Pre-Release PowerMac/XServe Replacement CPU Benchmarks?

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  1. MacRumors macrumors bot


    Apr 12, 2001

    ArsTechnica provides a summary of some recent pre-release benchmarks of Intel's upcoming Woodcrest chip, and reports that gains of 15-40% are typical over Intel's latest Xeon-class chip (code-named Dempsey).

    Woodcrest represents the top of Intel's upcoming Core 2 lineup and is targeted at "server and workstation" markets. Most speculation has centered around Apple using Intel's Conroe Core 2 "desktop" chip, but a recent page 2 rumor indicated that Woodcrest could also be in consideration. Previously Apple compared its top-of-the-line PowerMacs to Xeon-class machines.

    Anandtech recently provided a sneak peek at preliminary benchmarks between Intel's Conroe compared to an overclocked AMD Athlon X2. Conroe consistently beat the AMD system, however the systems were set up by Intel. While the reviewer did not see anything fishy on the surface, the results should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Currently, Woodcrest is expected next month with Conroe expected to arrive in July 2006.
  2. combatcolin macrumors 68020


    Oct 24, 2004
    Northants, UK
    Anyone else geting that Monty Python "GET ON WITH IT" feeling?

  3. camomac macrumors 6502a


    Jan 26, 2005
    Left Coast
    bring it on... this could be really exciting.. mmm new powermacs?
  4. silvergunuk macrumors regular


    Mar 17, 2003
    Looks Like The Mac Pro's Could Be Here Within A Month. Lovely!
  5. longofest Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    Doubtful. The processors will be available, but with Creative Suite still not native, QuarkXPress 7 not being Dual Binary until later this summer, and other pro apps being in a similar quandry, I think WWDC is still a good bet for replacement Powermacs.

    XServe, on the other hand, is a totally different story. Just look at how long it has gone untouched. We very well could see an XServe refresh in the next month or two.
  6. sluthy macrumors regular

    May 13, 2002
    Bundaberg, Qld. Australia
    Hmm, what do you reckon?

    Merom - Mac mini, iMac
    Conroe - Powermac (or simply Mac now?)
    Woodcrest - xServe

    or possibly:

    Merom - Mac mini
    Conroe - iMac
    Woodcrest - PowerMac, xServe

    or even forgo Conroe altogether:

    Merom - Mac mini, iMac
    Woodcrest - PowerMac, xServe

    or maybe...

    Merom - Mac mini, iMac
    Conroe - 'Mac'?
    Woodcrest - PowerMac, xServe

    Maybe the 'PowerMac' will move entirely into the Woodcrest server market (to the point where it and the xServe are only a form-factor apart) leaving room for a new headless Conroe 'Mac', for creative/business 'prosumer' types who don't require server power but need more expandability and choice than an iMac? Or is that lineup too crowded and overlapped?

    EDIT: Forgive me, it's 3.15AM and I'm wired doing an assembly language assignment, so if I'm rambling...
  7. bigbossbmb macrumors 68000


    Jul 1, 2004
    XServe, definitely as soon as the chips are available... But I think that Apple will release their pro desktop at this time too. There are tons of film and video people itching for these machines. Also CS might run under rosetta fairly well with these chips' speed.
  8. vmardian macrumors newbie

    Oct 20, 2005
    Almost every single Apple Pro App is universal. Lightroom is also universal.
  9. ImAlwaysRight macrumors 6502a


    Jul 10, 2002
    Always in the right place at the right time
    Haven't seen too many Power Mac rumors. I, for one, would think Apple would use the new chips as an opportunity to give the Power Mac a redesign. Maybe not too drastic, but along the lines of the iBook --> MacBook redesign. At least this time it looks like Apple could announce the new Power Macs in the summer and have them shipping almost immediately. At least not a late September/early Oct. release that happened when the G5 Power Macs came out, which was a delay of 2-3 months.
  10. zwilliams07 macrumors member

    Dec 16, 2004
    Detroit, MI
    I hope this does bode for a quicker release of a Mac Pro (PowerMac). Its the only reason I'm holding off on making an Intel Mac purchase.

    Last time I bought a Mac was an iBook G3/700 back in Summer of 2002.

    Gawd I need a new machine.

    I think it would be more reasonable for Apple to have it set up as

    Merom - MacBook, MacMini, MacBook Pro
    Conroe - iMac, (maybe upper MacBook Pro)
    Woodcrest - MacPro, Xserve

    Remember the G5 was a Server class chip, and it is in both PowerMacs and Xserves.
  11. longofest Editor emeritus


    Jul 10, 2003
    Falls Church, VA
    Not all of the creative world runs on Apple's software solutions.

    As for what I personally see future lineups as, I think Conroe is actually going to end up in the iMac. So here is what you'd see:

    Merom: Macbook/Macbook pro (once they transition from Yonah)
    Conroe: Mac Mini and iMac... Mac Mini might end up in Merom line...
    Woodcrest: Mac Pro and XServe

    The only reason I think you are seeing the iMac and Mac Mini using Yonah is because Apple wanted to transition those first, and Yonah was the first Core-architecture based chip out. Yonah, however, is meant for laptops, so I think once Apple has a desktop chip available to it (especially one that is designed to allow for thin-form factor like Conroe), they will use it.
  12. mikemodena macrumors 6502a


    May 30, 2005
    Can't wait to make my intel transition to a Mac Pro from my current PowerMac. I'm currently selling my iBook now to get a MacBook.
  13. jiggie2g macrumors 6502


    Apr 12, 2003
    Wake Up

    Woodcrest is not nor will it ever see daylight in a power mac/Mac Pro. Conroe will do just fine and from most benchmarks it out performs the Athlon X2 by atleast 20% clock 4 clock. Hate to break It to you but the dual socket days are over for Desktop macs. You really think apple is gonna put is gonna put 2 $80 cpu's in a prosumer machine....not. maybe in an Xserve but not a mac pro. here's how it will break down. iMac will use Merom as it is already pin compatible with the current Core duo mobile chips. no need to change the motherboard.

    MacMini / Core Duo 1.86-2.0 2MB L2

    Macbook / Core Duo 2.16-2.33 2MB L2

    iMac / Core 2 Duo(merom) 2.16-2.33 4MB L2

    Macbook Pro / Core 2 Duo(merom) 2.1-2.33 4MB L2

    Mac Pro / Core 2 Duo(Conroe) 2.4-2.67 and 2.93 XE 4MB L2

    Incase you are wondering why I placed the Macbook and Macbook Pro at the same speed , please note that Core 2 has an advantage of 20% over Core 1 clock 4 clock not to mention the advantage of having double the L2 cache. The core 1 still is slated to clock up to 2.33 ghz i see the chip becoming thier new value chip(think Celeron but better) for lower end machines.
  14. macgeek2005 macrumors 65816

    Jan 31, 2006
    Does this mean we might get new PowerMacs before WWDC?
  15. Glen Quagmire macrumors 6502a

    Jan 6, 2006
    Mac Mini: Merom
    MacBook: Merom
    MacBook Pro: Merom
    iMac: Merom, or Conroe if it runs cool enough.
    Mac Pro: Conroe (single CPU) for a low-end model, Woodcrest for the high-end (dual CPU) ones.
    XServe: Woodcrest.

    I'll take a Woodcrest-powered Mac Pro, please, and bid a fond farewell to my Mac Mini and a not quite-so-fond farewell to my trusty four year old Xeon-powered PC.
  16. NVRsayNVR macrumors member

    Jun 11, 2005
    YEAH! Let's get it on already! Boost that stock up so I can cash in and get some new gear! Talk is cheap... Announcement the damn thing! :mad: :D :D

    "Think Alike... BE Different!"
  17. JurgenWigg macrumors 6502


    May 20, 2006

    Someone correct me if I'm wrong... but isn't Merom the notebook/portable chip, whereas Conroe is the desktop chip? Why would they put Merom in an iMac??
  18. macgeek2005 macrumors 65816

    Jan 31, 2006
    Because the iMac is a desktop.
  19. jiggie2g macrumors 6502


    Apr 12, 2003

    Because the iMac already contains a notebook cpu in Yonah , has a small enclosure which requires lower thermal output and merom is pin compatible with Yonah so this is just a more logical step, for apple to put in a conroe it would require a redesign of the motherboard and cooling with merom it's just a chip swap.
  20. Glen Quagmire macrumors 6502a

    Jan 6, 2006
    Why won't Woodcrest feature in an Intel-powered Mac Pro? If they use Conroe, Apple will be going from a dual CPU, dual core workstation to a single CPU, dual core computer. Hardly an impressive comparison: "Yes, it's brand new but it's got half as many CPUs and cores as the G5 one, but they're quite quick, so you'll have to put up with it." Conroe would be a step backwards for the high-end Mac Pro. It would work fine as a low cost model, but for rendering tasks and the like, dual CPUs are a godsend.

    What are these mythical $80 CPUs you talk of? Celerons? If you mean Conroe, Conroe is single CPU only (successor to the present Pentium 4). If you want duality of processors, you need Woodcrest.

    The top of the range G5 costs $3299, if memory serves. The prices of the Intel machines have been the same or slightly more than the Power PC ones. Are Apple really going to charge $3299 for a computer with one lonely Conroe in it?
  21. milo macrumors 604

    Sep 23, 2003
    The same reasons they put yonah (a laptop chip) in the iMac. Cooling, power consumption, cost and availability.
  22. milatchi macrumors regular


    Aug 11, 2003
    San Francisco, CA
    Glad to see we're moving forward with the intel transition.
  23. ZnU macrumors regular

    May 24, 2006
    Woodcrest is not nor will it ever see daylight in a power mac/Mac Pro. Conroe will do just fine and from most benchmarks it out performs the Athlon X2 by atleast 20% clock 4 clock. Hate to break It to you but the dual socket days are over for Desktop macs. You really think apple is gonna put is gonna put 2 $80 cpu's in a prosumer machine....not.​

    This is complete nonsense. Conroe is the Pentium 4 replacement. Woodcrest is the Xeon replacement. Apple's towers start at $2000. Go look at $2000 machines from other x86 vendors like Dell or HP, and see whether they have Xeon or Pentium chips in them.

    Anyway, Woodcrest doesn't start at $800. Yes, the most expensive (3 GHz) chip will be $850, but as the pricelist on this page shows, Woodcrest will start all the way down at 1.6 GHz, for $230, which is cheaper than all but one of the Conroe chip models! Woodcrest will allow Apple to expand the towers upwards in the market if they want to, but Apple can also use the chip without any problems at their current price points.

    I'm also not sure why you describe the towers as 'prosumer'. Five years ago, maybe that was the case, but these days, particularly in the x86 world where Apple now lives, machines in that price range are not really consumer machines. (Except, possibly, when they're high-end gaming machines, but that's not going to be the case for Apple's towers, just because of the OS X game availability situation.)

    Conroe is going to end up in $800 Dell specials. The idea that Apple will be using it in $3300 towers is ludicrous.
  24. starnox macrumors 6502

    Apr 15, 2005
    I think they will use woodcrest in Mac Pro, after all the fuss Apple has been making about the Core Duo having two cores, I don't think they could turn around and stick a single processor in their top model machine. Like something said they put a G5 in the PowerMac and Xserve, so why not put a woodcrest in a Mac Pro and Xserve (or maybe MacServe :p)
  25. Rocketman macrumors 603


    I am wondering what the real world performance increase will be from now to that? Perhaps over 2x in real world performance if all the rumors and tech reports are near accurate.

    Will we see YA Apple branded attempt at the supercomputer prize?

    I want to see Apple market 4U desktop/floortop systems to uber gamers :)


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