolutionary new format rendering pure, uncompressed sound in real time. So your movies, shows, and games become breathtakingly immersive.”

So this setup can deliver 24-bit 192kHz lossless audio, which is true lossless in terms of Apple Music's capabilities? No, it can't. Thanks for the education!

 

[apparatchik]

So this setup can deliver 24-bit 192kHz lossless audio, which is true lossless in terms of Apple Music's capabilities? No, it can't. Thanks for the education!

The point here being Apple is not using bluetooth, nobody suggested or mentioned bluetooth, why did you even brought bluetooth into the conversation? Apple is using a proprietary 5Ghz protocol.

They deliver 20-bit 48kHz audio, whether you want to argue that's not true high-resolution is a different matter altogether, but BT has nothing to do with this.

 

[Wizard_of_Woz]

The point here being Apple is not using bluetooth, nobody suggested or mentioned bluetooth, why did you even brought bluetooth into the conversation? Apple is using a proprietary 5Ghz protocol.

They deliver 20-bit 48kHz audio, whether you want to argue that's not true high-resolution is a different matter altogether, but BT has nothing to do with this.

Bluetooth or Wi-Fi (not hardwired) it's not true lossless, my point still stands. I've updated my OP though, since I meant to include Wi-Fi as well.

 

[victorvictoria]

Here I am. I can hear all those things, and you're presumptuous and arrogant to tell me I can't.

If you can't hear it it's because you've listened to low-quality audio your whole life.

Ever notice how people edge away from you at gatherings?

 

[eicca]

Ever notice how people edge away from you at gatherings?

Never happens because they don't lead off by making BS claims about what they think other people can or cannot do. Thus, no conflict, and everyone is happy. Take notes.

 

[Mansu944]

Wait...I just realized it doesn't come with speakers or headphones...wow. But OK apple.

 

[decypher44]

This has been on my mind for a while. Is anyone else reading Alien vs Predator?

Every. Single. Time.

 

[subjonas]

So Vision Pro can’t do lossless without AirPods Pro?

Funny.

MR appears to believe so but I haven’t been able to verify that in any of the links they referenced or in any official Apple docs. Full specs don’t appear to be out yet. Apple’s marketing highlights that the AP2 with USB is lossless with VP, so I’m thinking MR interpreted that to mean the built-in speakers are lossy. But I would be confused as to why any wired/built-in speakers would be lossy. Overall lower quality speaker system is understandable, but not lossy data transmission. Even lossless, I imagine that since the VP speakers have to shoot sound down to the ear, they probably don’t sound as good as the in-ear AP2, just due to that physical constraint.

 

[cateye]

Here I am. I can hear all those things, and you're presumptuous and arrogant to tell me I can't.

You may be right. Far be it from me to cast aspersions and I do beg your pardon. May you enjoy a fully-lubricated aural climax while enjoying extremely-serious-and-not-at-all-silly lossless audio.

 

[Mick-Mac]

The picture shown with this article is going to be one of those things we all laugh at in 10 years time. The only thing it's missing is a snorkel attachment.

 

[apparatchik]

Bluetooth or Wi-Fi (not hardwired) it's not true lossless, my point still stands. I've updated my OP though, since I meant to include Wi-Fi as well.

Sony is doing something similar with their PlayStation Portal and its proprietary Link tech for audio. I won't argue about it not being WiFi either, but they're both (Apple's and Sony's solutions) not limited by those standards specific implementations.

 

[Modernboy]

Wait...I just realized it doesn't come with speakers or headphones...wow. But OK apple.

It has speakers with Spatial Audio.

 

[subjonas]

So this setup can deliver 24-bit 192kHz lossless audio, which is true lossless in terms of Apple Music's capabilities? No, it can't. Thanks for the education!

You’re referring to the upper limit of Apple’s hi-res lossless range. The AP2 (USBC with VP) is advertised with normal lossless. The lower limit of that range is CD quality 16-bit 44.1kHz, and the AP2’s 20-bit 48kHz falls above that.

• Lossless for a maximum resolution of 24-bit/48 kHz
• Hi-Res Lossless for a maximum resolution of 24-bit/192 kHz

About lossless audio in Apple Music - Apple Support

Learn about lossless audio in Apple Music and how to turn it on or off for your device.

support.apple.com

 

[InuNacho]

Isn't Apple a "Green or Eco" company?

The amount of batteries and non-recyclable tech required to run this this "TECH OF THE FUTURE" seems to fly in the face of the Eco Friendly verbiage they like to preach to us.

As far as I can tell there isn't a cabled option for audio so that means Bluetooth only which is more small un-recyclable batteries and components.
Then there is the whole headset itself which in typical Apple fashion will most likely be outdated in 3 gens. So ultimately more e-waste.

The front glass while pretty is still nice breakable glass. They'll break and generate more e-waste.

But hey, at least the the headband will be Fair Trade or something.

 

[jimbobb24]

Wait...I just realized it doesn't come with speakers or headphones...wow. But OK apple.

It has speakers built in. They made a huge deal about how the speakers "Scan" the room to simulate surround sound.

 

[zorinlynx]

Now you've done it. You've poked the Perceived Audio Excellence Self-Anointed Cognoscenti™ crowd. Within minutes, they will descend upon this thread to present their it's-absolutely-not-placebo declarations that Lossless Audio clearly offers sound with greater "warmth," "tonality," "clarity," and "a sound stage featuring a far more unctuous and lubricated presence."

We are but rubes tucked away in the cold recess of some prehistoric cave, banging on the walls with a stick for our music.

I nominate this for comment of the year, even though it's only mid-January. I laughed my ass off and shared a screenshot of it with friends who did the same!

 

[doelcm82]

Isn't Apple a "Green or Eco" company?

The amount of batteries and non-recyclable tech required to run this this "TECH OF THE FUTURE" seems to fly in the face of the Eco Friendly verbiage they like to preach to us.

As far as I can tell there isn't a cabled option for audio so that means Bluetooth only which is more small un-recyclable batteries and components.
Then there is the whole headset itself which in typical Apple fashion will most likely be outdated in 3 gens. So ultimately more e-waste.

The front glass while pretty is still nice breakable glass. They'll break and generate more e-waste.

But hey, at least the the headband will be Fair Trade or something.

There are speakers built in. You don't have to use AirPods.