I don't like Biden but I definitely don't like Trump. The problem with the Democrats is that they're moderate Republicans. They're not extreme enough. Look at Joe Manchin. He's extreme? He sided with Trump's agenda most of the time.
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President Biden Signs Executive Order Revoking Trump-Era Ban on TikTok and WeChat
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Could you point to a peer reviewed publication in a journal or conference that is confirming this?
Or is this based on your opinion?
Never, really never quote from wikipedia. In the scientific world listing wikipedia as a source is completely ruining your credibility.
They are not banned there for the reason of security, they are banned for political reasons.
If you're saying you want to ban TikTok for political or personal reasons, that's a whole different game. Trump used security as a reason to attack TikTok, while in reality it's personal. If we're talking about personal/political reasons, then lets ban Microsoft because I don't like Windows and while we're at it anchovy pizza too because I don't like anchovies.
Again, any tech is invasive. You have to look at what data is collected and if that data is somehow relevant to security. Is the information what iPhone and iOS version I'm using in any way a threat to security? No it isn't, assuming you keep your software update to close potential security holes. Is is problematic if companies know what apps I have installed? No it isn't, Apple knows as well what apps I have installed on my iPhones and iPads. How is security problematic if people know I'm running Postbox, Photoshop, Final Cut, Latex, Scrivener and DevonThink to name a few on macOS?
Again, you're looking at it from a political point of view and have a problem with the fact that it's a foreign government, the "enemy". How about the US government, do you have a problem that your data is collected there as well? If not, why not? If yes, why not ban the US sources as well? Same for Canada, Spain, Australia, ...
The university I'm at is strictly non-profit, we have to prove where our (usually government) funding for research goes. We do collaborate on national and international levels with other universities, companies and research institutions, including NASA and ESA, so be careful I might be looking at you via a satellite in orbit.
We do not receive any type of funding from partners.
However, we are not allowed to cooperate with universities, companies and research institutions or hire people from China, Russia and other countries with an authoritarian regime. There's a list of 57 countries we won't (as in not allowed) cooperate with for research purposes. We are allowed to cooperate with them when it comes to teaching and educations of students, including exchange students. This does include over 170 universities in 55 countries. This is limited to universities only, no companies or governments involved.
Are you pretending CNN or any major news network is fact based? They all try to paint their own narrative of reality, which is never factual.
It has been viewed. No proof found.
Republicans want to believe in something no one can see. Even when asked. "Oh, it's out there". Where?
You're not making sense. You are talking about something that doesn't exist. Yes, people keep saying it does. Where is it? After several months, where is it? What proof? Why hasn't anyone actually seen it? If you have it, call Fox News. They won't be able to get you on air fast enough. You can't just call someone closed-minded because they want actual, verifiable proof. Republicans don't know what proof is, anymore.
You're going all over the place. You asked me to name something. Then call my words, "buzzwords", too complicated....
Now, if I don't think like you, I'm closed-minded. You could have just presented this "proof", instead of deflecting and coming up with excuses. Just prove it. Somebody. I'm out.
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So don't use TikTok. It's a free country.Let me present you what an actual researcher does (even though he's just a nerd) versus your "funny" (as a researcher that you claim to be) memes.
BTW I will eat my words and say sorry if you post a actual research document / data stating that TikTok is ok.
Use this link and then follow the data as it is presented. Find him and other people like him on Twitter/Blogs and etc to get the big picture.
Warning—Apple Suddenly Catches TikTok Secretly Spying On Millions Of iPhone Users
If you are a TikTok user, you should be worried—here's what you need to know.www.forbes.com
TikTok and 32 other iOS apps still snoop your sensitive clipboard data
Passwords, bitcoin addresses, and anything else in clipboards are free for the taking.arstechnica.com
And I can go on forever.
No one does anymore. Taking "sides" is nonsensical. It's naïve to believe that we aren't already in a multiplexed "Iraqi ministry of Information" tech dystopia.
Spoken as one lone 13 year old stands against popularity, fun and a monstrous network effect. funny
Posts like this always make me laugh. I'm guessing here and I could be wrong but the jobs going to China was the fault of America and nobody else.
If you went to court - and
Abraham Lincoln told stories, so I'll try it his way.
KW hands Rafterman a box.
Raferman says the box does not exist.
But KW keeps trying to hand a box to Rafterman.
What's the solution?
I'll say that Fox News is not the proof.
When building a case, there are layers of proof, starting with things that indicate something happened, to more detailed proof.
The place to start is the Senate Hearings conducted by the Senates in Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan, Georgia, Wisconsin. Those Senate Hearings have people testifying for over 40 hours of testimony. If you go to youtube channel, Right Side Broadcasting, you can search for the Senate Hearings in PA, AZ, WI, GA, MI, WI.
You can say, it does not exist. They were all lying. The courts looked at it, and debunked it all. In fairness, if the courts refused to bring in witnesses for cross examination, you can say Biden won, but you cannot say that the courts looked at the witness testimony.
This fact that no court was willing to bring in witnesses is what riles so many Republicans.
Ok. Now we go deeper into the proof.
We are now at the stage where audits -- conducted at the microscopic level of paper fibers - are presently being conducted in Maricopa County, Arizona. As of 10 June 2021, results should be available in 4 weeks time.
You can say -- it's made up. There's no proof.
The way things are headed, similar audits using this technology will be conducted in the other battle ground states. Already, Senators from the battleground states are visiting the Maricopa Audit to see how things are being done.
You can say - it's all nonsense.
But at some stage, some people will be willing to review the evidence that emerges.
And there will be others who say, "there is no evidence".
We will see how it plays out in the next 6 months.
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Everyone you say is couched in conditions. Show us the evidence or go away. We have no reason to listen to those who constantly cry wolf.
None of this is actual scientific research, none is peer reviewed and published. These don't even have the proper form of peer reviewed research. But as you link to Penetrum, their security analysis (which they were paid for btw), has one thing going, even though it's outdated as it's based on older versions. There is reverse engineering in there, so you can exactly see what data TikTok is collecting in the app. Anyone can use Ghidra for this: https://ghidra-sre.org
You've shown that you do not understand how science actually works by posting articles from journalists and quoting from wikipedia as "scientific". Let me help you a little, as you make the same mistake as the Trump-nutjobs who demand prove that no voting fraud happened on large scale that cost Trump the election, when the only correct way is to prove that it did happen (which they can't do).
In science you don't proof the nonexistence of invisible, pink elephants flying around your head if someone claims they exist. The person making such claims has to prove they exist. A person claiming god exists has to prove it. A person claiming a big turtle is carrying the universe has to proof the existence, not the other way around.
I could just as well claim that you're paid off by Trump to try to convince people on here that TikTok is bad. Then I demand you prove it. If you show me your recent financial transactions as proof and there's nothing on it, I claim he visited you and paid in cash... and we can go on and on about this. The only way this becomes true and a fact is if I can proof that you're paid off by Trump, not the other way around.
This is also true for TikTok, the proof has to be made that TikTok is collecting any data that is not in their TOS. In what world is "TikTok is ok" a scientific statement? What would the corresponding research question even look like? No scientist in the world would research if "TikTok is ok", whatever that even means.
However there are plenty of researchers around the globe trying to find evidence that TikTok is indeed collecting illegal data and sending it off to China. To date, there is no peer-reviewed publication of current TikTok that shows proof that what you claim is happening.
Sure, plenty on non-scientific articles out there claiming one thing or the other, such as this: https://www.businessinsider.com/tiktok-explainer-privacy-facebook-google-2020-7?r=DE&IR=T
Again, this is not scientific. However it links to a Twitter account of someone who also has a blog and keeps a very close eye on what TikTok is doing when it comes to data collection. Again, nothing illegal found there, only what TikTok is already explaining in their TOS. I'm pretty sure if anyone would find actual proof of something illegal happening, there would be a peer-reviewed publication right away. Until then, this is all paranoid nonsense without any proof to back it up. And again, one has to proof it's happening, not that it's not happening.
Search for the evidence that emerged from Antrim County, Michigan, regarding the machines. (Use duckduckgo or Bing. Don't use Google).
You can dismiss that.
I also suggest you search youbube, Right Side Broadcasting, for the Arizona Senate Hearing, and hear what Colonel Phil Waldron had to say and other witnesses. Ok, you can dismiss those, but we're talking about layers of proof. What was started in the Arizona Senate Hearings, there is now an ongoing audit in Maricopa County. It is likely to reveal more concrete proof.
Now, audits are being done in Maricopa County. The audit should be finished by the end of July 2021. If the same behavior is shown to have ocurred in Maricopa, AZ as was shown in Antrim MI, that's two dots.
More dots will follow. In the next 6 months, if similar audits are done in the other battleground states, there will be a body of evidence of what happened at the code level of software.
If you even dismiss that, the next few months are likely to see more such audits in the other battleground states.
The problem with Joe Manchin is that he was bought.
Sen. Joe Manchin, the West Virginia Democrat famous for his vow to maintain the Senate filibuster and thereby scuttle much of President Biden's agenda, recently published an op-ed opposing the For the People Act, Democrats' whopping voting-rights bill. That article strongly echoed talking points from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce — and appeared shortly after the influential pro-business lobby resumed donations to Manchin's campaign after nearly a decade.
There was initial evidence from the testing of machines from Antrim County, Michigan.
The audit happening right now in Maricopa County, Arizona, will yield further evidence.
The evidence is being presented to the people. It is their choice to see it, or ignore it.
The Senate Hearings in PA, AZ, MI, GA and WI could easily be dismissed because the testimony was mostly of ordinary people suspecting something they saw was wrong. But now these audits in Antrim MI and Maricopa AZ will be at the code level of the machines. Time will tell if the code level evidence correlates with the verbal testimony of the witnesses.
You said, "Show us the evidence or go away." Can you tell me what it takes to persuade people to view the Senate Hearings from PA, AZ, WI, GA, WI - and correlate that with the evidence from the foresic tests at Antrim County, MI - and then await the audit in Maricopa County, AZ. What does it take to persuade people to even look at this evidence?
The Arizona count is a joke. Done by Trump supporters, overseen by a compny with no experience and machines unsecured that will now have to be scrapped. A recount with a predetermined outcome, looking for manufactured evidence to back it. Several Arizona Repubicans have attacked the recount.
You can't manufacture dots, then claim we should follow them.
This is why I like to look at this as a scientist. If the test results show fraud at the level of the paper fibers, then do I believe the test results, or do I believe the assertions that it was by Trump supporters etc. There comes a time when a person looks at evidence -- or refuses to.
Testing it at the level of the paper fiber of the ballots will show if they were marked by pen, or printed fraudulently by a printer.
In the midst of partisan warfare, I encourage you to look at the presentation of factual information.
When one party presents information, look at it. Don't say "I refuse to see the information because the other side is biased". If you are to dismiss it, at least see it first before dismissing it.
Your comments about proof and peer review as though they are absolutes and stand outside any social system.
National interest is a political positioning, not a scientific one. You're notion of "proof" would have to assume some social standard, like a law, against which some judgement around proof could be applied by some legitimate authority post-hoc. There is no god that swoops down and delivers these verdicts.
Still, it's not as complicated as you make it out to be. China has political requirements of its tech firms that most would agree are not consistent with western social values and our values are not reciprocally applied in China for US firms (as evidenced by Google, Facebook etc... not generally being available in China). Whatever you think of those individual firms, it would be good to see this policy imbalance resolved in a way that didn't disadvantage the US.
This could end up being much more restrictive on Chinese technology as a whole than Trump's ban was. Now that there are no battle lines drawn over Trump's issues (e.g. whether China or Russia is a bigger threat), you'll see Biden doing things that would've seemed uncharacteristic of him months ago.