Wouldn't surprise me if someone has evidence of a new case/schematic and it turns out to be a redesigned Mac Mini, misconstrued as a New Apple TV 5.......
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Production of Faster Apple TV 5 Rumored to Begin in Early 2016
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This is absolutely no doubt to catch up w/ their competitors. Right now, they fall behind the Fire TV, Roku, Shield and pretty much everything. They will assuredly promote 4k, as if it is something special, which it isn't, b/c they are last to adopt it. What a shame. Apple once again is lagging behind. Having said that, I might buy one, provided they have Plex by then, which is 50-50
I don't know why apple waited so long to update the apple tv. It's been 3 years since the last apple tv was released. way too long.
I honestly can't tell you just how wrong you are. Apple wishes it is the way you describe. NOTHING is locked down the way Apple/You wish it was and absolutely NOTHING is imppossible. There is not a thing apple or itunes provides that isn't readily available to anyone with half a brain. Dream on buddy.
Might be wasted but its the path I went down, nobody told me this is where it would go but thats where my collection exists and thus I am locked to the apple system and devices as a result which until Apple TV 4 worked just fine for me. Oh well as I said I can either go back to my ATV3 or just start playing new movies from disks again -- prices are often not much of a difference other than having to store the disks and such..
I cannot afford to start over and go on a different path now. Its where some of us are at oh well.
And if I am screwed and being forced to the cloud/itunes by apple then I am done with them and will just go back to disks I have a nice blue ray player and TV/Stereo entertainment system. The apple TV was just a nice feature to save storing tons of disks -- prices were about same for getting my disks nearby at discount stores, just a bit sooner and and such. I am not really interested in the apple music service either. I had a ton of music from old days that I did rip from my own CDs I bought and the doubled my collection with digital material in past few years just from itunes. It was the simple path for me with just a apple system and no other way to do, copy and make digital music for me. It just worked. But I seem to note that apple is going in different way. And if so then back to disks for me... I am not going to start some other system now... not worth the time, money or my interest I have other things I would rather do than run a new movie and music system like some of you have done.
I get it, and I'm not saying it's your fault. These limitations aren't the sort of thing Apple brags about when marketing their video content.
I don't know why people like you are so thick that you're unable to comprehend what is meant by these things. Nobodies eyes need to evolve to see the differences in resolutions and color quality. You're referencing optimal viewing distance to notice *the most* differences in them, not the *only* differences in them. It doesn't say that you can sit only precisely X feet away from a set to get the benefits; any closer or further away and suddenly the enhancements disappear like a magic spell was cast upon the TV set. That's just absurd and downright stupid. Nowhere does it say that. Not ever, nor will it ever. They just become less apparent as you move further away, and at a slow pace at that.
It's just like the THX recommended placement for speakers. If I put them wherever they fit, and not adjust the levels - I'll still have surround sound. It will still be 7.1, it'll still be Dolby or DTS, it'll still sound better than stereo and noticeably so. Just because the right rear speaker is 9 inches from my right ear and I haven't lowered the volume level to compensate won't change that... It'll just be louder to me than the left rear. Oh no! It won't be the perfect setup! How dare I bother watching movies with my receiver on since I won't get the full effect! I better unplug it and listen to the stereo down mix.
Nope it is not just the path I am on and unfortunately that may be ending ;-) I appreciate the help with this and letting me know that I am locked in this and likely screwed. Oh well live and learn. I probably get maybe half dozen or so new movies a year that inerest me and them maybe 2-3 for grandkids. So my disk collection will not grow large if I end up back on that path. It sure is not the end of the world by any means LOL
It's easier to torrent a movie than to attempt to crack a DRM'd copy. Hell, most movies are available on DVD or BD for a few bucks these days, and those can be readily ripped free of DRM.
The chart I posted included both "optimal" viewing distances as well as the distances at which you "begin" to notice any difference at all.
No... It didn't. As I already replied to you on your behold misinterpreted science post - it references seeing the *full* benefits. Meaning there are benefits outside of that viewing range. There is no science to his other boxes, he admits as such. He took the recommended best case scenarios and put them in a chart, and shaded the areas in between as "noticeable". But there is a calculator at the bottom. Which calculated the distance to see *all* available details... Meaning there are other details available to the eye outside those ranges...
It also completely contradicts your secondary argument - that HDR is also useless... Since his recommendation is to look specifically for it in a set; and that it's something that actually adds more perceivable quality than resolution. The article you linked to there, the one someone said was outdated... Well, he said that, because it is. The ITU and CEA standardized HDR in different forms of Rec2020. The entire premise of the article was that it wasn't standardized and each company had their own HDR implementation... So it was accurate at one point, but now it's been standardized and the article instantly is outdated regardless of age.
You should not have to change anything. The Wifi is stronger on the ATV 4 so I am not sure what your problem is. You could try to make sure the router is more central in your dwelling. But the ATV4 has a signal meter under GENERAL so you can see what you are getting.
So Apple TV is finally getting a custom A chip. They had to do this if they want to compete in the console market. PS4 and Xbox One uses an AMD APU which means that this custom A chip has to exceed in graphics performance and deliver 4K resolution.
A person typically holds a smart phone 6-15 inches from their face. That is a LOT closer than say 10 feet from a 32" TV, relative to screen size? 4K on a 27" monitor is plenty visible at an average sitting distance at a desk of 1-2 feet. Now move back to 20 feet and tell me you can even read the damn text on a web page on that monitor. THAT is what is meant by distance vs. resolution. The farther away you get from something, the harder it is to resolve small details. Get far enough away and you can't even see the object. I'm sure the sales people LOVE it when people THINK they can tell the difference. It's a good way to make sales on a $2000 set vs. the same sized set at $500. Now if you want to sit 4 feet from a 50" set, 4K is absolutely worth it. Sit 15 feet away and you might as well get a 720P set.
That reminds me of the golden ear audiophiles who claimed to hear a difference when they coated the outer edge of a CD with a green marker pen that cost $20. It was exactly the same as a marker that cost 50 cents, of course and there is no scientific theory why coating the edge of a CD would affect anything in the middle of it, but hey, it was advertised in Stereophile magazine so it MUST be true! Ah, the placebo effect. It turns sugar pills into cancer cures!
Try a Google search of snake oil and audio some time. It's eye opening how many results pop up. 4K video isn't snake oil, but they are selling something that isn't delivering at typical viewing distances. Now I'm not saying things like color can't be improved and noticed at a distance, but it's a waste of money throwing thousands at 4K where 1080P would do just as well in a given room.
I only bought a 720P Plasma for my living room as the seating location didn't justify 1080P, but plasma offered real benefits over LCD for motion and what not. Well done 480P looks pretty sharp at 12 feet on a 48" set. 720P is noticeably improved, but it looks about as sharp as I could expect (and according to the charts, it IS as sharp as I could possibly see for that screen size and distance). Going to my 93" screen with my original 720P project, it looked pretty awesome for sheer size, but it's clearly nowhere near as sharp looking at 12 feet as the 48" Plasma. Bump it to 1080P and it's nearly as sharp over the same area of vision relative to the distance, but takes a lot more peripheral vision. Go to 4K and it looks just as sharp (and the screen size could go larger still before it started to look blurrier again since that distance is not even in the middle of the 4K curve). Now if you have 20/10 vision instead of 20/20, you could see more detail a bit further out. The charts are made for 20/20 vision. This is why some can read further down on the Snell eye vision charts at the eye doctor office.
OMG! BuffaloTF? THE BuffaloTF!??!? OMG, I'm SO sorry! I didn't know it was you, the creator of all things and master of the Universe! I'll shut up now!
Yeah, I don't understand a damn thing as you've so obviously proven by quoting...yourself.
Some articles for others that aren't BuffaloTF (since he already knows it all) to check out to learn more:
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.465.874&rep=rep1&type=pdf (Limits of Human Vision PDF)
http://www.red.com/learn/red-101/eyesight-4k-resolution-viewing (4K Viewing)
http://carltonbale.com/does-4k-resolution-matter/ (4K Viewing)
http://pocketnow.com/2012/12/12/how-important-are-ppi (smart phone HD related)
Demonstration of details you can try at home: http://stokes.byu.edu/teaching_resources/resolve.html
On the other hand, the more people that buy small 4K sets and demand 4K content, the sooner and better off those of us who want really big screen 4K to come down in price and take off, etc. will be.....Hmmmm. Hey, forget what I said above and go buy lots and lots and LOTS of those 50" 4k sets and the new Blu-Rays when they come out! DEMAND 4K content!
LOL
Learn to read a chart...
Learn to read English:
I quote, emphasis mine: "Based on the resolving ability of the human eye, it is possible to ESTIMATE when 4k resolution will become apparent."
"Using the Home Theater Calculator spreadsheet as a base, **I** created..."
So, as I was saying. It is not science. He *estimated* the numbers, by using the recommended viewing distances to see the *full* benefits of a particular set - again, not the only benefits - from a non-scientific source, graphed it, then shaded in a box in the areas in between the lines.
So you see, I did read. You did not. You looked at a graph and misinterpreted it. You also failed to read the link at the bottom of your own that totally disproves the entire thing... Keep up the good work, you've made this easy.
http://www.homecinemaguru.com/can-we-see-4kuhd-on-a-normal-sized-screen-you-betcha/
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First, you don't know what you talking about other than jibber-jabber. You need to put comparative in-depth study of features and than say why one is better than other. So, this proves you didn't use AppleTV in your life including may be other streaming devices.
I didn't say you were the only one, I am saying it is a fault. The majority of users are not experiencing this fault. You have purchased a product which has a fault. Contact the vendor for a refund or replacement. For every user complaining on a forum, there are a thousand in the real world with zero issues.
The Apple TV already has plex. Can you state in what ways the new Apple TV is 'behind' the other devices you mention..? And Apple will promote 4K (or possibly 5-8k) and high frame rate streaming when they have perfected a way of streaming that to their customers. At the moment there is VERY little 4K content available for streaming, and with the compression used its not 'real' 4K anyway.
So searching is exactly the same as on my Xbox and PS4 then, letter by letter. Soon there will be a new remote app, and pairing with BT keyboards, rendering this complaint moot. Personally, if text input/searching is required I prefer to AirPlay from my iPad - especially the YouTube app. Something I cannot do with any of the other devices available. I actually prefer the new text input to the old grid keyboard, once you get the hang, it's much quicker.