President Trump Signs Repeal of U.S. Broadband Privacy Rules

[shacky]

Only Congress passes LAWS! The FCC passes RULES! Please stop referring to this as a "law."

The mis-information on this issue is stunning The media really sold their narrative well on this. https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-phony-internet-privacy-panic-1491000504

 

[AppleFan360]

That's just it. This isn't really a Trump policy. It's a REPUBLICAN policy to sell out the middle and lower classes in favor of the top 1%. Trump can't sit still long enough to listen to a national security issue let alone some crap about "privacy" for the normal guy. The man didn't know whether he was a Democrat or a Republican for the past couple of decades because he didn't understand there was a difference seeing as he couldn't pay attention long enough to find out! They probably told him he was signing a piece of fan mail or something. Get rid of Trump and all you have left is PURE REPUBLICAN steal from the middle class and give to the RICH. That's ALL they care about.

What really amazes me is how they get the votes to become elected. They represent literally 1% of the nation (the ultra-rich). You cannot get elected with just that 1% of the vote. They get more votes by LYING to different groups of people, especially historically the religious people, who sadly are often mislead quite easily (hence the Bible talks of "sheep"). But how can ANYONE really believe these people are religious?

Jesus taught to love your fellow brothers, take care of them and give to the poor. If you really want to follow him, he taught to give everything you own to the poor.

Republicans teach to wipe out welfare, drop taxes for the rich and ship middle class jobs to a slave or sweatshop labor country so they can get richer!

WHAT FRACKING PART OF THAT DON'T SOME OF YOU COMPREHEND??? Is it the abortion issue? What Republican EVER got rid of that in the past half century? It's a smokescreen! They don't really care one way or the other as long as the gravy train keeps stopping at their houses (plural).

Change every law until laws are evil (in D&D this was called Lawful Evil). Republicans follow Goebbels' advice on propaganda (negative things repeated in the news are eventually believed to be true by the 'common' people). But even so, not all Republicans are fascists! But thanks to Trump, you've got the former KING of Breitbart (so-called "alt-right") News as Trump's right-hand man (and sadly he's not a moron like Trump is; he has a PLAN and let me clue you in. It's not about raising up minorities and poor people). However, unless the man suddenly decides to stick a swastika on his shoulder SOME people can't seem to figure out what "alt-right" is all about. It's like Clark Kent putting on his big glasses. Suddenly, he's not Superman! (face palm). It's just "alt-right" which sounds like "all right". THAT is what propaganda comes down to. People fall for slogans and labels all the time, particularly when they're negative against the other guy.

Maybe if some of you spent more time paying attention in history class instead of throwing paper wads you might have seen this coming. Perhaps when Putin's face is on Mt. Rushmore and Bannon gets some camps set up for all those he hates, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE it will finally dawn on you what's really happening. Then again, maybe not.

Well that was a silly rant and obviously you don't get conservative thinking at all. As a conservative myself there are two important things I firmly believe in:

First, to help your fellow man, you give them the fishing pole and not the fish. Help people get up off their ass and do their part for the society as a whole. When you simply give them things, they stop doing things for themselves. It's human nature.

Second, if you do want to give your money and your belongings to others, its not the governments responsibility to re-distribute wealth. Only YOU should take that responsibility. Having the government involved invites corruption.

These two things are the basis for conservative thinking. If you don't understand them, you might as well move to a socialist country. You will be happier there. But for god's sake, don't perpetuate a socialist agenda here. Real Americans don't want it or need it.

 

[samcraig]

Well that was a silly rant and obviously you don't get conservative thinking at all. As a conservative myself there are two important things I firmly believe in:

First, to help your fellow man, you give them the fishing pole and not the fish. Help people get up off their ass and do their part for the society as a whole. When you simply give them things, they stop doing things for themselves. It's human nature.

Second, if you do want to give your money and your belongings to others, its not the governments responsibility to re-distribute wealth. Only YOU should take that responsibility. Having the government involved invites corruption.

These two things are the basis for conservative thinking. If you don't understand them, you might as well move to a socialist country. You will be happier there. But for god's sake, don't perpetuate a socialist agenda here. Real Americans don't want it or need it.

Do you believe ISPs should be allowed to sell your personal information? It's a simple yes or no question and is actually the topic of the thread. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

 

[AppleFan360]

Do you believe ISPs should be allowed to sell your personal information? It's a simple yes or no question and is actually the topic of the thread. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

I could care less if my ISP sells my information. I have the choice to use them or not. Again, not the governments place to dictate how I vote with my dollars.

 

[daflake]

Do you believe ISPs should be allowed to sell your personal information? It's a simple yes or no question and is actually the topic of the thread. Everything else is smoke and mirrors.

Do you believe that grocery stores should be allowed? Guess what, they do if you have one of those shopper cards or a membership. They use that information for marketing. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that we should be protected, but it is a hard pill to swallow when we all give up our information to Google, Amazon, Apple and multitudes of other companies blindy but get pissed when an ISP could potentially do it.

 

[Fender2112]

Trump is going to feel funny when it's his privacy that gets sold. Or maybe not, he's an idiot.

 

[iapplelove]

I could care less if my ISP sells my information. I have the choice to use them or not. Again, not the governments place to dictate how I vote with my dollars.

I care, and do not feel it is right. I understand I have a choice to use them or not but I find it hard to believe that gives them the right to sell certain personal info.

They provide a service, and bill me monthly. Why the need to invade their customers privacy and profit even more?

 

[samcraig]

I could care less if my ISP sells my information. I have the choice to use them or not. Again, not the governments place to dictate how I vote with my dollars.

Thanks for your answer. Not everyone has a real viable choice. As for your last comment - any regulation of ISPs has no baring on what you buy or how you vote with your dollars. It's an added on comment irrelevant to the issue.

Do you believe that grocery stores should be allowed? Guess what, they do if you have one of those shopper cards or a membership. They use that information for marketing. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you that we should be protected, but it is a hard pill to swallow when we all give up our information to Google, Amazon, Apple and multitudes of other companies blindy but get pissed when an ISP could potentially do it.

I don't disagree with you - especially since most people click the "I accept" without reading what's inside those privacy statements. And actually - many are hard to parse anyway for the average person. The argument for some is that product companies are a choice while ISPs for many are not necessarily. Also - Each of those services has access for their platform, but it does not have the entirety of your activity online. So I do see a fundamental difference. BTW - Google, Apple, etc - those are "bit" players when it comes to personal data. You can at least opt out of that. But companies like Axciom? You can try and opt out - but you will never really not be tracked and profiled by them.

Personally, I am aware of what I put out there. But I also think we, as consumers, should be able to have some protection and the option to completely remove information we have out there if we no longer want to be part of a particular ecosystem.

 

[beanbaguk]

Unfortunately you 'other' political team guys are triggered on garbage hype issues like this without even bothering to understand them. The smart people want nothing to do with those who self-flagullate themselves anytime they hear the word 'trump'.

The media is largely with you, because the media is the lowest common denominator out for nothing but ratings and popularity. Both incredibly ******, totally corrupting motivators for actual knowledge. You need to do your own work, and stop parroting quickly ingested nonsense.

And now this hysteria has destroyed your credibility to address actual issues with Trump. Keep it up, pat yourselves on the back over the same inaccurate polls and crap media opinion pieces, and he'll just win another term.

I think the problem is he's so ridiculous, it just sound stupid in mainstream media.

But of course everything is "fake news" unless the Orangutan says so.
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Sure, because he's only a moron because that's what you're told he is. Mindless sheep don't have the foggiest idea what this new law is or what it repealed. They just blindly attack. Just like the doing away with a wasteful government program that happened to make a small donation to the privately funded, non-profit organization known as Meals on Wheels. "He's defunding Meals on Wheels !!!" and the sheep attacked. And none knew it's only a measly 3.3%. Other private organizations have upped the ante. Even that washed up 49ers quarterback donated $50,000 to the cause.

Not even close...



ISPs have other laws that protect you over what can and can't be sold.

They have come out in the past assuring us that they don't sell data. This law also appeals a law that has gone into effect yet. It's important to remember that. The appealed law had not been active.

There you are!

We're not "sheep" as you put it. I'd actually suggest the reverse, but I think before the debate even starts; Let's agreed to disagree with one another.

The point is, this guy is a HUGELY corrupt man who is only interested in his family's fortunes.

I accept you won't agree with me, but America WAS great before he stepped into power. In fairness, it's still a pretty great country now. He's just making it really great for himself and missed that from his slogan. I'm just grateful you have a legal system that is doing its best to keep the lunatic under control, but he's slowly closing his noose and doing everything he can to put more and more power into the hands of his family.

Whatever happens, Trump is going to walk out of the White House after his term set-up to be an incredibly rich man. Completely at the expense of the American people.

 

[AppleFan360]

Thanks for your answer. Not everyone has a real viable choice. As for your last comment - any regulation of ISPs has no baring on what you buy or how you vote with your dollars. It's an added on comment irrelevant to the issue.

Your are wrong. Not having a viable choice is not an excuse to have the government swoop in and create regulations. You don't NEED the internet in your life. If enough people don't buy an ISP's services because of privacy concerns, the ISP's will think twice about selling the information. That's how it should work. But of course, people around here think the government is the answer to everything.

 

[beanbaguk]

Your are wrong. Not having a viable choice is not an excuse to have the government swoop in and create regulations. You don't NEED the internet in your life. If enough people don't buy an ISP's services because of privacy concerns, the ISP's will think twice about selling the information. That's how it should work. But of course, people around here think the government is the answer to everything.

That's total nonsense. Internet is now considered a home utility, and therefore an essential item. Can I ask how you even commented on this forum?

The internet IS an essential life item. You don't need it like you don't need electricity. I suggest you try running a successful business without the internet...

 

[AppleFan360]

That's total nonsense. Internet is now considered a home utility, and therefore an essential item. Can I ask how you even commented on this forum?

The internet IS an essential life item. You don't need it like you don't need electricity. I suggest you try running a successful business without the internet...

That fact that the internet is now considered a home utility is YOUR opinion. Guess what, the internet is NOT an essential life item. There are many people in the world who don't have it and still survive. If I had privacy concerns, I sure as hell wouldn't be here. If you have privacy concerns why are you here? The government can regulate all they want, there will always be privacy issues on the internet no matter what.

 

[samcraig]

That fact that the internet is now considered a home utility is YOUR opinion. Guess what, the internet is NOT an essential life item. There are many people in the world who don't have it and still survive. If I had privacy concerns, I sure as hell wouldn't be here. If you have privacy concerns why are you here? The government can regulate all they want, there will always be privacy issues on the internet no matter what.

So to take this to a different level - what about warranties and other consumer protections? Maybe the government shouldn't regulate drugs, guns and alcohol? Heck - why bother with HIPAA?

You don't want protection - fine. I think you're in the minority.

 

[MrWillie]

There you are!

We're not "sheep" as you put it. I'd actually suggest the reverse, but I think before the debate even starts; Let's agreed to disagree with one another.

The point is, this guy is a HUGELY corrupt man who is only interested in his family's fortunes.

I accept you won't agree with me, but America WAS great before he stepped into power. In fairness, it's still a pretty great country now. He's just making it really great for himself and missed that from his slogan. I'm just grateful you have a legal system that is doing its best to keep the lunatic under control, but he's slowly closing his noose and doing everything he can to put more and more power into the hands of his family.

Whatever happens, Trump is going to walk out of the White House after his term set-up to be an incredibly rich man. Completely at the expense of the American people.

You statement that he's hugely corrupt is based on what ???

You do understand he's already incredibly rich, right ? What do you base that statement on ?

Oh, yea he grabbed a woman's tits 20 years ago. He propositioned a sex worker. Hey I've propositioned a sex worker once too. It was for a hell of a lot less than $10,000.

He had pay disputes with workers, guess what, my company contracts me out. There's pay disputes.

Trump U ? Yea. That was a little off. But the man did try and give people their money back, but it wasn't good enough. Lock him up.

So, what is the deal. Looking for actual facts. Hey it took less than 5 minutes to find out the truth about this story. Dig it up.

 

[AppleFan360]

Maybe the government shouldn't regulate drugs, guns and alcohol? Heck - why bother with HIPAA?

Even with government regulation, we still have issues with all the things you mention. I rest my case.

 

[MrWillie]

So to take this to a different level - what about warranties and other consumer protections? Maybe the government shouldn't regulate drugs, guns and alcohol? Heck - why bother with HIPAA?

You don't want protection - fine. I think you're in the minority.

You do understand we already have protections, right ? You do understand that this Obama ruling was influenced by a Google board member right ? You do understand the Barry's ruling wasn't in effect yet right ?

Why weren't you screaming for protection 10 years ago, or even six months ago ?

Take five minutes and do a little digging, I know you won't, but it would do you some good.

 

[samcraig]

Even with government regulation, we still have issues with all the things you mention. I rest my case.

You rest what case? If there were no regulation it would be worse, no?
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You do understand we already have protections, right ? You do understand that this Obama ruling was influenced by a Google board member right ? You do understand the Barry's ruling wasn't in effect yet right ?

Why weren't you screaming for protection 10 years ago, or even six months ago ?

Take five minutes and do a little digging, I know you won't, but it would do you some good.

A) who says I wasn't advocating 6 months ago? B) Follow your own advice and read the full thread and you'll see I already commented on why you can't compare 10 years ago to today. C) follow the actual conversation flow so things are in context when you reply to them.

 

[beanbaguk]

That fact that the internet is now considered a home utility is YOUR opinion. Guess what, the internet is NOT an essential life item. There are many people in the world who don't have it and still survive. If I had privacy concerns, I sure as hell wouldn't be here. If you have privacy concerns why are you here? The government can regulate all they want, there will always be privacy issues on the internet no matter what.

That's such a naive comment in so many ways....
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You statement that he's hugely corrupt is based on what ???

You do understand he's already incredibly rich, right ? What do you base that statement on ?

Oh, yea he grabbed a woman's tits 20 years ago. He propositioned a sex worker. Hey I've propositioned a sex worker once too. It was for a hell of a lot less than $10,000.

He had pay disputes with workers, guess what, my company contracts me out. There's pay disputes.

Trump U ? Yea. That was a little off. But the man did try and give people their money back, but it wasn't good enough. Lock him up.

So, what is the deal. Looking for actual facts. Hey it took less than 5 minutes to find out the truth about this story. Dig it up.

I am making the presumption you are a Trump supporter so whatever I find will obviously be "fake news", however let's start with the Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...sedly-the-corrupt-one/?utm_term=.051d5d22757e

Do you need more sources? Breitbart news isn't going to be one of them.

 

[MrX8503]

And it was all done without Obama's Power Grab Privacy Law

Because Verizon is a carrier. Title II, which is being repealed, was to include Comcast, Time Warner, etc under the same regulations. With that gone, Comcast can track users just as Verizon did without punishment.

Selling ad space and selling personal data/profiles/usage are two different things. Now, how targeted are those ads, that's my issue. If an ISP states that they don't sell your information, they can't, that's current law. See Verizon above.

Targeted ads, whatever. It doesn't change the fact that ISPs want to sell targeted ads just like Google and Facebook. The law applied to Verizon no longer applies to Comcast because Title II has been repealed.

I don't use Google services either, but there is this nasty invasion thing called Add Sense, and its all over the web. Everywhere.

Every ISP can see every single site that you visit. So can uncle Obama. Your ISP has 10 million subscribers, 3.5 million of them are looking at porn, and believe me, there's probably a million others along with you looking at hairy women (or men). Somebody is not sitting there watching you.*

*unless you set off a trigger...

What does this have to do with you stating Facebook/Google getting more power? I refuted your misleading comment because you can't quit ISPs, whereas you can quit Facebook/Google.

I could care less if my ISP sells my information. I have the choice to use them or not. Again, not the governments place to dictate how I vote with my dollars.

How many ISPs do you have access to? Because if it's not at least 6, you're not voting with your wallet.

You don't NEED the internet in your life. If enough people don't buy an ISP's services because of privacy concerns, the ISP's will think twice about selling the information. That's how it should work. But of course, people around here think the government is the answer to everything.

The UN would disagree.
https://www.wired.com/2011/06/internet-a-human-right/

You don't need freedom of speech to live, but it is a human right. A human right doesn't equal something you need to physically survive.

 

[AppleInLVX]

Do you feel like the boss?

Do you think the People feel like the boss?

No, and no. But they are. It's complex. See, I don't feel like the boss in such situations because there's an overarching belief that only one person cannot make any kind of difference. It's a drop in the ocean. Now, I'm speaking only for myself here, but I can't be alone. One person trying to make a difference is a hard run, especially in light of all the bad stuff that happens whether one wants it to or not. But *people*, together in like mind really don't have to feel like that. While it isn't possible in the short run to prevent things like repealing NN, the last time I checked, America was still a democratic nation, which means that come ANY time where people actually do get a say in elections of any sort, you better believe they should feel like the boss. The real problem is getting large groups to move in the same direction (or in the case of the last election, to even come out and exercise their rights). My hope from my first comment was that if the current administration continues down this path of pissing off enough people, that's the very thing that works to move people in the same direction. Then the lines don't divide as much along party boundaries but rather along human ones. People in general are hedonists--we like to avoid pain. If enough people decide they are in enough pain, you bet that'll create a boss that will change things. The only way that won't happen is if the whole thing tips toward a dictatorship. At this point, nothing would surprise me, but I like to think that no matter where you hang your hat politically, MOST Americans still think that democracy is the system to keep. As long as that's in place, and this regime keeps doing what it's doing, they are surely and truly doomed. It just can't come soon enough is all. I hate that change moves so slowly.

 

[AppleFan360]

That's such a naive comment in so many ways....

Well I'm glad you cleared that up. Just goes to show your intelligence overshadows your common sense.

 

[Dave00]

Your are wrong. Not having a viable choice is not an excuse to have the government swoop in and create regulations. You don't NEED the internet in your life. If enough people don't buy an ISP's services because of privacy concerns, the ISP's will think twice about selling the information. That's how it should work. But of course, people around here think the government is the answer to everything.

Let me spell it out for you. Your ISP now has the right to track you and what you do online. You apply for a job. Your potential employer asks your ISP for your browsing information - what sort of web sites you visit, how much time you spend there, etc. They find out that AppleFan360 likes to visit conservative web sites, some of which espouse views not congruent with the company. Oh, and when your niece was over, she browsed a social networking site for teen girls. Now it looks like you're a creep, too. Good luck getting that job.

And many people live in areas where the ISP is a monopoly, so no, it's not a question of choosing a provider with a better privacy policy. Although it may be true that, being against government regulation, you also don't think companies should have to disclose to you their privacy policies and how they use your information.

 

[mozumder]

Poor, but not bankrupt, vs "rich" but will go bankrupt because of dependency on the Feds.

Are you an economist? What makes you think California is going to go bankrupt and not be able to pay its debts like Kansas can't?

Face it: no one wants to have a garbage economy like Kansas. Everyone wants to be like California, one of the strongest economies in history, with no signs of slowing down anytime in the future, not even theoretically.

Also, not sure why you think being bankrupt now is better than being bankrupt later?

IF you bankrupt yourself now, you are guaranteed to be poor.

You are not guaranteed to be poor if you don't go bankrupt now.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Well that was a silly rant and obviously you don't get conservative thinking at all. As a conservative myself there are two important things I firmly believe in:

First, to help your fellow man, you give them the fishing pole and not the fish. Help people get up off their ass and do their part for the society as a whole. When you simply give them things, they stop doing things for themselves. It's human nature.

Second, if you do want to give your money and your belongings to others, its not the governments responsibility to re-distribute wealth. Only YOU should take that responsibility. Having the government involved invites corruption.

These two things are the basis for conservative thinking. If you don't understand them, you might as well move to a socialist country. You will be happier there. But for god's sake, don't perpetuate a socialist agenda here. Real Americans don't want it or need it.

So let me ask you this. What does giving tax breaks that mostly benefit the top 1% have to do with a single damn thing you said above?

The answer is obviously NOTHING. It's the rich making themselves richer at the expense of the poor, not giving people a "FISHING POLE". Your party wants to eliminate all programs that help people get re-training to find a new job after your party's people ships those jobs overseas to sweatshop labor so they can make more profits. How is that giving them a fishing pole??? It's taking the fish away and calling them a lazy bum to boot!

The problem with "conservative" theory is that it's not what's actually practiced. Your Republican heroes are literally nothing more than THIEVES in practice. They do NONE of the things you claim they should do. They simply give tax breaks to the highest echelons of society that don't even REMOTELY NEED one. In short, you are doing nothing but LYING to yourself if you believe that's what Republicans believe in and practice. They do nothing of the sort. They claim to be against abortion to get religious votes and give them NOTHING in return. It's one of the reasons Obama was elected. I'm not saying the Democrats are great (much of what the right says about them is true), but between the 1% and the bottom is a MIDDLE CLASS that's being ignored by BOTH parties! It's why Trump got elected but I haven't seen him do a single damn thing for us except get rid of that Pacific Trade agreement. I see him surrounding himself with BILLIONAIRES and MILLIONAIRES who can't wait to make themselves even richer.

Republicans took a surplus from the Clinton era and created massive new debt. They started a war based on NONSENSE so Dick Cheney and his buddies could make tons of money off stock in Halliburton with no-bid contracts (at the expense of human lives). The new "Republican health care plan" they just tried to sell us took the benefits from the poor and gave them to the extreme rich instead and they call that an "improvement". You talk about wealth redistribution, but Gerry-mandering districts to take away people's votes and changing laws to give the benefits to the rich instead of the poor is NOT wealth redistribution???? BULLCRAP. It absolute IS wealth redistribution (giving all the wealth to 1%). What good is that wealth doing sitting in the hands of a few? NONE. Your Conservative Theory is house of cards.

Your chosen party is based on nothing but LIES AND BULLCRAP so they can keep the "peasants" in their place like in the Middle Ages and if there is a "good" God, you will answer for it in the end.

 

[MrX8503]

So let me ask you this. What does giving tax breaks that mostly benefit the top 1% have to do with a single damn thing you said above?

The answer is obviously NOTHING. It's the rich making themselves richer at the expense of the poor, not giving people a "FISHING POLE". Your party wants to eliminate all programs that help people get re-training to find a new job after your party's people ships those jobs overseas to sweatshop labor so they can make more profits. How is that giving them a fishing pole??? It's taking the fish away and calling them a lazy bum to boot!

The problem with "conservative" theory is that it's not what's actually practiced. Your Republican heroes are literally nothing more than THIEVES in practice. They do NONE of the things you claim they should do. They simply give tax breaks to the highest echelons of society that don't even REMOTELY NEED one. In short, you are doing nothing but LYING to yourself if you believe that's what Republicans believe in and practice. They do nothing of the sort. They claim to be against abortion to get religious votes and give them NOTHING in return. It's one of the reasons Obama was elected. I'm not saying the Democrats are great (much of what the right says about them is true), but between the 1% and the bottom is a MIDDLE CLASS that's being ignored by BOTH parties! It's why Trump got elected but I haven't seen him do a single damn thing for us except get rid of that Pacific Trade agreement. I see him surrounding himself with BILLIONAIRES and MILLIONAIRES who can't wait to make themselves even richer.

Republicans took a surplus from the Clinton era and created massive new debt. They started a war based on NONSENSE so Dick Cheney and his buddies could make tons of money off stock in Halliburton with no-bid contracts (at the expense of human lives). The new "Republican health care plan" they just tried to sell us took the benefits from the poor and gave them to the extreme rich instead and they call that an "improvement". You talk about wealth redistribution, but Gerry-mandering districts to take away people's votes and changing laws to give the benefits to the rich instead of the poor is NOT wealth redistribution???? BULLCRAP. It absolute IS wealth redistribution (giving all the wealth to 1%). What good is that wealth doing sitting in the hands of a few? NONE. Your Conservative Theory is house of cards.

Your chosen party is based on nothing but LIES AND BULLCRAP so they can keep the "peasants" in their place like in the Middle Ages and if there is a "good" God, you will answer for it in the end.

Conservatives hate hate hate poor people. Helping poor people is considered a "handout" and they've done a good job convincing the American people of that.

The truth is if you're not in the 1%, Republicans don't care about you.